Quantitative Airstone Test. an end to the hype

legallyflying

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OK peeps.So in an effort to finally find out the difference between all the different air stones on the market and everyone's personal preference I decided to borrow the extremely expensive DO meter from work and put 7 different air stones to the test.

THE STONES
OK we have an assemblage of the common airstones.
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we have the following:
4" round bubble disc. This is a flat disc with a grey sintered stone. the airlline attaches to the side and it stays on the bottom. they run about $8 online.

6" blue airstone..these are the common cheap airstones that are available everywhere. they are dirt cheap around $1. They are made out of fragile blue stone that is known to disintegrate and fall apart after about 6 moths.



micro diffuser. These are insanely expensive I have the smallest one at it cost me $20 online. theya re made from a very high quality material that is very hard and has very tight pores. The tight pores make llots of tiny tiny bubbles. They also creat a lot of back pressure on your pump which means it works harder and less air passes through the stone. These things would likely last forever. The hype is that the extremely small bubbles infuse more air into solution.

4" blue airstone- smaller version of the common 6" blue airstone detailed above.

2" round cylinder airstone, I dig these things, they have a ton of surface area, they are tough (tougher than the blue airstones, they are heavy, and they pass a shit load of air.

2-6" blue airstones on a single hose, pretty self explanatory. some people run two stones in one bucket. wanted to see if there is something to that.

4' bubble hose. these are super cheaply made hoses with tiny holes in them that diffuse the air. I hate this thing, mostly because of the two I bought, one had inets on both ends. and the other one had an inlet so narrow that I had to use a pipe cleaner to actually clamp on the airhose. ANNOYING.

THE TEST

Pretty simple. I had 6 4 gallon buckets and one five gallon bucket all filled with equal amounts of water. All the stones are driven by a large, 110 L/min commerical air pump. Its a big bad ass pump. The hoses are connected to a 12 outlet splitter. All but two of the 12 outlets had air stones on them. I opened the empty ones just a little bit as to simulate a "normal" pump.

I ran the stones for about 10 minutes, then shut them all off, and then measured the DO levels. I then added an equal amount of hot water to each bucket to test at a higher temperature, then did it all over again to test it at an even higher temperature.

A word about the DO meter. Although it is a high sensitive device and it was calibrated, much like a ppm meter, it is prone to drift around a little bit. I did my best to let it settle down and take the correct measurement.

I measured DO content at the following temperatures.. 67.5, 77, and 82.5 degrees F.

RESULTS
Like a proper geek, I put the results in a excel spreadsheet and made a chart..just easier in the end. All results are in ml/L

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Here are some pictures of the stones "in action"
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Discussion
So as you can see, there is barely a difference between measured DO levels between the different stones. There was a slight difference between them but we are talking about tenths of a ml. There were a couple stand outs, and losers. The 4" blue stone did score the lowest at every temperature. Also, somewhat surprisingly the dual 6" blue airstones actually performed WORSE than the single 6" blue stone.

Also of note was the "super mega micro diffuser" the gold standard of airstone..I mean, its got micro fucking bubblles man! ..scored middle of the pack. Going to pass on more of those.

The 4' bubble line or whatever, despite the fact that it tested well, I'm somewhat leary of the results. I filled that bucket after the first round of testing so the water may have been a little colder. looking at how much air it was moving, I thought to myself that there is no way the readings were correct. Plus, it is a cheaply made piece of shit that the air hose doesn't even fit on without tying it on..

Some other factors to think about..

The 6" blue stone and the 2" round stone moved much more water than all the other stones, it was visibly more. I mean the water was just boiling. The lowest water movement came from the bubble hose and the micro diffuser.

I am using a pretty strong pump, a really strong pump really. The commercial pumps are pretty awesome and if you have a couple of reservoirs or buckets, they are wellworth it. I think that 110 cost me $80 online. That's a 1/4ounce of bud people...just spend the money. My point being that the airstones may perform different with lower airflows. But if you can get the same results by saving shit tons of money on the actual air stones..it may be worth it to buy a proper airpump.

CONCLUSION

If you look at the results, you can see the single biggest factor is actually the temperature of the water. Which is not a huge surprise as warmer water holds less air in solution. If you have individual buckets, insulation is probably the best bet. I have a central reservoir (ebb/flow controller) so I can empty the buckets every couple hours and chill the water for 15 minutes using a dehumidifier coil and pump it back into the buckets.

What am I going to do for airstones? Well its pretty obvious to me is the cheap old standby..the 6" blue airstones. They are a buck a piece so when your done with a cycle, you can simply pitch them and buy new ones. For me that means $16 every 3 months as opposed to $320 for 16 of the micro diffusers.

The 2" round stones are also a favorite of mine. They scored well and they moved allot of air and water. They are much more durable than the blue stones. They do clog up after 2 months in organic nutes, but I dunked them in strong bleach water and they came right back to life. I am not going to use 2 airstones like I previous thought of as they moved less air and water than a single stone. Why? likely due to reduced pressure.

I'm actually going to sell the diffuser on e-bay. It is simply not worth the money I paid for it.

I hope you found the test informative and helpful. I was actually pretty surprised at how even the scores were. Seems like everyone always hemms and haws over which air stone to use when in actuality, it doesn't matter a how lot.

Cheers and happy growing.
 

Mauler57

Active Member
Always good to see a comparisons and reports on anything that will save me $$$ and optimize my grow conditions. REP+ my friend
 

SHABOOGY1

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Thanks a ton for taking the time out to run the test on the bubblers... I was considering upgrading to diffusers but now i see i can use the money for a stronger pump and continue with the 2" rounds... I hate spending money on hype... Again,,, THANKS!!!
 

EvlMunkee

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Good idea.:clap:
I have used most of them and I eventually settled on the 2" x 4" stone. You are right ..they are very sturdy and will last quite a few grows.
Appreciate your efforts! :peace:

rep for ya
 

medicine21

Active Member
Great, work!!! +rep There is something to be said about the size of the bubbles though. I remember reading user "fatman" thread, who has also done extensive testing on this topic over at thcfarmer and the size of bubbles matters. As far as I remember he said that smaller bubbles are good because the DO in them is easier taken in by the roots and the bigger bubbles are better because they spread the roots thus allowing more root surface area to be exposed to DO. I think there was also some discussion about the challenge of using the DO meter and constant calibrations would be required as well as water needed to be running past it, i.e. in a current, but I can't recall the details.

Since your pump is so powerful and the results so close together, the conclusion that I draw from your results is that the airpump power is much more important for DO levels than the airstone. Do you have a small airpump you can run this test on?
 

legallyflying

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medicine, my thoughts on the little bubbles. While given the same volume of air, more smaller bubbles would have more surface area for gas exchange, the micro pore diffuser is soo tight that it is actually restricting lots of airflow. The down side of this is that the pumps will draw mor amps, become hotter, and in theory, wear out faster. How the air interacts with the plant roots is a good point but once that I don't have many theories on.

One important thing is that we are measuring dissolved oxygen, that is oxygen in solution, not bubbles. Plants should be able to take up oxygen that is not in sollution..as that is how the do it in soil, but experience has sown they they don't NEED to in DWC as dissolved O levels have been shown to be accurate. My big theory is that given the amount of air that is being pumped in, all the containers were approaching the maximum DO levels at a given temperature. That is why the bars are so even given each temperature test. The actual differences could be do to meter calibration and the flowing water requirement but I did calibrate before each temperature run, swirled the meter when taking measurements, and took several measurements in each bucket. The results or numbers that I put in the chart represented the overall trend for each stone as even though the measurements floated around a little (by about .2), there was a difference in them. I'll googe disolved oxygen maximums given temperature a little later. I am essentially at sea level here.
 

BendBrewer

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Saw this in the Tea Thread and still love it. Wish you had a 4" cylinder stone like the 2" ones you like as that is what I use.

But great work and write up!

Cheers.
 

tip top toker

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Still reading but my very first thought is that unless they are tested on separate pumps and not connected to one on a slitter, then the results are not accurate surely. Unless all of the stones used create the exact same pressure power requirement thing on the pump. That is to say i have 2 stones, 1 has large holes and will allow lots of air out, another is rather the opposit, when connected to the same pump via a plitter the latter stones becomes nearly useless as all the air simply opts for the easier route out being the former stone.

still reading though and kudos for the experiment none the less.

Personally i've always called bullshit on the statemeents of must be frothing, as amny bubbles as possbile. Most of my airstones are a year odd old and are blocked up to no end, barely a handful of bubbles escape, my plants grow just as they do when the stones were brand new.

http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=24l8unq&s=7
That's me best stone in action in a 40L res :D
 

legallyflying

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ok,so I checked out DO maximums at a given temps ....http://www.dnr.mo.gov/env/esp/wqm/DOSaturationTable.htm

There is no elevation given for those rates but in general, they track exactly with my measured results...

67 degrees...9.26 ml/l
77 degrees...8.24 ml/l
83 degrees...7.81 ml/l

So again, big stones, little stones, big or little bubbles.. we were able to achieve maximum do rates with a $1 stone and a good pump. I would venture that a higher o flow rates in the cheaper stones and resulting increased flow and "turnover" in the water would be more beneficial than simply having more smaller bubbles. The reason being that the moving water cold indeed "push" around the roots and recharge o2 rates adjacent to the roots. As plants mature and the root ball becomes tighter, this would make a greater difference.

But at some point we are splitting hairs though. Many growers would do better to limit bacteria growth in warm solutions that absorb oxygen. Or better yet, focus their energy on keeping room temps and humidity in check. Take away, buy a big pump, a big box of cheap stones and "set it and forget it".

BTW, for those that don't know, you can check how your airstone is flowting simply by putting your hand on the bucket. the difference between properly flowing, clogged, and hose came off can easily be felt by the frequency and intensity of the vibrations.
 

legallyflying

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tip top. yes, good point about the splitter and different pressures and flow rates affecting the results. HOWEVER, this is exactly the way that anyone that has a commercial pump uses them so in effect, your point is moot. I am testing real world results, not the DO rates given a specific air flow and pressure rate. I wanted to provide info for all, but mostly for those with larger set ups and commercial pumps.

oh yeah man, the oxyponic system..forgot about those. They apparently can bend the laws of physics!!! LOL
 

RawBudzski

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My 1st grow was using the oxyponic system. 4x plants in an 18gal res. got about 5-6ft & yielded about 11oz under one 600w. I did not have a PH meter the entire grow. ^_^
 

tip top toker

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tip top. yes, good point about the splitter and different pressures and flow rates affecting the results. HOWEVER, this is exactly the way that anyone that has a commercial pump uses them so in effect, your point is moot. I am testing real world results, not the DO rates given a specific air flow and pressure rate. I wanted to provide info for all, but mostly for those with larger set ups and commercial pumps.

oh yeah man, the oxyponic system..forgot about those. They apparently can bend the laws of physics!!! LOL
Surely in a commercial setup and such though, the airstones connected to the splitter would all be the same variety, not one of this and one of that, so that the pressure would be the same throughout, unlike in the test. It is not about given a specific pressure or rate, it is simply about if you attach X airstone to your pump, does it perform better than Y.
 

Mrfootball420

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great work and i will definately not be buying the boss hog diffusers. but one thing i cant wrap my head around is how two stones can perform less then one? logically i dont see how that is possible.

nvm, i re read your post. it was on a single line. thats why.


thanks again
 

legallyflying

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My 1st grow was using the oxyponic system. 4x plants in an 18gal res. got about 5-6ft & yielded about 11oz under one 600w. I did not have a PH meter the entire grow. ^_^
Wow! 2.75 oz of of each plant for a grand total of .50 grams per watt? Dude, sign me up. Giggle.

Btw.. Your pump is only putting out around 60L/ min.

Sorry man, I just had to. Let's keep things on topic :)
 

Mrfootball420

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ok, i have had a little time to digest all of this and one thing of note is the 4in blue logicilly should not out perform the 6in. this leads me to believe the test is flawed. I believe the 4in blue was getting the proper amount of airflow so it was performing optimally while the 6in blue was not getting the level of air flow it required, and as a result the 6b had the lower DO.

i think a more accurate test would be testing one stone at a time with the exact same pressure. i also think you should use a larger tub or tote for the test, maybe like 20 gallons. i would imagine this would spread out the DO numbers from stone to stone quite a bit. right now they are all reading towards max levels and all of them are certainly capable of oxygenating 4-5 gallons. but my guess is a 6in is rated higher and therefore would add more DO to a larger space.

i dont mean to rain on your parade bro and i thank you for all of your hard work, but i think the test is flawed. and i like you want answers, but i want the right answers, we all do.
 

newb19547

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Wow! 2.75 oz of of each plant for a grand total of .50 grams per watt? Dude, sign me up. Giggle.

Btw.. Your pump is only putting out around 60L/ min.

Sorry man, I just had to. Let's keep things on topic :)
You did see where he says he wasn't using a ph meter.....and who knows what else, right? lol.
 
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