Putin Speaks, Trump Acknowledges.

hanimmal

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What is with you and CNN? Do you get a nickel for every ten times you say their name or something?

Crowdstrike is a company that the DNC paid to investigate the Russian hack. They are the same company that Sony Pictures used to figure out the North Koreans hacked their stuff when they got pissed about the Seth Rogan movie.



And the Steele Dossier, yes, this is a good one. Turns out Ted Cruz hired a American company to do opposition research on Trump. Starts out easy enough, just checking out lots of books, and pictures of him through the years, and Russians start popping out everywhere. Then Ted Cruz drops out, the company goes over to Hillary's campaign to pick up the tab, because they find Trump balls deep in Russians who are hacking into the DNC.

That American company gets to the point they need to get someone with expertise in Russia and they hire the English spy Steele. Who goes over to Russia and gets all kinds of crazy shit thrown at him (some of which may well have been planted lies, but to date most has been proven correct) and he immediately takes it to the FBI, because you know... Russians....

He freaks out because the election is getting tight and nobody is doing shit about Trump cheating the system with foreign election help, and goes to the press.

Trump is trying to use this as some way to discredit the original FISA warrant, but what they like to ignore is that it was not the only evidence that they presented. And they still mentioned that it was opposition research stuff.
All of the Ted Cruz talk has jingled something loose for me.

We know from the Mueller Report that the Russian's looked at the opposition research the DMC had on Ted Cruz the week before he dropped out:
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And we know Ted Cruz hired Fusion GPA prior to Hillary Clinton's campaign. Russians easily could have fed in some false information when Steele was collecting information for the American company that was legally hired by Clinton once Ted Cruz dropped out a week later.

If the Russian's were running Ted Cruz at the time, everything starts making a lot more sense looking at how he has acted since.

Like ignoring Trump's asking Russia to hack Hillary Clinton. Dismissing Russia attacking our democracy, and even now taking up Russian conspiracy theories.
 

hanimmal

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At some point the Russian says "we should publish all of the correspondence of the back channel from October 2016 to November 2017".

I am going to have to watch this another time to see how Pompeo reacts to it. Trump is so busted.
 

hanimmal

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I am curious if Trump decides to just call off the G7 because his murdering dictator buddies are not wanted.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-g7-summit-trump/trump-says-its-common-sense-to-include-russia-in-g7-idUSKBN23A285
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump on Wednesday said it was “common sense” to invite Russian President Vladimir Putin to rejoin the Group of Seven, saying it would be much easier to solve various issues if Moscow was represented at the gathering.

“Many of the things that we talk about are about Putin,” Trump told Fox News Radio in an interview, adding: “Have him in the room ... get things done.”

Trump over the weekend had raised the prospect of expanding the G7, whose members are the world’s most advanced economies, to once again include Russia, which had been expelled in 2014 following Moscow’s annexation of Ukraine’s Crimea region.

The two leaders also spoke by phone on Monday, and discussed the possibility of holding an expanded G7 summit later this year. The Kremlin has said that it would seek more information about Trump’s invitation.

Trump has also invited Australia, South Korea and India.

Other G7 nations, including Canada, have objected to Russia’s return while some, such as Japan, have not yet weighed in. Germany on Wednesday said now was not the time to change the meeting’s format.

Trump has postponed the gathering of the G7, which also includes Britain, France, Germany, Italy and the European Union, until September or later amid the coronavirus pandemic.
 

schuylaar

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All of the Ted Cruz talk has jingled something loose for me.

We know from the Mueller Report that the Russian's looked at the opposition research the DMC had on Ted Cruz the week before he dropped out:
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And we know Ted Cruz hired Fusion GPA prior to Hillary Clinton's campaign. Russians easily could have fed in some false information when Steele was collecting information for the American company that was legally hired by Clinton once Ted Cruz dropped out a week later.

If the Russian's were running Ted Cruz at the time, everything starts making a lot more sense looking at how he has acted since.

Like ignoring Trump's asking Russia to hack Hillary Clinton. Dismissing Russia attacking our democracy, and even now taking up Russian conspiracy theories.
Devin Nunes.
 

hanimmal

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Was watching Bolton destroy Trump and it made me think of how Trump bent the knee to Putin. Abandoning the Kurds, removing sanctions on Deripaska, abandoning that poor guy in the Russian prison, on and on.

 
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hanimmal

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I really am curious if Trump will use this as a way to funnel millions/billions to Russia to buy Putin's snake oil.

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If it ends up being real, I would be really curious to see how many Russians travelled around in those wet markets in China. Because Trump has been very confident that 'this virus will magically disappear'. If Russia unleashed this virus in China, because they knew they had a way to fight it might be a good reason for Trump to act like he had has some special knowledge of it.

But that is just me talking out of my ass (about the virus-Russia stuff), but the Russian military is currently attacking us, I don't see why this would be any less likely than the shit Trump's cultists have been spouting.
 

Fogdog

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I really am curious if Trump will use this as a way to funnel millions/billions to Russia to buy Putin's snake oil.

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If it ends up being real, I would be really curious to see how many Russians travelled around in those wet markets in China. Because Trump has been very confident that 'this virus will magically disappear'. If Russia unleashed this virus in China, because they knew they had a way to fight it might be a good reason for Trump to act like he had has some special knowledge of it.

But that is just me talking out of my ass (about the virus-Russia stuff), but the Russian military is currently attacking us, I don't see why this would be any less likely than the shit Trump's cultists have been spouting.
Yeah, it's kind of hard to believe that the virus came from nature but that's what the evidence suggests. The final bit of evidence that convince me is that researchers found the proteins in the spike behaved differently than they understood they should. This is not proof but along with other evidence, I find convincing.

Trump can only watch with envy when Putin simply ignores his science advisors with impunity. How many times do we have to go through the cycle of denial followed by disaster when the experts turn out to be right? You just watch. Republicans will start clamoring for Putin's secret sauce.
 

Grandpapy

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I really am curious if Trump will use this as a way to funnel millions/billions to Russia to buy Putin's snake oil.

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If it ends up being real, I would be really curious to see how many Russians travelled around in those wet markets in China. Because Trump has been very confident that 'this virus will magically disappear'. If Russia unleashed this virus in China, because they knew they had a way to fight it might be a good reason for Trump to act like he had has some special knowledge of it.

But that is just me talking out of my ass (about the virus-Russia stuff), but the Russian military is currently attacking us, I don't see why this would be any less likely than the shit Trump's cultists have been spouting.
At a huge Soviet-era virology campus in Siberia called VECTOR, a sudden, unexpected explosion in September blew out the windows and set parts of a building ablaze. Around the world, people sat up and took notice.


Remember you first heard it here on Roller Derby!
 

schuylaar

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I really am curious if Trump will use this as a way to funnel millions/billions to Russia to buy Putin's snake oil.

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If it ends up being real, I would be really curious to see how many Russians travelled around in those wet markets in China. Because Trump has been very confident that 'this virus will magically disappear'. If Russia unleashed this virus in China, because they knew they had a way to fight it might be a good reason for Trump to act like he had has some special knowledge of it.

But that is just me talking out of my ass (about the virus-Russia stuff), but the Russian military is currently attacking us, I don't see why this would be any less likely than the shit Trump's cultists have been spouting.
these fvckers can't even come up with a decent drug to inject (krocodil) and you're going to trust them to a vaccine developed in 8 months?:lol:
 

hanimmal

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these fvckers can't even come up with a decent drug to inject (krocodil) and you're going to trust them to a vaccine developed in 8 months?:lol:
Unless maybe Putin already had it ready to go and just needed it to spread deep into our minority communities to help Trump's election chances.
 

schuylaar

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Unless maybe Putin already had it ready to go and just needed it to spread deep into our minority communities to help Trump's election chances.
they couldn't have had that data- it didn't exist for them to conspire; once known? why be so quick to extinguish? i do agree..i don't think he had it ready to go, they don't have an FDA.
 

hanimmal

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/10/06/trumps-team-trusts-russian-intelligence-over-us-intelligence/
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As the election draws near, President Trump’s political appointees, private lawyers and GOP allies on Capitol Hill are escalating their campaign to help the Russians interfere in U.S. politics. Now they’re effectively asking Americans to side with Russian intelligence services over the U.S. intelligence community — and the president is going along.

Over the past few months, Trump’s personal lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani, GOP senators, U.S. lobbyists and pro-Trump media organizations have been working with Russian intelligence agents to launder Russian disinformation about the Bidens and Ukraine’s alleged involvement in the 2016 U.S. presidential election. This effort is “probably” directed by Russian President Vladimir Putin himself, according to a secret CIA assessment I revealed in September.

Now, Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe is working to spread Russian intelligence directly— without even bothering to launder it. On Sept. 29, he sent a letter to Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) in which he announced that he was declassifying a Russian intelligence assessment obtained by the U.S. intelligence community in late July 2016. The Russian assessment described an alleged Clinton campaign effort to “stir up a scandal” by tying then-candidate Donald Trump to Putin and Russia’s hack of the Democratic National Committee.

Ratcliffe’s letter didn’t actually say Hillary Clinton was responsible for spurring the FBI investigation into the Trump campaign’s connections with Russia, but Trump made the link that same night — in his debate with Joe Biden. Referring to the letter, Trump said: “You saw what happened today with Hillary Clinton, where it was a whole big con job.” Ratcliffe’s letter said the intelligence community didn’t know the accuracy of the Russian intel or to what extent it was “exaggeration or fabrication.” He later clarified that he doesn’t think it was “disinformation.”

On Tuesday, Ratcliffe released heavily redacted declassified notes about the Russian intelligence assessment from then-CIA Director John Brennan and a heavily redacted copy of an investigative referral sent to then-FBI Director James B. Comey and then-Deputy Assistant Director of Counterintelligence Peter Strzok about the Russian intelligence.

Pro-Trump media outlets have suggested that this Russian intel assessment adds evidence to their claim that Moscow fed former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele disinformation, prompting the FBI investigation into Russia’s interference in the 2016 election. Pro-Trump lawmakers immediately celebrated the latest disclosures as a “smoking gun,” pointing to Clinton’s supposed guilt and the FBI’s refusal to investigate the Russian information.

But Strzok, who helped lead that investigation until he was fired in 2018, told me in an interview that the Ratcliffe letter offers zero new evidence that would support Trump’s claims about Clinton. Also, Strzok said, it’s impossible to know for sure what the Russians were talking about, because Ratcliffe didn’t release any information about the underlying Russian sourcing or reporting.

“There’s not anything nefarious there. [Trump’s allies] are trying to claim that Clinton spun all this up,” he said. “This is clearly false. Her campaign did not. Yes, they were highlighting the links between Trump and Russia, but that was obvious to everyone at the time.”
Brennan said Tuesday on CNN that there was nothing illegal about what Clinton was doing, even if the Russian assessment was true. “It was a campaign activity,” he said, which would not have warranted any FBI investigation.

The theory that Clinton and Steele were the source of the FBI investigation, a theory Trump often repeats, doesn’t make any sense, said Strzok. In his new book “Compromised: Counterintelligence and the Threat of Donald J. Trump,” Strzok details exactly how the FBI investigation started in 2016. An allied government informed U.S. officials that Trump aide George Papadopoulos had told an Australian diplomat Moscow had compromising information on Clinton and was offering to work with the Trump campaign to publicize it. The information from the Steele dossier came to the FBI after that.

CIA Director Gina Haspel and National Security Agency Director Paul Nakasone reportedly opposed Ratcliffe’s decision to selectively declassify information about the Russian intelligence assessment, because they believe such releases risk exposing the U.S. intelligence community’s sources and methods. Strzok told me Ratcliffe is only releasing the bits about the Russian assessment that fit Trump’s narrative, while withholding the source information, which might undermine its credibility.

“Even that letter is going to harm our intelligence community’s ability to gather intelligence and to recruit sources in particular,” he said, adding that if Ratcliffe released the sourcing information, it’s “likely going to point to the fact that these reports are not the smoking gun Ratcliffe and others want you to believe.”

The fact that Ratcliffe is willing to release sketchy Russian information from 2016 but won’t be transparent with Congress about Russian interference efforts in 2020 shows that he is prioritizing politics over national security, Sen. Angus King (I-Maine), a member of the Intelligence Committee, told me. Ratcliffe is giving the world — including the Russians — key insight into U.S. intelligence collection on Russia.

“It’s a betrayal of the fundamental premise of classification — don’t let your adversaries know what you know,” said King. “My larger concern is over the politicization of the intelligence community — it’s one of the worst things that can happen to the country.”

There’s no doubt the U.S. intelligence community made mistakes in 2016, but it is still more reliable than Putin’s, no matter what Trump or Ratcliffe says. The Trump team’s efforts to help Russia undermine confidence in our own government must end.
 

Grandpapy

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/10/06/trumps-team-trusts-russian-intelligence-over-us-intelligence/
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As the election draws near, President Trump’s political appointees, private lawyers and GOP allies on Capitol Hill are escalating their campaign to help the Russians interfere in U.S. politics. Now they’re effectively asking Americans to side with Russian intelligence services over the U.S. intelligence community — and the president is going along.

Over the past few months, Trump’s personal lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani, GOP senators, U.S. lobbyists and pro-Trump media organizations have been working with Russian intelligence agents to launder Russian disinformation about the Bidens and Ukraine’s alleged involvement in the 2016 U.S. presidential election. This effort is “probably” directed by Russian President Vladimir Putin himself, according to a secret CIA assessment I revealed in September.

Now, Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe is working to spread Russian intelligence directly— without even bothering to launder it. On Sept. 29, he sent a letter to Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) in which he announced that he was declassifying a Russian intelligence assessment obtained by the U.S. intelligence community in late July 2016. The Russian assessment described an alleged Clinton campaign effort to “stir up a scandal” by tying then-candidate Donald Trump to Putin and Russia’s hack of the Democratic National Committee.

Ratcliffe’s letter didn’t actually say Hillary Clinton was responsible for spurring the FBI investigation into the Trump campaign’s connections with Russia, but Trump made the link that same night — in his debate with Joe Biden. Referring to the letter, Trump said: “You saw what happened today with Hillary Clinton, where it was a whole big con job.” Ratcliffe’s letter said the intelligence community didn’t know the accuracy of the Russian intel or to what extent it was “exaggeration or fabrication.” He later clarified that he doesn’t think it was “disinformation.”

On Tuesday, Ratcliffe released heavily redacted declassified notes about the Russian intelligence assessment from then-CIA Director John Brennan and a heavily redacted copy of an investigative referral sent to then-FBI Director James B. Comey and then-Deputy Assistant Director of Counterintelligence Peter Strzok about the Russian intelligence.

Pro-Trump media outlets have suggested that this Russian intel assessment adds evidence to their claim that Moscow fed former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele disinformation, prompting the FBI investigation into Russia’s interference in the 2016 election. Pro-Trump lawmakers immediately celebrated the latest disclosures as a “smoking gun,” pointing to Clinton’s supposed guilt and the FBI’s refusal to investigate the Russian information.

But Strzok, who helped lead that investigation until he was fired in 2018, told me in an interview that the Ratcliffe letter offers zero new evidence that would support Trump’s claims about Clinton. Also, Strzok said, it’s impossible to know for sure what the Russians were talking about, because Ratcliffe didn’t release any information about the underlying Russian sourcing or reporting.

“There’s not anything nefarious there. [Trump’s allies] are trying to claim that Clinton spun all this up,” he said. “This is clearly false. Her campaign did not. Yes, they were highlighting the links between Trump and Russia, but that was obvious to everyone at the time.”
Brennan said Tuesday on CNN that there was nothing illegal about what Clinton was doing, even if the Russian assessment was true. “It was a campaign activity,” he said, which would not have warranted any FBI investigation.

The theory that Clinton and Steele were the source of the FBI investigation, a theory Trump often repeats, doesn’t make any sense, said Strzok. In his new book “Compromised: Counterintelligence and the Threat of Donald J. Trump,” Strzok details exactly how the FBI investigation started in 2016. An allied government informed U.S. officials that Trump aide George Papadopoulos had told an Australian diplomat Moscow had compromising information on Clinton and was offering to work with the Trump campaign to publicize it. The information from the Steele dossier came to the FBI after that.

CIA Director Gina Haspel and National Security Agency Director Paul Nakasone reportedly opposed Ratcliffe’s decision to selectively declassify information about the Russian intelligence assessment, because they believe such releases risk exposing the U.S. intelligence community’s sources and methods. Strzok told me Ratcliffe is only releasing the bits about the Russian assessment that fit Trump’s narrative, while withholding the source information, which might undermine its credibility.

“Even that letter is going to harm our intelligence community’s ability to gather intelligence and to recruit sources in particular,” he said, adding that if Ratcliffe released the sourcing information, it’s “likely going to point to the fact that these reports are not the smoking gun Ratcliffe and others want you to believe.”

The fact that Ratcliffe is willing to release sketchy Russian information from 2016 but won’t be transparent with Congress about Russian interference efforts in 2020 shows that he is prioritizing politics over national security, Sen. Angus King (I-Maine), a member of the Intelligence Committee, told me. Ratcliffe is giving the world — including the Russians — key insight into U.S. intelligence collection on Russia.

“It’s a betrayal of the fundamental premise of classification — don’t let your adversaries know what you know,” said King. “My larger concern is over the politicization of the intelligence community — it’s one of the worst things that can happen to the country.”

There’s no doubt the U.S. intelligence community made mistakes in 2016, but it is still more reliable than Putin’s, no matter what Trump or Ratcliffe says. The Trump team’s efforts to help Russia undermine confidence in our own government must end.
Exxon doesn't see this as a threat to profits.

But throw a rock at a pipeline and they will glassify you.

Welcome to Capitalism Comrade.
 
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