Props to the OG hippy

skunkushybrid said:

Religion is not the cause of wars .

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i agree with that.. the cause is...

THERE is NO cause... each one of us must take full repsonsibility for everything that is happenig on planet EARTH.... cause the blame game never ends... BLAMING NEVER ENDS

we all KNOW that everything is GODS fault.. or to gods credit... so lets STOP blaming and take FULL repsonsibility!

And you don't even have to belive in GOD to see this truth....

governement this, religion that, the police this, republicans that.. it is all said by PEOPLE who are not willing to take the repsonsibility of being human... it is just humans HERE...

All these other "words" are conceptual delusions (redundant) we use to deflect the responsibilty and turn it into blame....

PEOPLE who point fingers and blame are hiding from something....

iloveyou

^^^^

skunkushybrid said:

Yes, it would be great. The universal REALISATION that we are after all at the center of the universe. There are no gods.

Also, just to make a point. Religion is not the cause of wars it is an excuse to have them. The real and only reason for war is money. We built our Empire beneath the Christian standard, melted down the Taj Mahal solid gold doors and shipped it back to England as just one of the examples of criminality with religion as it's excuse. Constantinople... Iraq... it's all about money.

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Hmm, interesting post. I don't know much about Constantinople but saying the Iraq war is about money is an opinion. I know it's a popular opinion but I just don't see how. Maybe you could enlighten me. I'm not really arguing, I really don't know much about this topic which is why I ask...Peace.

loveisallyouneed said:

Hmm, interesting post. I don't know much about Constantinople but saying the Iraq war is about money is an opinion. I know it's a popular opinion but I just don't see how. Maybe you could enlighten me. I'm not really arguing, I really don't know much about this topic which is why I ask...Peace.

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just a thought, go back to the early 80's back when Bin Laden and Bush were oil buddies making tons of money together, could there be a connection here?

Hey knowm, sorry I answered before seeing there was another page (do that all the time!), good to have your opinion. I don’t think I understand. I agree with you that we all should take responsibility for our actions, I really don’t think there are many people who believe in determinism. Would you agree something vague like “conflicting ideas or goals” would be a cause for war? Everyone can still be completely responsible for all their actions and have conflicting ideas.

Again I don’t think I understand “we all KNOW that everything is GODS fault.. or to gods credit... so lets STOP blaming and take FULL repsonsibility!” is that not a contradiction?

It sounds like you know what you’re talking about but maybe you can clarify for me. I love you too Peace.

DoobsDay said:

just a thought, go back to the early 80's back when Bin Laden and Bush were oil buddies making tons of money together, could there be a connection here?

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hmm, thats is interesting I didn't know that... Peace.

There are a lot of oil fields in Iraq. After the first Iraq war where we were defending Kuwait. We (England) got free oil for five years. Yet the price of the oil was still going up.

Wars cost money this is true, so the earnings from the war must be greater than the cost of running it.

Afghanistan was not a war it was an annihilation. 14 days of bombs. The russians had been at war with the Afghan's for 20 years, and we think that dropping 2 weeks of bombs in the hills is enough to win a war. Who knows how many innocent people were slaughtered... but then, who cares right?

We held the city of Constantinople for 100 years, and in that time we robbed, raped and pillaged the muslim world. We have gotten fat off war, we can sit in this society we have created quite comfortably while giving 'charity' to the 3rd world. America was an extension of Great Britain, likewise Australia, both Countries belonging to a different race. We took everything they had, including their Country.

It's so much easier to get the people on your side when you use religion as an excuse

Yea, I agree that it might be tempting to go to war for oil and that a country really could make quite a bit from bullying another (oil rich) country. I just don't see how all the money making is really happening, do you know what I mean? Like is the oil being shipped to the US, if so think of how many thousands of people would need to be involved, one of which would probably defect and decide to make more off exposing bush and say writting a book or something. I dunno maybe I'm being naive. Peace.

BLAME -

blame can star anywhere...

some guy hits you in his car... the blame game begins

1. it is his fault the light was red
2. it is the governement fault for not cutting the tree blocking the light
3. it is the home owners fault for not cutting the bush thus making it a blind turn
4. it is the car manufactuers fault for not having good enough brakes
5. it is the citys drinking policy that allows people to drink in the afternoon.. thus leading to a drunk pedestrian who got hit by a car...

and the blame never stops

some people would even blame the man who fucked the lady that made the driver of the car.. or was that the inventor of the car...

we can go on and on with the blame game.... and we do... and it is always built on false.. yet accepted pretense....

If 50% of the people who get in car accidents are stoned.. is marijuana to blame... what if 90% of the drivers are stoned yet only 50% of the drivers who get in accidents are stoned.. does that mean that marijuana makes you a better driver.... LOL

NOw.. I am not saying that we need to get rid of all laws...

for example... if your dog shits on the sidewalk in front of my house and you don't pick it up.. I think you should be shot... LOL... J/K

The blame never stopd unless YOU blame GOD.... which obviusly there is no such thing as GOD..... there is only the UNKNOWN... iloveyou ,,, ahahha


If I have an opinion that conflicts with your opinion... and I react by fighting you... then.... what is that? what kind of reaction is that? What if you don't fight back?

to be continued

iloveyou

If you don't fight back you'll never know if you could have won.

It is in our nature to rob and steal. Our governments make laws against it. We as a people agree with those laws as essentially they have been written by us.

War is just a fancy name for aggravated robbery.

we can sit here and debate why this, and this is that, but when it comes down to it we dont know and never will, the people who do know make sure that their the only ones in the know. all we can do is speculate on what is happening while the others control it.

DoobsDay said:

we can sit here and debate why this, and this is that, but when it comes down to it we dont know and never will, the people who do know make sure that their the only ones in the know. all we can do is speculate on what is happening while the others control it.

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Who are the people that know? Beavis and Butthead?

skunkushybrid said:

It is in our nature to rob and steal. .

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without the delusion of ownership.. there could not be the delusion of robbery..

iloveyou

skunkushybrid said:

Who are the people that know? Beavis and Butthead?

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who are the people that know? money is power freind

i get alot of bullshit becuz of my avatar, if i were to put up a scientific formula for an avatar would that make me smarter skunk? since i mean avatars do dictate how intellectual someone is right skunk?

DoobsDay said:

who are the people that know? money is power freind

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So only rich people know? How do they know they know? or better yet, how do you know they know?

DoobsDay said:

i get alot of bullshit becuz of my avatar, if i were to put up a scientific formula for an avatar would that make me smarter skunk? since i mean avatars do dictate how intellectual someone is right skunk?

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I haven't given you any bullshit. I felt that you made a comment to match the intellectual level of your avatar.

Garden Knowm said:

without the delusion of ownership.. there could not be the delusion of robbery..

iloveyou

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Come on Knowm. Delusion of ownership? So if I own a car. I'm deluding myself that I actually own it? Then, if it get's stolen, I'm deluding myself that some little prick has stolen it?

Please explain to me how ownership and robbery are a delusion.

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Come on Knowm. Delusion of ownership? So if I own a car. I'm deluding myself that I actually own it? Then, if it get's stolen, I'm deluding myself that some little prick has stolen it?

Please explain to me how ownership and robbery are a delusion.

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yes..

the rules of ownership are completely arbitrary (whatever that means) LOL

One owns something there fore it can be stolen... when in actuality.. ONE owns NOTHING...

one delusion built on top of another delusion... ownership is conceptual.. NO reality....

One can play in the world of ownership without being an owner... this is called responsibility... but i digress..

By ownership, I more specifically mean attachment.. attachment beyond thebody.. when one has attachment beyond the body they have begum.. "mental illness".. this is the begining of delusion..

when ONE's happiness or state of being is controlled/determined by something outside of oneself... this is delusion or mental illness, or CRAZY... LOL

please don't jump to any conclusions here and think that I am sayin tha it is ok to steal...

ONE can ONLY know for oneself if he or she is stealing... If "YOUR" car is to go missing, then it is gone.. and there is no room in a sane man's mind to accuse another of stealing (judging others is delusion).. but the man who has taken the car KNOWS if he stole....

is this helping ????


We can not KNOW anything accept for WHAT is INSIDE US.. to know or judge anything else will surely bring misery... and misery is nothing but a lesson.... i have had my share thank you

iloveyou

when ones identity includes thing larger than the body ONE has entered delusion...

THIS does not mean that you cannot own a house and a car.. the two can co-exist


just as man living in the present can make plans for the future.. he makes those plans in the present.

iloveyou


If ONE can not accept what is.. then accept that one can not accept what is..

this takes stillness and non-reaction...

iloveyou

So the knowledge of one cannot be entirely known by another, this is true... entirely.

But to say that you own this house or that car, is not delusional. Society is built upon ownership and robbery. You can't have one without the other. The balance however must always rest on ownership (or at least appear to do so), this is sanity.

Robbery is a form (in respect to an individual perp') of insanity, or delusional behaviour. Society has laws, these laws are there as a guide to how a sane man should live his life. A man that continually breaks these laws is, in society, considered delusional. His reality is different to what society says is normal, therefore making the individual delusional.

Ownership exists, and we exercise it many times a day. Ownership may not exist within the fact that we could lose the item at any time, then the item merely becomes something we used to own.