Proper Vero29 Gen7s + Drivers for a 4x4 Space

stupidcracker00

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What’s up RIU,

I’ve been lurking in the LED forum for a little bit now, but I have learned most of my stuff from growmou5’s YouTube channel (Shout out. You’re one hella smart dude, my dude).

I’m currently looking to build a COB system for a 4x4 grow space inside a 6x6 closet. I know this is a very typical grow space, which is why it is so surprising I haven’t found my answer yet.
I know I want to have 1 COB per ft2, which means 16 COBS for the 4x4ft space.
Now comes the tricky part. Deciding between the CXB3590 or the Vero29 Gen 7 and which Driver(s) to use.

Here are my thoughts:

The CXB3590’s are more efficient when ran at lower volts and outperform the Vero’s when ran at 36v. BUT if you were to increase the Volts per COB, the Vero pulls away in performance in terms of lumen output. I would prefer to use the Vero29 Gen 7’s because they are cheaper and produce more light at higher Volts.

The Vero29 Gen 7 I am specifically referring to is BXRC-35E10K0-C-7X
My question is, what drivers should I use to give me the most light with this COB? 4 lights per driver?
I was thinking since I need 16 cobs, I could split it into 4 lights per driver. My only concern with that is that I wouldn’t be cranking the Volts high enough on the COB to push it to the max flux it’s rated at. I might as well stick with Crees at that point. In order for it to be worth getting the Veros, I think I need each COB to be at least 69.4 Vf, but ideally more like 74.4Vf to hit max lumens.

That being said, which driver can accomplish this? I am leaning towards the Inventronics because they pull more power than what they are rated for, and run over 10 degrees cooler than the Meanwell counterpart. I just have no idea which model.

Also, this may be a poor way of looking at things, but as a kicker, I know it takes appx. 650 W of CREE/Vero29 COB LEDs to have the same lumen output as a 1000W HPS, and I know it takes a little less than (2) 1000W HPS to have optimal light in a 4x4 [(2) 600W HPS for example], So I am assuming I need a total of close to 800-900W of COB LED, which would be about 4 drivers I think. But this is why I am asking you guys. I don’t have enough experience with this. I know it’s relative to how many COBs I have per driver and which drivers I choose.

Any and all help is GREATLY appreciated. FYI - I’m looking to buy these LED’s and Drivers tonight.

Thanks RIU Fam!
 

CobKits

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Deciding between the CXB3590 or the Vero29 Gen 7
not really a debate

The CXB3590’s are more efficient when ran at lower volts and outperform the Vero’s when ran at 36v.
thats old info. vero C is better than cxb at all wattages
My only concern with that is that I wouldn’t be cranking the Volts high enough on the COB to push it to the max flux it’s rated at.
you dont want to so this anyway. they are more efficient when run soft
 

stupidcracker00

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not really a debate


thats old info. vero C is better than cxb at all wattages

you dont want to so this anyway. they are more efficient when run soft
Ok awesome. Didn't know that was old info.

And correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that this is what I want to do. I'm not looking to be most effecient... I'm looking for most light. The C version has the highest flux to efficacy ratio, but I dont really care about that because I'm going to be saving money regardless and I just want more light. The Model of Vero29 I put in the OP is rated at 18936 lm @ 25 C @ 69.4V. If I crank it up to 74.4V, the COB will produce 33670 lm @ 25 C, which is absolutely insane. That's twice as much as at 69.4V. That's why I want to crank these puppies. Would that not work? How many COBs per driver at that rate if I use the largest driver? Could you please give me a couple examples on how that would look? You told me what I shouldn't do, but you didn't say what I should do.

Thanks man!
 

CobKits

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if you want the most light per chip you want citizen, not vero. chips are rated to 500+W and you can get 420W out of one with an HLG-480H-C3500B @ about 53000 lm
 

stupidcracker00

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if you want the most light per chip you want citizen, not vero. chips are rated to 500+W and you can get 420W out of one with an HLG-480H-C3500B @ about 53000 lm
Oh shit, so you're saying in order to accomplish maximum light output for each cob, I would have to have 1 driver per COB? If so, that makes perfect sense now that I'm thinking about it, but definitely not the route to go. In your opinion, what's the easiest way to accomplish 16 Cobs, with fewest amounts of drivers but optimal light for a 4x4 space? Would it be the vero C's we've been talking about? If so, which driver should I get with those COBs?

Thanks man, I already feel like this is becoming more clear.
 

CobKits

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Oh shit, so you're saying in order to accomplish maximum light output for each cob, I would have to have 1 driver per COB?
well if you want to run north of 400W per cob you do. they only make drivers so big

but definitely not the route to go.
its actually pretty elegant and failsafe

In your opinion, what's the easiest way to accomplish 16 Cobs, with fewest amounts of drivers but optimal light for a 4x4 space?
oprimal light? 16 luminus CXM22 on an HLG600H-48A driver. if that 640 cob watts isnt enough for you, use 2x HLG320H-48A to get about 740 cob watts. zero reason to put more light than that in a 4x4 imo, it would be super efficient with those chips run at 40-45W each, youd be ~1200 ppfd in the latter case
 

stupidcracker00

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Go
well if you want to run north of 400W per cob you do. they only make drivers so big


its actually pretty elegant and failsafe


oprimal light? 16 luminus CXM22 on an HLG600H-48A driver. if that 640 cob watts isnt enough for you, use 2x HLG320H-48A to get about 740 cob watts. zero reason to put more light than that in a 4x4 imo, it would be super efficient with those chips run at 40-45W each, youd be ~1200 ppfd in the latter case
Goddamn.... You are a gentleman and a scholar, kind Sir. That could not have been a better answer. Much appreciated.
 

stupidcracker00

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you could do 9 cobs at 75W ea in a 4x4 and get similar results and save a few hundred bucks
Same driver? Just less cobs? What size heat sink if I push them 75 watts? And would I be able to expand on the same build down the line if I want to improve efficiency/performance?
 

CobKits

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well you get different wattages out of 9 cobs with different driver combos
3x hlg-185-48A = 675W
2x hlg320-48A up to 725-750W with 4 on one driver and 5 on another
1x hlg600-48A = 640W and its topped out

you can add as many cobs as you like to any of those drivers to increase efficiency, it just splits the current out amongst # of cobs

133 mm pinfin will take 75W. 100W if you throw a little fan on it
 

stupidcracker00

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well you get different wattages out of 9 cobs with different driver combos
3x hlg-185-48A = 675W
2x hlg320-48A up to 725-750W with 4 on one driver and 5 on another
1x hlg600-48A = 640W and its topped out

you can add as many cobs as you like to any of those drivers to increase efficiency, it just splits the current out amongst # of cobs

133 mm pinfin will take 75W. 100W if you throw a little fan on it
Gotchya. Makes sense. I think I'm gonna go with 2 - hlg320s and 9 cobs at first and then I can add cobs to those as I expand for better efficiency and light output.

That being said, I was trying to source everything on your website because you have been so helpful and you have stock of most things other places dont, but it only has 8 preassembled light engines of the 133mm passive heat sink.

Could you please pm me a quote for the following? I will place the order in the next couple of days :)

9 - CXM22 Gen 3 Passive Light Engines - 133mm
9 - compatible reflectors such as the LEDiL Angelina
2 - hlg320-48A

And anything else that I would need to get these lights set up on a single 4x4 square frame. I am building the frame myself so all I need are the components for the lights.

Thank you kind, Sir!
 

CobKits

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@stupidcracker00

ive got hundreds of preassembled in boxes but i need to go thru them. between all the different combos
120/133mm heatsink
3000/3500k
80/90 cri
bjb/ideal

that makes like 16 different combos to inventory.

email is best i almost didnt see this post
 
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