Privatizing SS

medicineman

New Member
Say, all you goobers that want to privatize Social Security, what say you now, Dow below 10,000 and dropping like a rock. Yeah, I'd sure want my retirement tied to these assholes, idiotic. Come on now, tell me all the good points again?
 

Spitzered

Well-Known Member
Well, Privatization is a little misleading. Its more like freedom of choice. SS is what, 11.4% (or am I behind). And people had the choice with 4% to be placed as they wished. And it was willable not just disappear if you died before you could collect any.
Or they could let the govt keep it and use it as they see fit. Obama said he wouldn't be opposed to raising SS to 25% and raising the retirement age.

People could have invested in gold for example, or silver.

Hey, where is the $700,000,000,000 latest bailout money coming from? The fiscal geniuses in Washington?

Most people would have let the govt keep the SS money, too lazy to do otherwise.

I am seriously considering investing stocks now. Its at a four year low right now.

Dollar is up tho, sweeeeet.
 

medicineman

New Member
OK, so none of you right wing wankers want to dispute this. Then I'm fucking right and they should leave SS in the SS account and make sure it gets funded.
 

medicineman

New Member
Well, Privatization is a little misleading. Its more like freedom of choice. SS is what, 11.4% (or am I behind). And people had the choice with 4% to be placed as they wished. And it was willable not just disappear if you died before you could collect any.
Or they could let the govt keep it and use it as they see fit. Obama said he wouldn't be opposed to raising SS to 25% and raising the retirement age.

People could have invested in gold for example, or silver.

Hey, where is the $700,000,000,000 latest bailout money coming from? The fiscal geniuses in Washington?

Most people would have let the govt keep the SS money, too lazy to do otherwise.

I am seriously considering investing stocks now. Its at a four year low right now.

Dollar is up tho, sweeeeet.
Uhhhh, and why should we let them take a % of our SS and put it in the stock market? Uhhh it could go up, yet those crooks could steal it back again and we could bail them out once more, Let's see, 11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18 trillion and counting. when do we just say, yup, we're bankrupt and start over, nationalize the oil and energy companies, the stock markets and get rid of all the "money changers". Why should someone with a high fallutin degree on wall street be allowed to steal grandma and grandpas money, and walk with millions/billions?
 

medicineman

New Member
There is no 'them', it would be your choice to do as the one who earned the money in first place to decide. Heaven forbid.
Actually, I believe they hadn't got around to deciding how they were going to take a % of your money or how much you could invest, but from the looks of the stock market, I'll bet most of us are glad they didn't get a bill a few years back when they (The Republicans) tried to foist one off on us.
 

TheBrutalTruth

Well-Known Member
Actually, I believe they hadn't got around to deciding how they were going to take a % of your money or how much you could invest, but from the looks of the stock market, I'll bet most of us are glad they didn't get a bill a few years back when they (The Republicans) tried to foist one off on us.
Actually I'm rather pissed off. Even after all the rather dramatic decline in the DOW its likely I'd be up based on some of the picks I made a few years ago when I was limited to just dabbling in the market due to financial constraints.

That, and when I think about the dividend income I could have gathered with the $12K (at 6%) or 24K (at 12%) that they have confiscated from me I'd rather have the 24K in the markets, even with the current downturn.
 

medicineman

New Member
Actually I'm rather pissed off. Even after all the rather dramatic decline in the DOW its likely I'd be up based on some of the picks I made a few years ago when I was limited to just dabbling in the market due to financial constraints.

That, and when I think about the dividend income I could have gathered with the $12K (at 6%) or 24K (at 12%) that they have confiscated from me I'd rather have the 24K in the markets, even with the current downturn.
Oh well, they didn't and anyway, no one is stopping you from putting all you want in the market, go ahead and buy in. Now may be a good time, and or it may not. That is the problem with the market. It is gambling. A little correction and all your gain is wiped out. Basically all you'd have gained in the last 4 years would be gone baby gone.
 

KWsmoke

Well-Known Member
Why would you want to privatize the most successful government ran program to date?

This shit is ignorant. Although I do have faith that the DOW will recover with time. (look at how the market closed today) The private sector would fuck up SS so bad!

I really can't understand why someone would even think about it.
 

Bongulator

Well-Known Member
The problem is that, given freedom to choose what to do with their futures, many people would just blow it, invest it unwisely, buy big-screen TVs or a couple of lines of coke a day for a month, whatever. And *then* when they're old and creaky, they're also penniless and then it's We The People who end up paying for their irresponsibility.

With social security as it is, it's idiot-proof. And it needs to be, because we have a whole lot of idiots.
 

TheBrutalTruth

Well-Known Member
Oh well, they didn't and anyway, no one is stopping you from putting all you want in the market, go ahead and buy in. Now may be a good time, and or it may not. That is the problem with the market. It is gambling. A little correction and all your gain is wiped out. Basically all you'd have gained in the last 4 years would be gone baby gone.
No, it's not gambling, not if you are actually investing instead of speculating.

The key difference is, that when you gamble, you don't actually get jack shit in return. When you invest, you get shares in a company in return. Big ass difference.

Now, I'm not saying that there isn't a chance that the shares could become worthless, but that's the risk in any enterprise.

Then again, Med, you probably think opening your own business is gambling, which it is, if you fail to properly plan and execute. As its said, "Prior Proper Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance."
 

TheBrutalTruth

Well-Known Member
The problem is that, given freedom to choose what to do with their futures, many people would just blow it, invest it unwisely, buy big-screen TVs or a couple of lines of coke a day for a month, whatever. And *then* when they're old and creaky, they're also penniless and then it's We The People who end up paying for their irresponsibility.

With social security as it is, it's idiot-proof. And it needs to be, because we have a whole lot of idiots.
No, it's not idiot-proof. You see, some how the idiots found a way into power, and they raided social security to make up for the deficit.

There's nothing that would prevent it from being set up so that it's not possible to actually withdraw the money from the private accounts that would be created.

I don't want access to the money, I want control of the stuff, because it is my money, and government has proven time and time again that it can not be trusted not to screw everyone over.

Even now, Social Security is still being raided. The government is only a little more circumspect about it. Instead of outright raiding SS it "borrows" the money from Social Security and promises to pay it back. Based on current trends I don't see our government ever being in a position to pay it back.
 

******

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No, it's not gambling, not if you are actually investing instead of speculating.

The key difference is, that when you gamble, you don't actually get jack shit in return. When you invest, you get shares in a company in return. Big ass difference.

Now, I'm not saying that there isn't a chance that the shares could become worthless, but that's the risk in any enterprise.

Then again, Med, you probably think opening your own business is gambling, which it is, if you fail to properly plan and execute. As its said, "Prior Proper Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance."
what if i gamble wisely and win , and someone else bought aig lemans .
 

medicineman

New Member
No, it's not gambling, not if you are actually investing instead of speculating.

The key difference is, that when you gamble, you don't actually get jack shit in return. When you invest, you get shares in a company in return. Big ass difference.

Now, I'm not saying that there isn't a chance that the shares could become worthless, but that's the risk in any enterprise.

Then again, Med, you probably think opening your own business is gambling, which it is, if you fail to properly plan and execute. As its said, "Prior Proper Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance."
Look dude, I live in Nevada, Las Vegas, home of gambling. I grew up here, I certainly know what gambling is, and I've owned three businesses, one successful two not, so I also know that opening a business is a gamble. You may ask what caused my 2 out of three to fail, undercapitalization, that's right, I didn't have enough money to keep them afloat. There's the rub. Example: I was the superintendant on a few high rise buildings in So Cal. nothing major just 3-5 story hospitals, banks, industrial and commercial office buildings etc. I tried to get a subcontractors licence but found that to bid on the same jobs I had taken out of the ground as the concrete superintendent, I'd have to get a 500,000 bond. To get that, you had to come up with 10% cash and have the rest in collateral, thereby taking me out of the race. The poor man starts out handicapped from the gates. Where was I going to get 500,000 of collateral. I certainly could have done the job, I had successfully completed many buildings in my tenure as the "guy" who got the plans dropped on me and called the backhoe and started the ball rolling and finished it up, from start to finish, I was the guy that dealt with everything on the job. My boss was the proverbial money man, (I made that man over 1 million bucks) nice guy, but when it came time for him to retire, guess who got the business, that's right, his son, a lazy dolt that had to hire a guy like me to run the field operations. I had quit by this time and moved on to my own business, a gas station.
 
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