Private Breeders prices?

Bodyne

Bodyne

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Mullalulla said:
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I honestly dont get this type of mind set ... unless you guys are just throwing a bucket under a t5 .. I get it ... if you have no cash, you dont work, your in a illegal state ect ..

I honestly feel bad sometimes for these dudes making beans, everyone wants them to charge like 60$ to 80$ for a pack of 10 seeds that have been worked over for years .. years ... and then at that point like the dude above me ... ok you took this strain .. over the course of a coupel years .. stabilized it .. made sure .. spent money time and everything .. and this dude aladdin .. is all ..Ill give you a benny for it. Thats it. I feel you are undervaluing there work.
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flip side, how many seeds you get off one decent sized pollenated plant. Let's say with some work behind them, aka f2's etc. WIth one plant producing that many seeds, with pollen from aother plant, two plants is what it cost you to make the seeds. You get 1000 seeds off a 3 foot fully pollenated plant. Be a 100 packs of 10 at 60 dollars a pack for growing two plants from good genetics and that have been worked a little. How much money is that being made? 6K from two plants ain't bad money, but then the greed kicks in, depending upon genetics they may up their price. Even more money. Hard to see the undervalue part. JMHO Add in the female seed thing, which there are so many doin it on their own, it can't be that hard, if you do it right. Those are even higher and in more demand. I'd say you meant to say overvalued, lol, than undervalued.
 
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Mullalulla

Mullalulla

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Bodyne said:
flip side, how many seeds you get off one decent sized pollenated plant. Let's say with some work behind them, aka f2's etc. WIth one plant producing that many seeds, with pollen from aother plant, two plants is what it cost you to make the seeds. You get 1000 seeds off a 3 foot fully pollenated plant. Be a 100 packs of 10 at 60 dollars a pack for growing two plants from good genetics and that have been worked a little. How much money is that being made? 6K from two plants ain't bad money, but then the greed kicks in, depending upon genetics they may up their price. Even more money. Hard to see the undervalue part. JMHO Add in the female seed thing, which there are so many doin it on their own, it can't be that hard, if you do it right. Those are even higher and in more demand. I'd say you meant to say overvalued, lol, than undervalued.
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2 plants .. how many hours + expenses + ac + ferts + medium + packaging costs + ect ... 6k for 2 plants .. spread over we'll say 95 days .. this all costs money. also ... " it cant be that hard, if you do it right" can be said about anything really why is this different ... people complaining about price really get me tho .. so dont buy said seeds .. buy these 60 dollar packs .. and support "real breeders" if dudes out there making 150 to 300 a pack people obviously value his time as such.
 
Amos Otis

Amos Otis

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shorelineOG said:
If you can buy direct from a breeder you should get a better deal than buying retail. Read reviews of the strain and buy from a breeder that stands behind their product.
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However, if a seed maker has sold beans to a retailer, he should not undercut the retailer by selling direct to customers. Only exception would be if the retailer won't ship beyond borders, for example.
 
Bodyne

Bodyne

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Mullalulla said:
2 plants .. how many hours + expenses + ac + ferts + medium + packaging costs + ect ... 6k for 2 plants .. spread over we'll say 95 days .. this all costs money. also ... " it cant be that hard, if you do it right" can be said about anything really why is this different ... people complaining about price really get me tho .. so dont buy said seeds .. buy these 60 dollar packs .. and support "real breeders" if dudes out there making 150 to 300 a pack people obviously value his time as such.
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I do buy the good 60 packs from Useful, Genuity and others. I think the dudes charging that is his perceived value of his time. Its a hobby, and if not, its a business and if you are making that kind of jack doing something you love, those prices are what they are worth in your mind, but rest assured, given the right hype, someone will buy em. Look at all those starfighter stories, all those 1000 dollar auction stories. lol, Yea, a sucker born every minute and they know it. Not all are unscrupulous at all, but 150 or over for a pack o beans. Sorry, you can keep em. Funny thing is, the cuts you see being circulated is hardly ever something a regular joe found in a seed pack. most times, the "breeder" found a killer pheno and passed it around.
 
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brpawa

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Bodyne said:
flip side, how many seeds you get off one decent sized pollenated plant. Let's say with some work behind them, aka f2's etc. WIth one plant producing that many seeds, with pollen from aother plant, two plants is what it cost you to make the seeds. You get 1000 seeds off a 3 foot fully pollenated plant. Be a 100 packs of 10 at 60 dollars a pack for growing two plants from good genetics and that have been worked a little. How much money is that being made? 6K from two plants ain't bad money, but then the greed kicks in, depending upon genetics they may up their price. Even more money. Hard to see the undervalue part. JMHO Add in the female seed thing, which there are so many doin it on their own, it can't be that hard, if you do it right. Those are even higher and in more demand. I'd say you meant to say overvalued, lol, than undervalued.
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Well said! 1000 seeds off 1 plant is a low estimate also.
 
Bodyne

Bodyne

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yes they do, if you let the plant completely finish even to the point of goin longer. Seen too many pale, little, mishapen beans, barely able to pass the fingerroll test from that one branch or pollenating early You grow the plant and finish it to almost too ripe, those beans will be big, usually well striped, solid and viable. jme
 
thenotsoesoteric

thenotsoesoteric

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I typically pollinate at 4 1/2 weeks of 12/12, a little later than some but I found you get a better yield of healthy beans. Just gotta let the plant go till she has cooked them beans up right. I never chop a seed plant according to "peak ripeness" for smoke, never look at the trichs. Dont matter, just watching the beans.
 
BDGrows

BDGrows

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thenotsoesoteric said:
I typically pollinate at 4 1/2 weeks of 12/12, a little later than some but I found you get a better yield of healthy beans. Just gotta let the plant go till she has cooked them beans up right. I never chop a seed plant according to "peak ripeness" for smoke, never look at the trichs. Dont matter, just watching the beans.
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Do you do naturally pollinate or do it manually?
 
Amos Otis

Amos Otis

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thenotsoesoteric said:
I typically pollinate at 4 1/2 weeks of 12/12, a little later than some but I found you get a better yield of healthy beans. Just gotta let the plant go till she has cooked them beans up right.
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100 %. You can get away w/ chopping a plant for buds a little early. The smoke still has worth. But you can't take the chance of losing 50% beans and 4 months of time and space by taking a seed plant early. [ See: Hibernate F2 project version 1 :oops: ]
 
thenotsoesoteric

thenotsoesoteric

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Amos Otis said:
100 %. You can get away w/ chopping a plant for buds a little early. The smoke still has worth. But you can't take the chance of losing 50% beans and 4 months of time and space by taking a seed plant early. [ See: Hibernate F2 project version 1 :oops: ]
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I've done that in the past too! Was in need of smoke and chopped a seeded plant early. Ended up with tons of pale seeds. Lesson learned though.
 
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althor

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I forgot where I saw this, heard this, whatever... but someone was talking about a product their company sold.
He said...

we have the 10 dollar version, the 50 dollar version, and the 100 dollar version.

someone asked what was the difference..

He replied... nothing at all. we have found some people want to pay 10 dollars, some want to pay 50 dollars and some want to pay 100.

People get in their heads something is better or of higher value because the price is higher. That isn't often the case.
 
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Zipz55

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thenotsoesoteric said:
I use a qtip and hold it above the buds and tap it. A little dust cloud falls down on the buds. Works pretty good just make sure all fans are off and try not to breathe too heavy, lol.
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i just tried my first pollen chuck during my last grow

tried to hit one branch of Dubble Diesel with some Tropicanna Cookies pollen and didnt turn he fan off

ended up with over 6k seeds :wall:

that little bit of pollen got to the whole plant
 
A casual grower

A casual grower

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Aladdin.khalifa said:
Great question!

In my opinion $100+ for a 10 pack isn't too much if the breeders have spent years stabilizing their lines before creating the strains. It would be well worth it as it the quality will more than offset the high price. :bigjoint:

However, if it's not even a "True F1" or "IBL" and the so-called "breeder" has just outcrossed 2 trendy strains to create a new "strain" that won't be genetically stable (Full of different phenos), that's what I call a scam :?

It really depends on who the breeder is and the amount of work he put in before releasing that strain.

Cheers,
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True IBL’s in cannabis are non existent. Their will ALWAY be genetic variation f1 or f15 and so on. You can pull it a certain way sure, but you’ll never truly receive what you pay for on a given pack because of
1: phenotype expressions based on environment
2: variations that go back as grandparent traits even being recessive trait, I.e you’ll still see f1 traights withen a f3 gen easily.

And everyone acts like polyhybrid or a worked cultivar really adds much difference on hermaphroditism knows little about genetics within sexed plants. 2 homogeneous traights can still create fucked up offspring if that’s in them genetically. OG, chem, Cookies, etc. have all been worked through the fucking roofs and offspring who held their finicky quick flipping traights generations ago still have those traights to flip under a consistent hot feed in most cases.
And further more some of the best cultivars I’ve grown and seeds popped where from polyhybrid based genes. Bluepower f2 from sincityseeds is a f2 polyhybrid Breed with the end goal of massive expression pool all bringing heat. In 2 packs I’ve found 14 females that did everything from zesty pinsol and floral gas too blueberry muffins with a hash like background.
 
Aladdin.khalifa

Aladdin.khalifa

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A casual grower said:
True IBL’s in cannabis are non existent. Their will ALWAY be genetic variation f1 or f15 and so on. You can pull it a certain way sure, but you’ll never truly receive what you pay for on a given pack because of
1: phenotype expressions based on environment
2: variations that go back as grandparent traits even being recessive trait, I.e you’ll still see f1 traights withen a f3 gen easily.

And everyone acts like polyhybrid or a worked cultivar really adds much difference on hermaphroditism knows little about genetics within sexed plants. 2 homogeneous traights can still create fucked up offspring if that’s in them genetically. OG, chem, Cookies, etc. have all been worked through the fucking roofs and offspring who held their finicky quick flipping traights generations ago still have those traights to flip under a consistent hot feed in most cases.
And further more some of the best cultivars I’ve grown and seeds popped where from polyhybrid based genes. Bluepower f2 from sincityseeds is a f2 polyhybrid Breed with the end goal of massive expression pool all bringing heat. In 2 packs I’ve found 14 females that did everything from zesty pinsol and floral gas too blueberry muffins with a hash like background.
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Who said you couldn't find great phenos when growing polyhibrids?
However, do you think slapping 2 "fire" strains together is worth as much as a strain that breeds true for certain specific traits and has been worked for many years? Personally, I don't. And if it were worth as much, why bother stabilizing anything? Anybody could be a breeder just by chucking pollen...

Of course there is always going to be some variations among IBL strains, An IBL is a strain that breeds true for certain traits, not each and every trait. For exemple if you can create a strain that consistently breeds true for purple color, blueberry smell and narrow leaves, that would be a true IBL.
The goal when doing line breeding is to breed out the genes that code for undesirable traits by only picking the plants expressing the traits you are after. You have to repeat the process many times as this can take many generations.
 
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