Pot should be legalized, regulated and sold like alcohol: addiction centre

WHATFG

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Canada’s largest mental health and addiction treatment and research centre is calling for the legalization of marijuana, with strict controls that would govern who could buy weed, from where, and in what quantity.

In a policy statement released Thursday, the Centre for Addiction and Mental Health in Toronto said cannabis should be sold through a government-controlled monopoly and with limited availability and an age limit, possibly through outlets similar to provincially operated liquor stores.

“Legalization means that we remove all penalties for cannabis possession and use by adults,” said Jurgen Rehm, director of social and epidemiological research at CAMH.

“Canada’s current system of cannabis control is failing to prevent or reduce the harms associated with cannabis use,” he said Wednesday. “Based on a thorough review of the evidence, we believe that legalization combined with strict regulation of cannabis is the most effective means of reducing the harms associated with its use.”

Those harms include respiratory diseases such as lung cancer, the risk of death or disability from motor vehicle accidents, and deleterious effects on cognition, particularly among pot-smoking adolescents because their brains are still developing.

Cannabis use also can also become habitual, said Rehm, noting that about 30,000 people are treated for pot dependence each year in Ontario alone.

Given its potential harms, legalizing and controlling the sale of marijuana in Canada is an important public health measure, Rehm stressed.

Although possessing pot is illegal, a significant proportion of Canadians still use the herb. In fact, Canada has one of the highest rates of cannabis use in the world, with 40 per cent of Canadians having used it at least once in their lifetime.

In Ontario, for instance, a survey showed about the same percentage of people aged 18 to 29 reported having smoked pot in the previous year.

“We have a lot of our adolescents smoking marijuana, so it does not do what it’s supposed to be doing,” he said of criminalizing cannabis. “We push our youth, our adolescents into an illegal market, and where other drugs are sold from the same dealer.”

“And we cannot control all of this unless we legalize the substance ... plus we can control the potency and the quality too.”

Part of that control would include restricting sales to consumers over a certain age — such as 19, 20 or 21 — similar to age rules in place for those buying alcohol.

Ian Culbert, executive-director of the Canadian Public Health Association, welcomed the call for legalization by CAMH.

“The war on drugs has failed and it has done more damage than any possible good,” said Culbert. “So we have to take a different approach.”

“Canadian society isn’t overnight going to embrace this idea of legalization and regulation, so it’s a conversation that we have to have.”

In May, the association issued its own policy statement saying that “Canada needs a public health approach to managing illegal psychoactive substances that de-emphasizes criminalization and stigma in favour of evidence-based strategies to reduce harm.”

Benedikt Fischer, an addictions expert at B.C.’s Simon Fraser University, said the federal government’s insistence on criminalizing marijuana possession and use has led to “hundreds of thousands” of Canadians over the years carrying a criminal record, which can have a far-reaching impact on their lives, including being unable to qualify for certain jobs.

“And we’re not effectively deterring cannabis use nor are we effectively preventing harms,” said Fischer, adding that pricing of a legalized product is also a key element of regulation — high enough to prevent too much use, but not so high it would send people to the black market looking for a less expensive product.

“The objective is not to make cannabis as cheaply available to as many people as possible, but really to make sure that people who want to consume cannabis have a safe and regulated and controlled supply that they choose over the black market,” he said.

Fischer said the federal government already has a model in place for a legalized and regulated industry in licensed growers of marijuana for medical purposes. Recreational pot is no different than medicinal weed, he said, and there are purportedly hundreds of applications by other growers seeking licenses.

Rehm said a legalized system would need to be designed at the federal level and given the blessing of Parliament, but CAMH does not advocate following the somewhat wild-west example of Colorado, which has legalized pot but has few constraints on who can sell the product or to whom.

“That’s exactly what we do not want.”

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cannadan

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“And we cannot control all of this unless we legalize the substance ... plus we can control the potency and the quality too.”

control control control.......is what it boils down to....but using alcohol as an example.....is just plain wrong....its nothing like alcohol.....period..
 

WHATFG

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Well this is a step in the right direction. The one point I did not or agree with is the control of the quality of the pot. If they do not allow total legalization with people growing what they want IT WILL NOT WORK. They can't possible think limiting thc to some stupid level so that nobody has any fun using it is going to prevent or stop the BM. Right idea, possibly the wrong approach?
 

freddyc

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Can't wait for the 'spin' to come out of Ottawa, this is shaping up to be the most entertaining subject/issue in quite a while.. I'm already snickering as I think of the 'experts/con politicians' coming up against this one.....love it.
 

freddyc

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Yes the legalization will be a very 'slippery slope' for a while. As alcohol was mentioned, it is actually chemically a poison, yet it is legal. People can brew their own beer or wine at home, so how will prohibiting home growing be justified. If one looks at alcohol derivatives, some of the most noxious/poisonous substances can be created,. If someone has created a derivative from marijuana that can compare in toxicity and lethality I'd be most interested in hearing about it. When I despair I listen to the voices of reason....
 

freddyc

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I worked as an addictions counsellor for a number of years and can tell you. The 'substance/method' one may choose to use is only a symptom of an underlying 'imbalance'. As for what CAMH espouses regarding marijuana's addictive nature, I see it as a 'red herring' . One can be/get addicted to anything that takes their mind off their 'inner turmoil'. imho, it is more a social/spiritual issue that left untreated can become a medical issue. And no, when I say spiritual I don't mean religious, I'm speaking to 'spiritual woundedness' resulting from 'social issues'. Again it boils down to money, it would cost money to address the social issues that lead some to addictions, and we all know how fond politicians are in imparting funds to a valuable social cause......sarcasm intended.

Someone once told me.......Religion can be for people who don't want to go to hell, spirituality is for those who have already been there......
That is not to say that some religious folks are not spiritual. Some of the most beautiful people I know I would consider religious and spiritual.
 
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WHATFG

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Hey Freddy....while a counsellor, did anyone use mj to get off whatever demon they had?
 

leaffan

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Canada’s largest mental health and addiction treatment and research centre is calling for the legalization of marijuana, with strict controls that would govern who could buy weed, from where, and in what quantity.

In a policy statement released Thursday, the Centre for Addiction and Mental Health in Toronto said cannabis should be sold through a government-controlled monopoly and with limited availability and an age limit, possibly through outlets similar to provincially operated liquor stores.

“Legalization means that we remove all penalties for cannabis possession and use by adults,” said Jurgen Rehm, director of social and epidemiological research at CAMH.

“Canada’s current system of cannabis control is failing to prevent or reduce the harms associated with cannabis use,” he said Wednesday. “Based on a thorough review of the evidence, we believe that legalization combined with strict regulation of cannabis is the most effective means of reducing the harms associated with its use.”

Those harms include respiratory diseases such as lung cancer, the risk of death or disability from motor vehicle accidents, and deleterious effects on cognition, particularly among pot-smoking adolescents because their brains are still developing.

Cannabis use also can also become habitual, said Rehm, noting that about 30,000 people are treated for pot dependence each year in Ontario alone.

Given its potential harms, legalizing and controlling the sale of marijuana in Canada is an important public health measure, Rehm stressed.

Although possessing pot is illegal, a significant proportion of Canadians still use the herb. In fact, Canada has one of the highest rates of cannabis use in the world, with 40 per cent of Canadians having used it at least once in their lifetime.

In Ontario, for instance, a survey showed about the same percentage of people aged 18 to 29 reported having smoked pot in the previous year.

“We have a lot of our adolescents smoking marijuana, so it does not do what it’s supposed to be doing,” he said of criminalizing cannabis. “We push our youth, our adolescents into an illegal market, and where other drugs are sold from the same dealer.”

“And we cannot control all of this unless we legalize the substance ... plus we can control the potency and the quality too.”

Part of that control would include restricting sales to consumers over a certain age — such as 19, 20 or 21 — similar to age rules in place for those buying alcohol.

Ian Culbert, executive-director of the Canadian Public Health Association, welcomed the call for legalization by CAMH.

“The war on drugs has failed and it has done more damage than any possible good,” said Culbert. “So we have to take a different approach.”

“Canadian society isn’t overnight going to embrace this idea of legalization and regulation, so it’s a conversation that we have to have.”

In May, the association issued its own policy statement saying that “Canada needs a public health approach to managing illegal psychoactive substances that de-emphasizes criminalization and stigma in favour of evidence-based strategies to reduce harm.”

Benedikt Fischer, an addictions expert at B.C.’s Simon Fraser University, said the federal government’s insistence on criminalizing marijuana possession and use has led to “hundreds of thousands” of Canadians over the years carrying a criminal record, which can have a far-reaching impact on their lives, including being unable to qualify for certain jobs.

“And we’re not effectively deterring cannabis use nor are we effectively preventing harms,” said Fischer, adding that pricing of a legalized product is also a key element of regulation — high enough to prevent too much use, but not so high it would send people to the black market looking for a less expensive product.

“The objective is not to make cannabis as cheaply available to as many people as possible, but really to make sure that people who want to consume cannabis have a safe and regulated and controlled supply that they choose over the black market,” he said.

Fischer said the federal government already has a model in place for a legalized and regulated industry in licensed growers of marijuana for medical purposes. Recreational pot is no different than medicinal weed, he said, and there are purportedly hundreds of applications by other growers seeking licenses.

Rehm said a legalized system would need to be designed at the federal level and given the blessing of Parliament, but CAMH does not advocate following the somewhat wild-west example of Colorado, which has legalized pot but has few constraints on who can sell the product or to whom.

“That’s exactly what we do not want.”

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I would like to see the proof of lung cancer claims.

Flawed logic, control potency ie weak weed...have to smoke more for desired effect...smoking more would increase the risk of lung cancer....unless they want to control potency to a very high thc % so people would smoke less, highly doubt that's what they have in mind though.

A flawed step in the right direction, thanks for posting this.
 

ttystikk

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The 'wild west' approach is WORKING right here in Colorado, like a charm!

What they want is the illusion of free choice without actually giving up the ability to Fuck people's lives up with impunity.

Sadly, marijuana has become a lens through which we can see the democratic shortcomings of EVERY nation.

Just another bunch of fascist wannabes.
 

VIANARCHRIS

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This is one of the most fucked up call for legalization I've seen. Their arguments of harm are ridiculous, 30,000 people treated for POT DEPENDENCE in Ontario each year. What that tells us is that 'rehab' centres are getting rich by the courts creating creating a new customer base. Caffeine is far more addictive than cannabis...where's the control?! Lung cancer and driving accidents are what they use as reason to 'control' yet another part of our existence?
 

ttystikk

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This is one of the most fucked up call for legalization I've seen. Their arguments of harm are ridiculous, 30,000 people treated for POT DEPENDENCE in Ontario each year. What that tells us is that 'rehab' centres are getting rich by the courts creating creating a new customer base. Caffeine is far more addictive than cannabis...where's the control?! Lung cancer and driving accidents are what they use as reason to 'control' yet another part of our existence?
The best part about car accidents and lung cancer is that they have exactly ZERO evidence for those assertions. Why don't we simply hold government agencies accountable for lying? Fire those who don't tell the truth?

We might actually get transparent governance, but most people don't know what that is, or care to take time away from Angry Birds to find out.
 

The Hippy

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Just another example of non pot people trying to make the rules to something they know nothing about.
I mean if I couldn't speak Chinese for instance, I wouldn't go around telling Chinese people how to speak.
 

Skylor

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All it is just an excuse to keep something they do not care for, illegal. They can spin it however they like..the children will be harm, it can cause mental problems, it causes cancer..all that sounds better then just saying, hey we don't like weed and don't want others to use it either.
 
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