Police chiefs want power to seize contraband in the mail

gb123

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Canada's police chiefs want legal authority to seize mail in transit to stem the flow of illicit drugs, fake medicine and weapons through the postal system.

In a recently passed resolution, the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police say contraband is being sent through the mail "with impunity" because the law forbids officers from swooping in until a parcel arrives at its destination.

This poses a "significant challenge" for police, who must find "alternative ways to work within or around" the system to apprehend criminals, the chiefs say.

The resolution calls on the government to amend the legislation governing Canada Post to provide police with the ability to obtain a judge's approval to "seize, detain or retain parcels or letters" in the mail stream.

Canada Post delivered more than nine billion parcels and letters to some 15 million addresses in Canada last year. International mail flows through large plants in the Vancouver, Toronto and Montreal areas.

A November 2012 report prepared by the RCMP for the chiefs' organized crime committee revealed firearms, grenades, a rocket launcher, stun guns, dangerous chemicals and drugs including cocaine, heroin and marijuana were sent through the mail.

"These items represent a significant threat to postal workers and Canadians," say the chiefs, who passed the resolution this month at their annual conference in Quebec City.

"It is imperative that Canada Post and the law enforcement community develop ways to effectively work together to stop the transmittal of contraband through the postal system."

Judicial review adds 'safeguard'
Cara Zwibel of the Canadian Civil Liberties Association said she does not have serious qualms about such a legislative change as long as judicial approval is built into the process.

"I do think it's a really important safeguard," said Zwibel, director of the organization's fundamental freedoms program.

However, she does have questions about the possible criminal consequences for the intended recipient of an intercepted package containing illicit goods — someone "who hasn't yet received it and who actually may not know that it's coming, or may not have asked for it."

The 2012 report noted counterfeit items — from fake Olympic hockey sweaters to bogus passports — were also being shipped into Canada via the post office.

It called for greater collaboration between police and postal officials to detect suspicious parcels.

Privacy remains key concern
However, in a background document accompanying the new resolution, the chiefs say recent court rulings have declared postal inspectors cannot act as agents of the state when tipped by police to contraband making its way through the post.

The chiefs plan to write a letter to the federal public safety minister urging changes to the law, hopefully to be followed up with a meeting.

In addition, members of the chiefs' drug committee plan to discuss the issue with Canada Post representatives in order to further develop the chiefs' strategy for legislative amendments. The chiefs also seek the co-operation of federal, provincial and territorial justice officials.

Zwibel cautioned that any watering down of postal mail privacy could be seen as a precedent to allow easier police access to email.

"We should be careful about eroding the kind of protections that we put around what gets sent through the mail — and what gets sent electronically."
 

Mr.Head

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This makes no sense. They going to start arresting people because items were sent to their address?

What about that American politician who was sent a duffle bag of pot and the cops showed up and shot his dogs. The package wasn't supposed to go to him. If I remember correct it was misdelivered. It's all recorded on video. It's fucking horrifying. Makes me cry.

Fuck the Police. Fuck giving them more power. Canada will end up like America where they can get away with anything. We don't need that.

Fuck that. How about Police in Toronto do their fucking jobs? And get the guns that are already in the country illegally the fuck off the streets? Black kids killing black kids every weekend but no one gives a fuck. I've been screaming at my TV for 10 years now to get the fucking guns off the streets. It's not that hard, the people that have guns are not good people. Find them... it's not hard to find the bad people in society.
 

gb123

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This makes no sense. They going to start arresting people because items were sent to their address?

What about that American politician who was sent a duffle bag of pot and the cops showed up and shot his dogs. The package wasn't supposed to go to him. If I remember correct it was misdelivered. It's all recorded on video. It's fucking horrifying. Makes me cry.

Fuck the Police. Fuck giving them more power. Canada will end up like America where they can get away with anything. We don't need that.

Fuck that. How about Police in Toronto do their fucking jobs? And get the guns that are already in the country illegally the fuck off the streets? Black kids killing black kids every weekend but no one gives a fuck. I've been screaming at my TV for 10 years now to get the fucking guns off the streets. It's not that hard, the people that have guns are not good people. Find them... it's not hard to find the bad people in society.
legal guns arent the problem but our Law enforcement and government would like us all to think that,
Its the illegal firearms that they cannot stop..never have and never will be.. Hell Harper just sent a bunch of illegal arms out east that no one was supposed to know about :lol: ya...like thats any different..
 

torontomeds

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Huh? :???: He sent what where?
legal guns arent the problem but our Law enforcement and government would like us all to think that,
Its the illegal firearms that they cannot stop..never have and never will be.. Hell Harper just sent a bunch of illegal arms out east that no one was supposed to know about :lol: ya...like thats any different..
 

Mr.Head

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legal guns arent the problem but our Law enforcement and government would like us all to think that,
Its the illegal firearms that they cannot stop..never have and never will be.. Hell Harper just sent a bunch of illegal arms out east that no one was supposed to know about :lol: ya...like thats any different..
sorry if I gave the impression I was talking about legal guns. I was not, I was talking about illegal pistols that find their way into this country. Police in Toronto haven't done shit in the last 10 years to stop the violence.

And while you can never catch all the bad actors in society the gun violence in toronto is far to prevalent for someone not to be turning a blind eye. Most likely due to them "just being black kids".

I have absolutely no problem with legal guns, if you own a gun in this country you've been threw the checks to get one. However I do have a massive problem with police asking for more power when they don't use the power they already have appropriately and stop the violence in that city.
 

doingdishes

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Canada's police chiefs want legal authority to seize mail in transit to stem the flow of illicit drugs, fake medicine and weapons through the postal system.

In a recently passed resolution, the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police say contraband is being sent through the mail "with impunity" because the law forbids officers from swooping in until a parcel arrives at its destination.

This poses a "significant challenge" for police, who must find "alternative ways to work within or around" the system to apprehend criminals, the chiefs say.

The resolution calls on the government to amend the legislation governing Canada Post to provide police with the ability to obtain a judge's approval to "seize, detain or retain parcels or letters" in the mail stream.

Canada Post delivered more than nine billion parcels and letters to some 15 million addresses in Canada last year. International mail flows through large plants in the Vancouver, Toronto and Montreal areas.

A November 2012 report prepared by the RCMP for the chiefs' organized crime committee revealed firearms, grenades, a rocket launcher, stun guns, dangerous chemicals and drugs including cocaine, heroin and marijuana were sent through the mail.

"These items represent a significant threat to postal workers and Canadians," say the chiefs, who passed the resolution this month at their annual conference in Quebec City.

"It is imperative that Canada Post and the law enforcement community develop ways to effectively work together to stop the transmittal of contraband through the postal system."

Judicial review adds 'safeguard'
Cara Zwibel of the Canadian Civil Liberties Association said she does not have serious qualms about such a legislative change as long as judicial approval is built into the process.

"I do think it's a really important safeguard," said Zwibel, director of the organization's fundamental freedoms program.

However, she does have questions about the possible criminal consequences for the intended recipient of an intercepted package containing illicit goods — someone "who hasn't yet received it and who actually may not know that it's coming, or may not have asked for it."

The 2012 report noted counterfeit items — from fake Olympic hockey sweaters to bogus passports — were also being shipped into Canada via the post office.

It called for greater collaboration between police and postal officials to detect suspicious parcels.

Privacy remains key concern
However, in a background document accompanying the new resolution, the chiefs say recent court rulings have declared postal inspectors cannot act as agents of the state when tipped by police to contraband making its way through the post.

The chiefs plan to write a letter to the federal public safety minister urging changes to the law, hopefully to be followed up with a meeting.

In addition, members of the chiefs' drug committee plan to discuss the issue with Canada Post representatives in order to further develop the chiefs' strategy for legislative amendments. The chiefs also seek the co-operation of federal, provincial and territorial justice officials.

Zwibel cautioned that any watering down of postal mail privacy could be seen as a precedent to allow easier police access to email.

"We should be careful about eroding the kind of protections that we put around what gets sent through the mail — and what gets sent electronically."
sounds like more $$ spent fighting our Government. there WILL be lawsuits. i think this is a mistake unless Canada Post gets educated about the laws.
are they going to seize all shipments from Tweed and other LP's?
 

SirLoweed

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The author of this article and the police chiefs sound increasingly out of touch combining terrorism, heroin and mmj together.

Pot is not the devil folks.......why continue to demonize?
 

CalyxCrusher

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Considering the LP's are floundering in terms of real world sales compared to their projected sales( i.e. stored cannabis amounts piling up in their facilities) AND the fact that one or more have former police/RCMP working for them this comes as NO surprise. Just a roundabout way for them to stem the Dispensary/CC's from cutting in on LP profits. Calling in a favor with their old police buddies. Hell I'd be less surprised to hear some of these assholes are share holders in some of these LP's, LITERALLY profiting off of the people they arrest
 
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Gmack420

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I agree with above its to prevent anyone but LPS safe shipping.... could go after yer seeds now too eh? Not sure as I don't grow.
Possibly but seeds are legal. Ps letter mail isn't checked at all. You can mail whatever you want in a letter pay the postage and it will get there. Seeds, pills, powder anything. If it fits in standard size envelope it will ship and be sorted by machine not xrayed no dogs smelling it nothing. Only parcels get looked at. But hey what do I know...
 

Jackal69

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If I was to go after say a cc mail order wouldn't you go to the nearest mail carrier. .. that would be most likely where they deliver from parcels or even envelopes. .. that would also give you customers names and addresses.
Just sayin' how easy it could be
 

Gmack420

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If I was to go after say a cc mail order wouldn't you go to the nearest mail carrier. .. that would be most likely where they deliver from parcels or even envelopes. .. that would also give you customers names and addresses.
Just sayin' how easy it could be
Courier services are almost as cheap as canada post. That's the way around Canada post. Funny story My mail man refused to deliver a order of mine that the dispensary didn't seal quite right. I was waiting for the mailman he came and went. Then I checked the delivery status of my order it said delivery attempted no answer. Well I hobbled out my door after the mailman as said what gives? He said he could smell it and refused to deliver it. I called canada post and told them what it was and that I was a legal medical user. They said they usually refer these problems to the RCMP and I'd have to deal with them to get my package. I told them that if my package wasn't in my hands in a hour I'm reporting my meds stolen to the winnipeg police and that their mail carrier can deal,with the legal repercussions in court. Guess what? 25 min later my package was in my hand delivered by the mailmans boss. I told him if this ever happens again I would just call wps and file charges. That was almost a year ago. Not one issue since.
 

Jackal69

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And I sure hope it continues that way too man
Just saying that if they wanted to throw money at stopping "grey market sales" cause technically it is ... they could
Not that they could touch a med user... but they could make it so fucking difficult to get easy meds unless it's from the bm or lps.... easy target when you have a store
 

Jackal69

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All this cc stuff sucks cause I'm nowhere near one.... would be cool to shop for meds from a store.... really get to see smell before buying... maybe sample in a lounge before ya get an o z
 

Gmack420

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And I sure hope it continues that way too man
Just saying that if they wanted to throw money at stopping "grey market sales" cause technically it is ... they could
Not that they could touch a med user... but they could make it so fucking difficult to get easy meds unless it's from the bm or lps.... easy target when you have a store
It's not gray market. If they can show the sender is selling it sure there could be a case but otherwise it's one mmj patient shipping another patient mmj. Totally legal. Packages no longer come sent from "insert your dispensary of choice" they come from an actual person. The law is always 3 spots behind reality.
 

Jackal69

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Lol when have you received free meds from a cc? Why wouldn't they sting a cc mail order by posing as a med user and reverse address.
Just saying it is easier to get them and interrupt your supply from a cc ... because if they were legal they would be like 7-11s
 
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