Please help!

BlackGrape · Feb 6, 2009

I've got a young one showing signs of yellowing, first on the tip of one of the old true leaves and now the two round leaves have turned yellow, then brown. I tried mixing in some coffee grounds for a nitrogen boost but it hasn't helped. I had it on a 18/6 light cycle but have switched it to 24 hr light because it has seemed to have slowed down the yellowing but not slow enough. the plant itself has not grown anymore since the yellowing. any ideas???

ugzkmk · Feb 6, 2009

its growing roots. you cant seem em because they under the dirt. and the brown looks like nute burn or too close to light. im not a professional.

Anotheroldephart · Feb 6, 2009

BlackGrape said:
I've got a young one showing signs of yellowing, first on the tip of one of the old true leaves and now the two round leaves have turned yellow, then brown. I tried mixing in some coffee grounds for a nitrogen boost but it hasn't helped. I had it on a 18/6 light cycle but have switched it to 24 hr light because it has seemed to have slowed down the yellowing but not slow enough. the plant itself has not grown anymore since the yellowing. any ideas???

That's not a tragedy, but bears watching. Questions
How much/often water/nutes?
How close lights?
How much light?
How loose soil?

pennywise619 · Feb 6, 2009

Mos def nute burn. do you have your baby in a slow release soil??? Might be the lights being to close, but not overwatering, leaves would be droopy...

CouchLock858 · Feb 6, 2009

nute burn for sure. Your plants dont need supplemental nutes for about 3 or 4 weeks. You know when she needs them. The lower leaves start to turn a pale yellow. Any feeding in early growth will only shock the tiny plants. Your plant will recover, but it goes through a stunting phase while it recovers. That means very slwo growth. Trust me.....less is better. Flush the plants with distilled water. And feed with distilled water only for the next 2 weeks

CouchLock858 · Feb 6, 2009

I didnt take into account your soil. Like the earlier poster asked....what type of soil are you using? Time released nutes can be too strong for some strains when they start. You may have a sensitive one. If thats the case, you can try transplanting to a different soil. Or you could wait it out and hope the seedling gets strong enough to handle the time release nutes. Remember every time you water them you release the nutes. So flushing may not be the best thing for her. Sorry that I may be confusing....but it depends on your soil.

sandmonkey · Feb 6, 2009

Looks pretty burnt. You should let 'em properly root first before adding heavy nutes.

Or it could be your soil...

BlackGrape · Feb 7, 2009

well the soil is just miracle gro (organic choice potting soil.) that light brown coloring in the soil that you might see is the coffee grounds I added after the leaves first started turning green. I don't add any nutrients unless I need to mostly because I have no money. Here's a couple pics of the plant now. the two round leaves are basically dead the first two true leaves are now exhibiting a general greenish yellow all over. I've switched to a 24 hr light cycle because it seems to have slowed down the yellowing.

BlackGrape · Feb 7, 2009

oh and to add to the last post, I don't really have a crazy setup, just a half gallon pot, organic choice miracle gro, and a 800 lumen bulb about an inch from the plant. horrible setup, I know hehe. just working with what I've got.

Anotheroldephart · Feb 7, 2009

BlackGrape said:
oh and to add to the last post, I don't really have a crazy setup, just a half gallon pot, organic choice miracle gro, and a 800 lumen bulb about an inch from the plant. horrible setup, I know hehe. just working with what I've got.

800 lumen? There are 268 lumen per watt..3 watts?

ugzkmk · Feb 7, 2009

thought it was 60 lumens a watt?

and organic choice has 2 months worth of fert.

ProPlayer420 · Feb 8, 2009

BlackGrape said:
I've got a young one showing signs of yellowing, first on the tip of one of the old true leaves and now the two round leaves have turned yellow, then brown. I tried mixing in some coffee grounds for a nitrogen boost but it hasn't helped. I had it on a 18/6 light cycle but have switched it to 24 hr light because it has seemed to have slowed down the yellowing but not slow enough. the plant itself has not grown anymore since the yellowing. any ideas???

Most deffinately nute burn and coffee grounds are high in acids and nitrogen. Young plants do not need nutrients. Not until fully estabished with roots before using nutes as there is plenty of nutrients for this tender baby in the soil. Also with new cutting or seedlings I wouldn't keep the light to close to it. Your plant is using most energy to build its root foundation not leaf vegitation.

:peace:

BlackGrape · Feb 8, 2009

yes, I know! it's really sad. it's a feit electric bulb listed as a 13w, 120 vac, 60 hz.
oh and the yellowing is still spreading, blegh!

sandmonkey · Feb 8, 2009

ProPlayer420 said:
Most deffinately nute burn and coffee grounds are high in acids and nitrogen. Young plants do not need nutrients. Not until fully estabished with roots before using nutes as there is plenty of nutrients for this tender baby in the soil. Also with new cutting or seedlings I wouldn't keep the light to close to it. Your plant is using most energy to build its root foundation not leaf vegitation.

good advice.

Anotheroldephart · Feb 8, 2009

ugzkmk said:
thought it was 60 lumens a watt?

and organic choice has 2 months worth of fert.

Yeah, just found similar...Trying to find the other...

BlackGrape · Feb 8, 2009

what would be a good bulb to put over the plant? (preferably with out breaking the bank)

pennywise619 · Feb 8, 2009

26 watt cfls 6500k daylight. You can buy a 2 pack at walmart for like 8 bucks. 2 should be good for 1 plant, and in flowering you will need at leaset 6 23 watt soft white 2700k

Brick Top · Feb 8, 2009

BlackGrape said:
I've got a young one showing signs of yellowing, first on the tip of one of the old true leaves and now the two round leaves have turned yellow, then brown. I tried mixing in some coffee grounds for a nitrogen boost but it hasn't helped. I had it on a 18/6 light cycle but have switched it to 24 hr light because it has seemed to have slowed down the yellowing but not slow enough. the plant itself has not grown anymore since the yellowing. any ideas???

How; "young" is the plant? You may have nute burn going on. It isnt wise to feed a young plant much for a while and only a 1/2 or 1/3 solution for a while when you do start. Many people kill their plants with kindness. To much water and to many nutes to soon is a common error.

pennywise619 · Feb 8, 2009

Brick Top said:
How; "young" is the plant? You may have nute burn going on. It isnt wise to feed a young plant much for a while and only a 1/2 or 1/3 solution for a while when you do start. Many people kill their plants with kindness. To much water and to many nutes to soon is a common error.

We have already confirmed that bro, read through the whole thread... :wall:

BlackGrape · Feb 8, 2009

Thanks a lot for everyones response!It's cool to see growers and tokers support eachother.

So, It's two weeks old (give or take a few days.)
I don't add any nutrients other than what is already in the miracle gro. I did first start this plant using left over soil from a bonsai tree kit. I had to transplant it to a half gallon pot because before the first week was up, the roots had outgrown the previous pot (it was a very small pot). After transplant, it was doing fine until about a few days later, it developed yellowing on the very tip of one of the blades(first set of true leaves) and then spread to the two round leaves.it's been about a week and the yellowing has spread to most of the plant (stems being the last to yellow.)The round leaves are done for and the yellowing seems less agressive but more evenly spread though out the plant. Do you think I might of shocked it by taking it from one type of soil to one that might be too strong(miracle gro?) Being afraid that it might of been a nitrogen defficiency but not having the money to buy the good stuff, I added coffee grounds to the soil about two days after it started to yellow(about a week ago). It didn't slow down the yellowing but it hasn't made the condition worse either.
should I re pot it in a different soil? change the light cycle?

Please help!

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