Plant Moisture Stress - Symptoms and Solutions

Tim1987

Well-Known Member
Everyone keep saying cal mag

Haha

But yeah. I use cal mag every time I feed. About once a week.
Well my diagnosis, is just as I expected.
You are feeding too much calmag. It's making your water really hard.
You may as well be using hard water. That's why I asked what your water was like.

You have a calmag problem. But not in the way a lot of people probably told you.
:peace::peace:
 

tylerkewl

Member
UB, I just checked out that link. Do you recommend using that spinout spray? Also, do you have any personal experience with feminized seeds? Im growing one, and there have been some light cycle moments when the timer wasnt working properly, as well as some potential light leaks coming from my mothering chamber, and I hear all these horror stories about feminized seeds turning hermie. WHen they DO go hermie, is it the entire plant? Or one branch? Ive also taken some clones from this mother. Do I need to toss them immediatly if I find that the mother has turned hermie?
Feminized seeds are all basically herms to begin with..There are created by causing stress to the genetics. Why people pay more for fem and auto flower seeds IllI never know. Except for the fact that it makes it easier for beginners..I don't see any way the quality of flower could be as good as the same genetics before stress. Anyone else have an opinion?
 

raggyb

Well-Known Member
Feminized seeds are all basically herms to begin with..There are created by causing stress to the genetics. Why people pay more for fem and auto flower seeds IllI never know. Except for the fact that it makes it easier for beginners..I don't see any way the quality of flower could be as good as the same genetics before stress. Anyone else have an opinion?
Probably true. One counter argument might be why landrace are so desirable when they are the result of decades of inbreeding? Maybe they're not so great? I got one it's a pain in the ass to grow.
 

tylerkewl

Member
Probably true. One counter argument might be why landrace are so desirable when they are the result of decades of inbreeding? Maybe they're not so great? I got one it's a pain in the ass to grow.
Ohh don't get me wrong. I am totally for genetic manipulation..That's just agriculture. We would all starve and smoke shitty weed. If not for selective breeding...
 
This plant theres a few. Theres only a few plant doing it. Maybe one or two on this plant and that plant but its weird idk. About to flip them to the flower room where i have work room, give them snother week on veg in there to stretch and neem them.
 

Gorilla Mike

New Member
You'll have abundant foliage and the pot will need watering often. The condition and mass of the foliage pretty much indicates the same with the root system.

tryinghard, thanks bro. It's helped out alot of people over the years. It's pretty basic stuff but sometimes we lose sight of the forest for the trees.

UB
Hey OneHit,

There’s a guy on YouTube and I can’t remember his name but he’s got a ton of great growing videos with his bombshell girlfriend participating in a lot of them. But how I found him was by the first video of his I stumbled onto and it was called something like, “The first four inches”. It was mind-blowing and a real eye-opener and it didn’t even have his hot girlfriend in it! He was teaching how to get a massive healthy root system by starting his seed sprouts in a 4 inch rockwool cube! Uncle Ben was diagnosing plant problems by looking at leaves and everything he says boils down to having and healthy root system and you asked, “How do I tell if it has a robust effective rootsystem?”



This guy on YouTube in the “First Four Inches” video says that the best way to get a healthy root system is to start one from the very beginning with your sprouted seed. And then he teaches how to do it! I tried his advice and it worked like a charm! He uses fabric pots (I think). When I saw this video I was growing in plastic 5 gallon buckets with holes drilled out the bottom for good drainage. I’ve been using them fine for 20 years! So my next crop I switched over to fabric pots just to see if they were any better. And everything broke BAD! But I think my mistake was I also tried experimenting with a handful of other variables too so I couldn’t tell if it was the fabric pots causing the problem cause they’re supposed to be fool-proof. Maybe they found in me their first FOOL! I’ll tell you what I discovered later was the cause of all my grief. But experimentation and recording it is always good for new growers.



When I got big I tried experimenting with auto trimmers. The only one that worked like a charm was Tom’s Tumble Trimmer. It manicured my buds perfect every time no matter what I did! And fast too! In all my growing experience its the only machine that’s worked perfectly and is still working perfectly 3 years later with no maintenance or breakdowns!
 

maui454

Member
My plants were extremely stressed this weekend. They were underwatered and now they look like this. Any tips for getting them back on track?20180827_183536.jpg 20180827_183533.jpg 20180827_183307.jpg
 

Vinny1989

Active Member
PLANT MOISTURE STRESS - symptoms and solutions (revised Jan. 12, 2009)

Quite often I hear groans from folks having leaf problems -> “Help, my leaves are cupping and the leaf edges are turning brown!”, or, “My plant's leaf tips are curling down and turning black ....what's wrong?” Unless insect damage has occurred or the plant is suffering from a severe case of calcium deficiency, the plant is trying to tell you that it is water stressed. It's hard to tell *exactly* what the culprit is, and unfortunately the “solution” the grower chooses many times is not the right one. A mis-diagnosis only serves to make matters worse by promoting further decline. I’ll try to cover some of the more common causes that can induce these common symptoms and try to offer a few simple solutions. The ultimate and correct solution is in the hands of the grower.

1. Over-fertilizing - the most common cause of leaf cupping aka leaf margin rolling, leaf margin burn, and leaf tip curl/burn is the overzealous use of too much plant food in relationship to factors such as plant size, vigor and rate of growth. The first unit of a plant to show moisture stress is the leaf at its margins and/or tips, reflected by margin rolling (cupping) or burning. Sometimes copper colored necrotic spots show in the leaf also. A hard, crispy feel to the leaf frequently occurs as well, as opposed to a soft and cool feel of a happy leaf. When you have a high concentration of salts in solution (or in the root medium) compared to lower salinity levels found in the plant’s tissue, water is actually drawn out of the plant across the root gradient in order to fix the ppm imbalance. IOW, this is a natural, osmotic response that serves to equalize salinity levels on both sides of the root’s epidermal gradient. Back off on the amount and/or frequency of plant food. Too much plant food can also burn the roots, especially the sensitive root tips and hairs, which then creates another set of problems such as nutrient deficiencies. A note for the bio folks - as soil dries, the concentration of the remaining salts rises further exacerbating the problem. Leach (flush) your pots once in a while to get rid of excess salts.

2. High Heat - the plant is losing water via it’s leaves faster than what can be replaced by the root system. The leaf responds by leaf margin cupping or rolling (up or down) in order to conserve moisture. A good example is reflected by the appearance of broad-bladed turf grass on a hot summer day, high noon, with low soil moisture levels - the leaf blade will roll in and the grass will take on a dull, greyish-green appearance. Upon sunrise when moisture levels have returned to normal, the leaf blade will be flat. Lower the heat and concentrate on developing a large, robust root system by practicing sound plant culture. An efficient and effective root system will go a long way to prevent heat induced leaf dessication and leaf margin curling by supplying sufficient moisture for good plant health. One short episode of high heat is enough to permanently destroy leaf tissue and cause a general decline in the leaves affected, which often occurs to leaves found at the top of the plant located near HID lamps. The damaged leaf (usually) does not recover, no matter what you do. Bummer in the summer. One can only look to new growth for indications that the problem has been corrected.

3. High Light - yes, it’s true, you can give our faves too much light. Cannabis does not receive full sun from sunrise to sunset in its natural state. It is shaded or given reduced light levels because of adjacent plant material, cloudy conditions, rain, debris and dust collection on the leaf surface, twilight periods of early morning and late afternoon, and light intensity changes caused by a change in the seasons. Too much light mainly serves to bleach out and destroy chlorophyll as opposed to causing leaf cupping, but it often goes hand-in-hand with high heat for indoor growers. Again, back off on the light and concentrate on developing/maintaining an efficient and robust root system. Keep in mind that all but equatorial material receive less light during flowering than during the vegetative stage.

4. Overwatering - this practice only serves to weaken the root system by depriving the roots of proper gas exchange. IOW, the roots are not getting enough oxygen which creates an anerobic condition causing root decline and root rot with the end result showing up as leaf stress, stunted growth, and in severe cases, death. <gasp!> Alot of times folks think the plant is not getting enough plant food (which it can't under such adverse conditions), they add more nutes for a "curative", and just add insult to injury.

5. Underwatering - not only is the plant now stressed due to a low supply of adequate moisture, but carbohydrate production has been greatly compromised (screwed up). Step up the watering frequency, and if need be, organic growers may need to soak the pot from the bottom up until moisture levels reach an even consistency throughout the medium especially with mixes that are heavy in peat. If severe, a little surfactant (liquid Ivory dish soap) added to the drench will help return the organics back to a normal moisture retentive state. If the pot feels light to the lift - it&#8217;s time to water. Don&#8217;t wait until the soil pulls away from the sides of the pot or leaves droop before you water.

Happy gardening,
Uncle Ben
In the overwatering section you've wrote.mat the end you state "bio folks" sorry if this is a dumb question but do you mean folks that use biobizz nutrients?? As what you have wrote about overfertilization sounds exactly like what's up with my plants and I'm using biobizz nutrients
 

Uniqueturk90

Well-Known Member
PLANT MOISTURE STRESS - symptoms and solutions (revised Jan. 12, 2009)

Quite often I hear groans from folks having leaf problems -> &#8220;Help, my leaves are cupping and the leaf edges are turning brown!&#8221;, or, &#8220;My plant's leaf tips are curling down and turning black ....what's wrong?&#8221; Unless insect damage has occurred or the plant is suffering from a severe case of calcium deficiency, the plant is trying to tell you that it is water stressed. It's hard to tell *exactly* what the culprit is, and unfortunately the &#8220;solution&#8221; the grower chooses many times is not the right one. A mis-diagnosis only serves to make matters worse by promoting further decline. I&#8217;ll try to cover some of the more common causes that can induce these common symptoms and try to offer a few simple solutions. The ultimate and correct solution is in the hands of the grower.

1. Over-fertilizing - the most common cause of leaf cupping aka leaf margin rolling, leaf margin burn, and leaf tip curl/burn is the overzealous use of too much plant food in relationship to factors such as plant size, vigor and rate of growth. The first unit of a plant to show moisture stress is the leaf at its margins and/or tips, reflected by margin rolling (cupping) or burning. Sometimes copper colored necrotic spots show in the leaf also. A hard, crispy feel to the leaf frequently occurs as well, as opposed to a soft and cool feel of a happy leaf. When you have a high concentration of salts in solution (or in the root medium) compared to lower salinity levels found in the plant&#8217;s tissue, water is actually drawn out of the plant across the root gradient in order to fix the ppm imbalance. IOW, this is a natural, osmotic response that serves to equalize salinity levels on both sides of the root&#8217;s epidermal gradient. Back off on the amount and/or frequency of plant food. Too much plant food can also burn the roots, especially the sensitive root tips and hairs, which then creates another set of problems such as nutrient deficiencies. A note for the bio folks - as soil dries, the concentration of the remaining salts rises further exacerbating the problem. Leach (flush) your pots once in a while to get rid of excess salts.

2. High Heat - the plant is losing water via it&#8217;s leaves faster than what can be replaced by the root system. The leaf responds by leaf margin cupping or rolling (up or down) in order to conserve moisture. A good example is reflected by the appearance of broad-bladed turf grass on a hot summer day, high noon, with low soil moisture levels - the leaf blade will roll in and the grass will take on a dull, greyish-green appearance. Upon sunrise when moisture levels have returned to normal, the leaf blade will be flat. Lower the heat and concentrate on developing a large, robust root system by practicing sound plant culture. An efficient and effective root system will go a long way to prevent heat induced leaf dessication and leaf margin curling by supplying sufficient moisture for good plant health. One short episode of high heat is enough to permanently destroy leaf tissue and cause a general decline in the leaves affected, which often occurs to leaves found at the top of the plant located near HID lamps. The damaged leaf (usually) does not recover, no matter what you do. Bummer in the summer. One can only look to new growth for indications that the problem has been corrected.

3. High Light - yes, it&#8217;s true, you can give our faves too much light. Cannabis does not receive full sun from sunrise to sunset in its natural state. It is shaded or given reduced light levels because of adjacent plant material, cloudy conditions, rain, debris and dust collection on the leaf surface, twilight periods of early morning and late afternoon, and light intensity changes caused by a change in the seasons. Too much light mainly serves to bleach out and destroy chlorophyll as opposed to causing leaf cupping, but it often goes hand-in-hand with high heat for indoor growers. Again, back off on the light and concentrate on developing/maintaining an efficient and robust root system. Keep in mind that all but equatorial material receive less light during flowering than during the vegetative stage.

4. Overwatering - this practice only serves to weaken the root system by depriving the roots of proper gas exchange. IOW, the roots are not getting enough oxygen which creates an anerobic condition causing root decline and root rot with the end result showing up as leaf stress, stunted growth, and in severe cases, death. <gasp!> Alot of times folks think the plant is not getting enough plant food (which it can't under such adverse conditions), they add more nutes for a "curative", and just add insult to injury.

5. Underwatering - not only is the plant now stressed due to a low supply of adequate moisture, but carbohydrate production has been greatly compromised (screwed up). Step up the watering frequency, and if need be, organic growers may need to soak the pot from the bottom up until moisture levels reach an even consistency throughout the medium especially with mixes that are heavy in peat. If severe, a little surfactant (liquid Ivory dish soap) added to the drench will help return the organics back to a normal moisture retentive state. If the pot feels light to the lift - it&#8217;s time to water. Don&#8217;t wait until the soil pulls away from the sides of the pot or leaves droop before you water.

Happy gardening,
Uncle Ben
Over fert is only a problem when conditions are not optimum..
the plant and medium does most of the work, we only do 5 percent of the work
If the conditions were fully met plants can defend themselves

People need to learn about NPK and biochemistry, chemistry without chemicals,

kind regards
H the turk ;)

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Citylimits

Well-Known Member
Ok guessing water problem let medium dry out before watering and gave them 200ml of ph 7 water. On day 10 of life root systems look fine getting some cupping/twisting and just starting to get some slight yellowing on the tips of the critical sour deisel. Heat mat is still set at 70 to keep roots warm when night temps drop. If I didnt have the heat mat on the hygrometer would read 59 as a low. Fan was hitting more of the plants than I would like useing it more for heat displacement from the t5. So I moved t5 up a couple inches and tilted fan back right now. Soil is a seedling mix npk 000. Mixed with worm castings and perlite. Approx measurements 75% seedling mix with perlite. 15% castings and additional 10% perlite. Here are some pictures of the worst couplrits. 20190130_143346.jpg 20190130_143525.jpg 20190130_143457.jpg 20190130_143557.jpgScreenshot_20190130-145824_Amazon Shopping.jpg Screenshot_20190130-145824_Amazon Shopping.jpgScreenshot_20190130-145849_Amazon Shopping.jpg
 
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