plagron bat mix soil

bigspud · May 24, 2008

hi, i was thinking about using the plagron bat mix soil, to pot into last. for flowering. it says dont feed for 6 weeks. isit ok to still give bloom additives?? in those 6 weeks? like once or twice a week or somthing? no base feed, just bloom additive and water??

ive allways just used biobizz all mix, and fed with liquid feeds and additives.

what ya reckon?? i was going to ask advanced nutrients tech, but i want an answer lol :mrgreen:

bigspud · May 24, 2008

sorry, you can move this to the orgainc room. i didnt mean to post it in here

bigspud · May 25, 2008

i'll just tri a splash here and there, nothing to much, should be ok i whould of thout. i'll soon know if its not

hugetom80s · May 30, 2008

My rule of thumb is to avoid time-release fertilizer if you plan to do any feeding beyond that. (I don't mix time-release with regular fertilizer.)

That kind of soil is good for ferns and other houseplants, maybe the flower garden, but not for anything where top quality is really important. They're just too unpredictable - one week they could not release much, the next it could fertilize a lot. And there's no way to really tell for sure what's going on in a soil environment (hard to get a good ppm reading).

You can definitely get good results, so I'm not saying to ditch what you've got going now. Just be super careful. And if you want to avoid burning them you have to always be extra paranoid about your nute levels. That's why I don't like the time-release: you have to always underfeed just to be safe.

bigspud · Jun 9, 2008

hugetom80s said:
My rule of thumb is to avoid time-release fertilizer if you plan to do any feeding beyond that. (I don't mix time-release with regular fertilizer.)

That kind of soil is good for ferns and other houseplants, maybe the flower garden, but not for anything where top quality is really important. They're just too unpredictable - one week they could not release much, the next it could fertilize a lot. And there's no way to really tell for sure what's going on in a soil environment (hard to get a good ppm reading).

You can definitely get good results, so I'm not saying to ditch what you've got going now. Just be super careful. And if you want to avoid burning them you have to always be extra paranoid about your nute levels. That's why I don't like the time-release: you have to always underfeed just to be safe.

thanks man, that was a good read. i just use bio bizz at the moment with some AN additives. just been useing that in small dosses latly, once or twice a week and ph adjusted water the rest of the time.

ive already ordered some shit now lol, i thout id tri that supernatural terrapot. it does sound good with the humic & volic and stuff init. but it has got slow release, in layers tho. they layer soil & a soil substrate to minic how a plant whould grow in nature.

ive kept mother plants for a while, which i only feed when i think they look like they need it. get abit neglected. so hopfully i'll be ok with the supernatural. ive been in two minds about it. i seen a good grow with the supernatural 8 oz of 1 plant (tree of life) under a 600 watt mh, spose 8 oz is pretty normal yeild under a 600watt. but 1 plant, sounds good. have a few to plant, giving water most of the time is easyer long as it gives good results

cheers for your help man, appriciated

bigspud · Jun 9, 2008

and also id only be planting into the plagron batmix last. at the start of flower. there in lightmix & all mix at the moment, some are getting repotted into plagron bat mix and some into supernatural, but have already been vegged in lightmix & allmix

cheers man

Ohsogreen · Jun 24, 2008

Since, root growth is slowing as you enter flowering to near zero. I'd stay with the allmix & just use a flowering nutrient to finish with. Change is not always good. Time released stuff is OK for dear of Mom's Roses; but she isn't going to light them up.
It's a weed, best not to get too technical.... Feed weakly / weekly - cause more weed is killed with kindness & over-thinking than not !
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bigspud · Jul 5, 2008

its bat mix man. its not gonna be that different to allmix, allmix is still fed by somthing for the first 3-4 weeks i find. plagron batmix only feeds for 6 weeks.

bat shit is good shit. people sware by it. i search this and found some dudes grow. he was testing plagron batmix againt biobizz allmix. he was saying the plagron batmix was better in he's grows.

i tried the supernatural. its ok actauly. but hard to grow in im finding. wont use that again. but gonna tri the plagron batmix

it doesnt feed like all year all summin. its like same kimnd of thing that people are making up i guess

house and garden do a batmix to. batmix is good for flowering they say dude. thanks for your help tho. its all good. if its not i just wont use it again :peace:

dam them vortex are beatyful plants man!! i have 1 that looks like a appollo 13. i have 4 different clones kept back to pick from. they look so different to anything ive grown before

bigspud · Jul 6, 2008

plagrons good soil. not sure why your saying rose beds lol loads of people use bat guana for growing weed

light mix for veg and batmix for flower

i'll get back to ya's on this. but im pretty sure its gonna be good :hump:

bigspud · Jul 6, 2008

hey there, to be repotted when ready into batmix

wanted to get a few pics up, got a new 12 mega pixel cam. makes a change from fuzzy mobile pics lol. just aswell get some use out of it. had to make the file sizes smaller to be able to upload the pics not sure if that effects picture qauilty

the middle row are vortex clones, which im holding back for selection, i have the first generation sexing now. they all 4 look nice plants, 1 looks an amazing pheno, realy low wide spread branchs, almost like its been lst'd tied, but is not the smallest pheno. hope its a female, even if its male i gotta keep it. was the slowest to root tho out of the clones and also the 4th to pop from seed, looks most like apollo's ive seen. nice looking plants, short sativas kind of thing. will get some pics up of them somtime

:peace:

edit, yeah it has made the picture quality crap, i'll have to find away round that

hugetom80s · Jul 7, 2008

Looks good. I'm still not convinced the plagrons is the best way to go, but keep us updated on how it works for you.

I prefer hydroponics, so I'd rather use soil that allows me more control over feeding.

bigspud · Jul 9, 2008

will do tom, other grows look good init mind

vortex in super natural. im finding this shit hard to get the watering right. it whould suit flood and drain. its got good stuff init. its pretty much made up from volcanic rock and white peat added enzymes, calcum other stuff to

there my 2 fav phenos at the front. if shit goes to wrong in the super natural, i still have a clone of each plant to run again in soil

:peace:

bigspud · Jul 9, 2008

sub, i aint had no invoice come for my southern lights from bidzbay man. i did tri to phone today but no one home. can you send the invoive please. or do i just pay as normal? ovisly i wonna get it sent

you make sick strains, you da man

bigspud · Jul 10, 2008

tom, how often do you repeat your flood and drain cycles with soil dude?? just twice a day or summin??

bigspud · Jul 10, 2008

i got 3 males and 1 female with my 5 seed vortex. i should of started with 10 seeds

the males are pretty good tho i think

my little pheno is female, shes pretty nice looking. i "might" not get to see or smoke on what sub intented it to be like with only 1 female "offspring" bit of a shame. but but but, that lil female pheno looks beauful and simular again to a lush looking lil appollo plant awwww

ive liked that lil plant from day one, i'll have to wait and see

bit off track from plagron sorry. pics to follow 2 secs files were to big

bigspud · Jul 10, 2008

male pics.....

bigspud · Jul 10, 2008

my female vortex picture....

and my pup's. gonna get them topped and into the batmix and start sexing. the tops will be numberd and saved back for selection

bigspud · Jul 14, 2008

them querkles seem realy strong and consistent. some of the fan leaf blades are almost as long as the main stems, there wikked :hump:

just put them on 12/12 now. put them in abit earlyer for sexing reasons.

had a couple probs with my vortex in the super natural. i dont know what vortex is like with temps. it went in at about 88 which is hi. but since added another rvk 8 inch turbo extracktor, its phat as fuck. im running at about 82 now. which aint that bad for this time of the year.

supernatural wassnt for me and my tents

or hand growing. on a flood and drain it might be better.

plagron all the way. the light mix is so soft, and just planted into the batmix. and feeding with only sensizym. they look great. get ya soon

bigspud · Jul 14, 2008

and dam that jtr glowing in the middle there. that looks a fecking nice strain so far. i cant say much more because its as far as ive got

bigspud · Jul 14, 2008

clones are in the plagron lightmix. abit better than planting them strate in allmix i think, bit softer on them. its ec 1.5 the biobizz allmix is ec 2.4. all tho the allmix whould be fine. but does get the tips as much

the plagron light fills abit softer to then the biobizz allmix. i spect the biobizz light is simular tho not sure.

MoonMan in biobizz allmix

everything is cloning ok aswell. the vortex cloned fine. i dont have a prob with cloning. my aeroponic promagater takes care of that, when there in cubes or stones. 100% cloning rate every time unless i get to stoned and cant be botherd to get out of the chair, i might lose 1 or 2 then but rarly

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