Pest issue? Need help healing plants before they go in 4x4 bed

Kind Sir

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So i’m embarrassed, I neglected my plants a little but am not anymore. Plan is to go into 4x4 bed, but i’m just filling it up with coots mix tonight. I was thinking about transplanting my plants into bigger pots but not too big, then into 4x4.

72-76F
55-80%RH
Happy Frog W/ extra perlite and some Purple Cow activated compost (biodynamic.) Started in jiffy pots, I couldn’t get the very bottom off without ripping the roots so…


I had a fungus gnat issue, BTI and traps cleared them up. Had some thrips damage, and a bug that looked like a thrip (I have a picture,) so I used spinosad twice but still see just a few.

Any suggestions? They need some water so they look worse than they are, but I wanted to transplant tonight.
 

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Hollatchaboy

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They look a little better in person, honestly a few look great but they’re droopy atm
I just started having a problem with thrips. I sprayed them yesterday with Dr. Zymes. I'm supposed to do it 3 days in a row, but I'm not home again till Thursday, so I'll spray again then, and again on Friday. I'll let you know how it goes.
 

Kind Sir

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I just started having a problem with thrips. I sprayed them yesterday with Dr. Zymes. I'm supposed to do it 3 days in a row, but I'm not home again till Thursday, so I'll spray again then, and again on Friday. I'll let you know how it goes.
Did you look at my pics? do those look like thrips? I literally sprayed spinosad directly on these guys, I drenched my plants twice. Could it be something else?
 

myke

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One thing you have to learn like I did is cover up that dirt,organic dies when you let it get that dry.Your plants look hungry but ill bet theirs food they just cant get at it because the micros have died off.Im sure youve read northwoods thread.he always talks about that mulch layer as the next rounds food.
I now run sips with lids,watering was hard for me with life/work but not anymore,my top layer is always moist and alive, ewc stays fluffy.
Hope this helps.
 

Hollatchaboy

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One thing you have to learn like I did is cover up that dirt,organic dies when you let it get that dry.Your plants look hungry but ill bet theirs food they just cant get at it because the micros have died off.Im sure youve read northwoods thread.he always talks about that mulch layer as the next rounds food.
I now run sips with lids,watering was hard for me with life/work but not anymore,my top layer is always moist and alive, ewc stays fluffy.
Hope this helps.
Nice man. I just started my earth box last night.
 

Hollatchaboy

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Did you look at my pics? do those look like thrips? I literally sprayed spinosad directly on these guys, I drenched my plants twice. Could it be something else?
It's hard to tell from your pics.
I get leaf damage that looks like this....
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All I can find has been this.... although I've seen a few adults under the leaves....
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Hollatchaboy

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One thing you have to learn like I did is cover up that dirt,organic dies when you let it get that dry.Your plants look hungry but ill bet theirs food they just cant get at it because the micros have died off.Im sure youve read northwoods thread.he always talks about that mulch layer as the next rounds food.
I now run sips with lids,watering was hard for me with life/work but not anymore,my top layer is always moist and alive, ewc stays fluffy.
Hope this helps.
Do you use worms in your sips?
 

Kind Sir

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One thing you have to learn like I did is cover up that dirt,organic dies when you let it get that dry.Your plants look hungry but ill bet theirs food they just cant get at it because the micros have died off.Im sure youve read northwoods thread.he always talks about that mulch layer as the next rounds food.
I now run sips with lids,watering was hard for me with life/work but not anymore,my top layer is always moist and alive, ewc stays fluffy.
Hope this helps.
I’ll start using mulch when the plants are small like this and not just when they’re bigger. As for where i’m at now, my goal is to get these into the 4x4 bed. I’m just mixing up the soil for it, so I was thinking i should transplant these guys one last time?

Some of the plants are wet, any tips for transplanting them or just wait in general? I’m worried about how these look.
 

Hollatchaboy

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I’ll start using mulch when the plants are small like this and not just when they’re bigger. As for where i’m at now, my goal is to get these into the 4x4 bed. I’m just mixing up the soil for it, so I was thinking i should transplant these guys one last time?

Some of the plants are wet, any tips for transplanting them or just wait in general? I’m worried about how these look.
How old are they? Happy farm is only good for about a month give or take. At the very least they're gonna need food.
 

kratos015

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A good rule of thumb to follow is that where there are fungus gnats = overwatering.

Very difficult (if not impossible) for gnats to exist in a properly watered grow. Plants that size should only need to be watered every 2-3 days.

9/10 issues with growing plants is water related. Lay off the watering for a few days and take it easy. Plants will fix themselves up, in time. You're only in veg, so these issue can easily be corrected. Hold off on triggering 12/12 until you get watering down pat.

Overwatered plants take a while to truly recover. Don't rush things, give them time to get used to properly being watered, then transplant them.

My advice: Improve watering practices and cover the tops of your pots with sand so the gnats can't lay more eggs in your soil. Wait 2 weeks at a bare minimum (up to 4 weeks, preferably) to ensure all the gnats are eliminated, your watering practices are better, and that the plants are healthy. Then you can think about triggering 12/12.



Did you look at my pics? do those look like thrips? I literally sprayed spinosad directly on these guys, I drenched my plants twice. Could it be something else?
Spinosad is a form of bacteria, very similar to the good guys in our soil. That being said, Spinosad doesn't work immediately. The Spinosad sprayings are simply allowing the bacterial spinosad population to form on the plants themselves, once the Spinosad/BTI is the dominant predator, then you will see results but not until then.

This is why Spinosad is typically used as a preventative measure and not an actual poison. You want bugs to die in short order? Habanero spray. Whatever bugs don't die immediately will die within 24-48 hours. The catch is that the pepper spray needs to be applied 2-3 times a week, as pests can always just ignore your plants for a few days until the capsasin evaporates from the plant's leaves.

Typically, if you're visibly seeing an infestation it is already too late and the name of the game is damage control at that point. Pepper spray will eliminate most (if not all) pests. Ever eaten a habanero pepper or a salsa made from habaneros? Shit is literal fire. If it does that to a human's mouth, imagine what happens to a gnat/caterpillar/moth/mite/etc when they eat it. They legit die of shock, or they starve to death because they don't want to eat the habanero pepper infused leaves.

Literally kill them with fire.


Ok good. I'm afraid to use them cuz I've heard they can get thru the holes in the plastic deck into the res of the earth box.
They totally can, but if the worms are trying that desperately to get out of the pots and seek refunge in the res of your earth box then you likely have greater issues than simply worms leaving the pots.

Think of it this way, if your worms are trying to "run away" from your soil then things are already likely out of whack. A worm is a very simple creature, like us in fact. It just wants a place to live, a place to fuck, and food to eat.

If your worms are leaving your pots then that means they either; can't live there, can't fuck there, or can't eat there. Common reasons for your worms trying to leave your pots/no-till beds would be the same issues that cause your plants to suffer.

- Under/overwatering
- highly acidic conditions (often cause by overwatering)
- insufficient food/bedding
- pests/predators

Pretty much, if your worms are actively crawling out of and away from your pots, your plants are doing much worse.

Worms can crawl away (into dry surfaces and exposed to direct sunlight, both of which they HATE) to find better living conditions. Your roots on the other hand? They're stuck. If worms are actively avoiding the pots you put them in, you should be more concerned about your plants than the worms at that point.

All the best.
 

Hollatchaboy

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A good rule of thumb to follow is that where there are fungus gnats = overwatering.

Very difficult (if not impossible) for gnats to exist in a properly watered grow. Plants that size should only need to be watered every 2-3 days.

9/10 issues with growing plants is water related. Lay off the watering for a few days and take it easy. Plants will fix themselves up, in time. You're only in veg, so these issue can easily be corrected. Hold off on triggering 12/12 until you get watering down pat.

Overwatered plants take a while to truly recover. Don't rush things, give them time to get used to properly being watered, then transplant them.

My advice: Improve watering practices and cover the tops of your pots with sand so the gnats can't lay more eggs in your soil. Wait 2 weeks at a bare minimum (up to 4 weeks, preferably) to ensure all the gnats are eliminated, your watering practices are better, and that the plants are healthy. Then you can think about triggering 12/12.





Spinosad is a form of bacteria, very similar to the good guys in our soil. That being said, Spinosad doesn't work immediately. The Spinosad sprayings are simply allowing the bacterial spinosad population to form on the plants themselves, once the Spinosad/BTI is the dominant predator, then you will see results but not until then.

This is why Spinosad is typically used as a preventative measure and not an actual poison. You want bugs to die in short order? Habanero spray. Whatever bugs don't die immediately will die within 24-48 hours. The catch is that the pepper spray needs to be applied 2-3 times a week, as pests can always just ignore your plants for a few days until the capsasin evaporates from the plant's leaves.

Typically, if you're visibly seeing an infestation it is already too late and the name of the game is damage control at that point. Pepper spray will eliminate most (if not all) pests. Ever eaten a habanero pepper or a salsa made from habaneros? Shit is literal fire. If it does that to a human's mouth, imagine what happens to a gnat/caterpillar/moth/mite/etc when they eat it. They legit die of shock, or they starve to death because they don't want to eat the habanero pepper infused leaves.

Literally kill them with fire.




They totally can, but if the worms are trying that desperately to get out of the pots and seek refunge in the res of your earth box then you likely have greater issues than simply worms leaving the pots.

Think of it this way, if your worms are trying to "run away" from your soil then things are already likely out of whack. A worm is a very simple creature, like us in fact. It just wants a place to live, a place to fuck, and food to eat.

If your worms are leaving your pots then that means they either; can't live there, can't fuck there, or can't eat there. Common reasons for your worms trying to leave your pots/no-till beds would be the same issues that cause your plants to suffer.

- Under/overwatering
- highly acidic conditions (often cause by overwatering)
- insufficient food/bedding
- pests/predators

Pretty much, if your worms are actively crawling out of and away from your pots, your plants are doing much worse.

Worms can crawl away (into dry surfaces and exposed to direct sunlight, both of which they HATE) to find better living conditions. Your roots on the other hand? They're stuck. If worms are actively avoiding the pots you put them in, you should be more concerned about your plants than the worms at that point.

All the best.
Id be more worried that they just happened across one of the holes in the plastic deck and wiggle thru it on accident.
 

Kind Sir

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Will reply later, getting tad more sleep today. That was a beautiful walk of text my guy, very informative.






A good rule of thumb to follow is that where there are fungus gnats = overwatering.

Very difficult (if not impossible) for gnats to exist in a properly watered grow. Plants that size should only need to be watered every 2-3 days.

9/10 issues with growing plants is water related. Lay off the watering for a few days and take it easy. Plants will fix themselves up, in time. You're only in veg, so these issue can easily be corrected. Hold off on triggering 12/12 until you get watering down pat.

Overwatered plants take a while to truly recover. Don't rush things, give them time to get used to properly being watered, then transplant them.

My advice: Improve watering practices and cover the tops of your pots with sand so the gnats can't lay more eggs in your soil. Wait 2 weeks at a bare minimum (up to 4 weeks, preferably) to ensure all the gnats are eliminated, your watering practices are better, and that the plants are healthy. Then you can think about triggering 12/12.





Spinosad is a form of bacteria, very similar to the good guys in our soil. That being said, Spinosad doesn't work immediately. The Spinosad sprayings are simply allowing the bacterial spinosad population to form on the plants themselves, once the Spinosad/BTI is the dominant predator, then you will see results but not until then.

This is why Spinosad is typically used as a preventative measure and not an actual poison. You want bugs to die in short order? Habanero spray. Whatever bugs don't die immediately will die within 24-48 hours. The catch is that the pepper spray needs to be applied 2-3 times a week, as pests can always just ignore your plants for a few days until the capsasin evaporates from the plant's leaves.

Typically, if you're visibly seeing an infestation it is already too late and the name of the game is damage control at that point. Pepper spray will eliminate most (if not all) pests. Ever eaten a habanero pepper or a salsa made from habaneros? Shit is literal fire. If it does that to a human's mouth, imagine what happens to a gnat/caterpillar/moth/mite/etc when they eat it. They legit die of shock, or they starve to death because they don't want to eat the habanero pepper infused leaves.

Literally kill them with fire.




They totally can, but if the worms are trying that desperately to get out of the pots and seek refunge in the res of your earth box then you likely have greater issues than simply worms leaving the pots.

Think of it this way, if your worms are trying to "run away" from your soil then things are already likely out of whack. A worm is a very simple creature, like us in fact. It just wants a place to live, a place to fuck, and food to eat.

If your worms are leaving your pots then that means they either; can't live there, can't fuck there, or can't eat there. Common reasons for your worms trying to leave your pots/no-till beds would be the same issues that cause your plants to suffer.

- Under/overwatering
- highly acidic conditions (often cause by overwatering)
- insufficient food/bedding
- pests/predators

Pretty much, if your worms are actively crawling out of and away from your pots, your plants are doing much worse.

Worms can crawl away (into dry surfaces and exposed to direct sunlight, both of which they HATE) to find better living conditions. Your roots on the other hand? They're stuck. If worms are actively avoiding the pots you put them in, you should be more concerned about your plants than the worms at that point.

All the best.
 

Kind Sir

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@green_machine_two9er

Could you check this out? I fudged up not just putting them in bigger PLASTIC pots from the beginning. I’m thinking i’m going to transplant tonight into like 4-5 gallon pots and let them heal? I fixed my fungus gnat issue, as far as I know… but Inhave these other pests too. Check the pic, the purple one. Thought it was thrips, used spinosad twice.

It’s just
-Happy frog (have ocean forest too)
-extra perlite
-Coast of Maine compost (just a touch)
-mycos
 

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green_machine_two9er

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@green_machine_two9er

Could you check this out? I fudged up not just putting them in bigger PLASTIC pots from the beginning. I’m thinking i’m going to transplant tonight into like 4-5 gallon pots and let them heal? I fixed my fungus gnat issue, as far as I know… but Inhave these other pests too. Check the pic, the purple one. Thought it was thrips, used spinosad twice.

It’s just
-Happy frog (have ocean forest too)
-extra perlite
-Coast of Maine compost (just a touch)
-mycos
I’m to tired tonight. I’ll check back in the morning. I think watering practices are the real problem here. How often snd whst volume are you watering?
 

Kind Sir

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I’m to tired tonight. I’ll check back in the morning. I think watering practices are the real problem here. How often snd whst volume are you watering?

I ended up transplanting everything last night into 4-5 gallon pots. I probably was overwatering them, ontop of them not liking the jiffy pots. I don’t measure my waterings or anything at all, was being neglectful. Starting a notebook tonight. I’m sure they’ll turn out fine. Now I have this 4x4 bed being unused.


Should update your grow log my guy!
 

green_machine_two9er

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I ended up transplanting everything last night into 4-5 gallon pots. I probably was overwatering them, ontop of them not liking the jiffy pots. I don’t measure my waterings or anything at all, was being neglectful. Starting a notebook tonight. I’m sure they’ll turn out fine. Now I have this 4x4 bed being unused.


Should update your grow log my guy!
I’m guessing underwatering. Watering practice is like any other. Sports music or whatever is practiced. Spend more time making notes and watching what happens when your closer to good habits.

water everyday, write it down.
its 10x more difficult to water a bed

check in Ive been updating. My latest post have the new 4x8 grassroots with blusoak manifold. It’s sick!!
 

Kind Sir

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The ones that look worse were in jiffy pots and I didn’t topdress or whatnot in time, same soil as other ones. I transplanted them last night, and am paying attention to the grow now.I justtopped them a few days ago and am letting them bounce back before LST. Then deciding if im putting (I hope) 4 females in the bed or starting a new set in the bed.

I just finished one the size of the whole room, just neglected it some. Will check it now, mine is going to be very similar so going to be bouncing thoughts with you
 

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