Parents!!!!! Growing with younger children... Do you explain?

Have a heart. Vote Libertarian
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guess you don't practice what you preach?

Carthoris said:

You don't appear to understand that everything is interstate trade according to the SCOTUS and the federal government. A new president could/would throw all that out the window. Marijuana is illegal without a new law being passed. Marijuana is currently Illegal but ignored. I take it that you didn't read this:
read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wickard_v._Filburn

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I did and it had little or no content related to marijuana its about wheat and prices. After skimming it over, its about federal power to extert power over crops. That decision has almost NOTHING to do with marijuana. The cole memo is explicit for the regulation of marijuana within a legalized state. Wickard v. Filburn is about WHEAT not weed. Its comparing apples to oranges. But the power to regulate commerce is already explained in the cole memo, so its redundant to mention Wickard v. Filburn... Total waste of my time to read it.

The info I mentioned is constantly referenced by several attorneys on the marijuana control board. I dont consider you an actual attorney, so in my mind they are the authority, not you and your wikipedia reference. I'm merely repeating how how _legal_ state run marijuana is and what directives they are working under. I attend the public hearings the board meetings so I have an actual reference to go by.

In my opinion, the legal states are somewhat in conflict with federal laws, but allowances and carveouts have been given. And the state understands there are strict guidelines they have to follow.

Anyways, you are speculating on _IF_ the president decides to change legalization, there should be enough checks and balances in congress to reverse his decision.

while this may be a sensitive subject please refrain from name calling, harassment or threatening messages on here.
debate like adults and remain calm.

we all have our views on the subject and clear calm and properly worded debates open peoples minds better than calling someone a fucking douchebag asshole who deserves to die in a fire or some shit.

sunni said:

a fucking douchebag asshole who deserves to die in a fire or some shit.

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Tham thats harsh!

upinthesticks said:

So I'm just curious how you guys appeoach gardening along with parenting. I've got four kids myself ranging from 18 months to 10yrs, legally grow for medical reasons in Maine. It's been kind of muddy waters for my wife and I in figuring out who gets what information, and how closely to connect the actual gardening and time with the family. My kids are around everything, and they desperately just want to garden with me and help and learn because that's what kids do... But that's where I've drawn my line. Absolutely no touching or helping, and they know its serious.

Do you explain what it is and what you are doing, or do you do your best to avoid and hide it?

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I handle it the way I try my best to handle everything with my 5 year old, I tell her the truth, with age appropriate details.

My plants are organic and safe to be around. No pesticides or chemicals.
She knows how and why we compost and why Daddy grows flowers for medicine.
She has her pumpkin patch and her cucumbers and we enjoy being outside.
I am not ashamed of what I do and I have a professional job M-F , her Mom is a nurse, so she knows you must work hard to have the things you want.

D'sNuts said:

I handle it the way I try my best to handle everything with my 5 year old, I tell her the truth, with age appropriate details.

My plants are organic and safe to be around. No pesticides or chemicals.
She knows how and why we compost and why Daddy grows flowers for medicine.
She has her pumpkin patch and her cucumbers and we enjoy being outside.
I am not ashamed of what I do and I have a professional job M-F , her Mom is a nurse, so she knows you must work hard to have the things you want.

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I like your style. I think you've handled the situation very well. I agree that age appropriate truth is best. Im not ashamed either, and When it's suggested I should be hiding it completely, it makes me feel like I'm doing something shameful, which I don't agree that I am.

We are also both working professionals, just trying to make the healthiest decisions we can as we go along and figure this out. We are not the typical 'unemployed stoners' that another poster had kind of referred that I might be.

Carthoris said:

Dressing up like Jesus and having sex with your wife while she is wearing a nun outfit is legal too. That doesn't mean it responsible to have your kids participate.

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Try it with your wife dressed up as Jesus. Way more naughty that way.

LOL my lil one thinks they are "flowers" he loves them... he sniffs the leaves... he grabs scissors at harvest and he trims (well has a go) ..... my older one knows what it is and thinks they look good in the garden!....... ! I mean for heaven sake God put everything here - its just a plant - it can't be classified as bad... unless you wanna go and call God a drug distributing criminal and climb up on a cloud to catch him and lock him away inna prison box.

upinthesticks said:

I just don't understand how parents go about this. I just know I need the medicine, and cannot afford what I need.. You know?

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I used pretty much exactly what you said here when I went about it. Mine were 9 and 13 when I started growing and in my situation, I treated it like I try to do with most "uncomfortable" subjects - told them the truth. I am a very avid gardener and my medicine grows in the raised beds right along with my beans, tomatoes, squash, etc. They know I am in near-constant pain from a serious back injury and I told them that the plants produce what I have found to be the best medicine for me, and the only one that can do what I need without making me very sick. I explained that I grow it not just because I enjoy the work, but because the expense would be too great if I had to buy it like drugs you get at the pharmacy. They get it. It's that simple.

I only use it late at night to dull the pain and relax me enough that I can get some sleep, and they have never seen me consume it and I do my best to not even let them see me under its influence. To them, it's just like Mom going into our bathroom to down a couple of Tylenol if she has a headache. They know it's there when I need it, and that's really about all there is to it.

I like the way how people cling to the word 'Medicine'. Here in the Uk thats pretty much a joke but you Yanks have jumped on that band wagon so hard you broke the axle.

The flip side of the coin is that medicines are made with rules, regulations and strict dosing protocals. I cant think of many medicines that present the same scenarios as marijuana plus have been so widley idolised and stylised.

Ultimitaley if marijuana was a highly regulated medicine the doses would be far smaller and you would not be blazing that sh!t up all weekend long, that and only a couple of canibinols would be initially liscenced making the rest not needed and thus taking away from the pleasure sensations.

This is an objectional view as uk usa are different places and if it was ever legalized here it would just be legal for everyone like Amsterdam not all that medical stuff you got going on.

Healthcare free here too!
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xxMissxx said:

LOL my lil one thinks they are "flowers" he loves them... he sniffs the leaves... he grabs scissors at harvest and he trims (well has a go) ..... my older one knows what it is and thinks they look good in the garden!....... ! I mean for heaven sake God put everything here - its just a plant - it can't be classified as bad... unless you wanna go and call God a drug distributing criminal and climb up on a cloud to catch him and lock him away inna prison box.

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Yes in a perfect society but round here it wouldnt be like that, it would be fucked up hence why it aint legal.

I submit that if any of you live in or close to a perfect society then yes id be cool with my kids knowing because theres no chance they gona be stoners at age 14.

xxMissxx said:

LOL my lil one thinks they are "flowers" he loves them... he sniffs the leaves... he grabs scissors at harvest and he trims (well has a go) ..... my older one knows what it is and thinks they look good in the garden!....... ! I mean for heaven sake God put everything here - its just a plant - it can't be classified as bad... unless you wanna go and call God a drug distributing criminal and climb up on a cloud to catch him and lock him away inna prison box.

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You.are.awesome!

Bacala said:

I used pretty much exactly what you said here when I went about it. Mine were 9 and 13 when I started growing and in my situation, I treated it like I try to do with most "uncomfortable" subjects - told them the truth. I am a very avid gardener and my medicine grows in the raised beds right along with my beans, tomatoes, squash, etc. They know I am in near-constant pain from a serious back injury and I told them that the plants produce what I have found to be the best medicine for me, and the only one that can do what I need without making me very sick. I explained that I grow it not just because I enjoy the work, but because the expense would be too great if I had to buy it like drugs you get at the pharmacy. They get it. It's that simple.

I only use it late at night to dull the pain and relax me enough that I can get some sleep, and they have never seen me consume it and I do my best to not even let them see me under its influence. To them, it's just like Mom going into our bathroom to down a couple of Tylenol if she has a headache. They know it's there when I need it, and that's really about all there is to it.

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Well done. My kids (older) are very aware of the relief that it brings me. They don't know exactly what the final product is, or how it is used, but they definitely know that it helps daddy.

2Hearts said:

I like the way how people cling to the word 'Medicine'. Here in the Uk thats pretty much a joke but you Yanks have jumped on that band wagon so hard you broke the axle.

The flip side of the coin is that medicines are made with rules, regulations and strict dosing protocals. I cant think of many medicines that present the same scenarios as marijuana plus have been so widley idolised and stylised.

Ultimitaley if marijuana was a highly regulated medicine the doses would be far smaller and you would not be blazing that sh!t up all weekend long, that and only a couple of canibinols would be initially liscenced making the rest not needed and thus taking away from the pleasure sensations.

This is an objectional view as uk usa are different places and if it was ever legalized here it would just be legal for everyone like Amsterdam not all that medical stuff you got going on.

Healthcare free here too!
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I agree that the medicine classification and how it's distributed and used can be foggy, but to dispute it as a medicine is foolish, in my opinion. It is medicine.

I 100% agree with legalizing for recreation. But I also KNOW that is is useful medicine. It is WAY better And WAY more useful than pumping alllll those other pills they call medicine into people's mouths.

I dealt with the medical field for a decade and a notebook full of doctors, pill after pill. No relief like from herb.

upinthesticks said:

I agree that the medicine classification and how it's distributed and used can be foggy, but to dispute it as a medicine is foolish, in my opinion. It is medicine.

I 100% agree with legalizing for recreation. But I also KNOW that is is useful medicine. It is WAY better And WAY more useful than pumping alllll those other pills they call medicine into people's mouths.

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Two points dude

1. I dont agree marijuana should be made legal again but i agree they were wrong to criminalize it in the first place.

2. If the GOVERMENTS hadnt criminalized it in the first place it wouldnt have all the problems that go with it today and probably no stigma. You want to go back to those days and it has alreadu been cited by cleverer people than you and me that we can never go back only forward.

Try looking at it from more angles....

2Hearts said:

I like the way how people cling to the word 'Medicine'. Here in the Uk thats pretty much a joke but you Yanks have jumped on that band wagon so hard you broke the axle.

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I don't disagree with your sentiment, but the fact that the law has been abused does not diminish the benefit I and others gain from the legitimate, legal use of the drug/medicine. I did not use weed recreationally before giving it a try for pain relief, and I do not use it recreationally now, eight years later.

Are you aware of the strain Charlotte's Web? I don't think anyone with a soul could say marijuana is not medicine if they know the benefits CW provides for very seriously ill patients. If you don't already know about this, Google it and spend just a little time researching. You might change your tune.

2Hearts said:

I like the way how people cling to the word 'Medicine'. Here in the Uk thats pretty much a joke but you Yanks have jumped on that band wagon so hard you broke the axle.

The flip side of the coin is that medicines are made with rules, regulations and strict dosing protocals. I cant think of many medicines that present the same scenarios as marijuana plus have been so widley idolised and stylised.

Ultimitaley if marijuana was a highly regulated medicine the doses would be far smaller and you would not be blazing that sh!t up all weekend long, that and only a couple of canibinols would be initially liscenced making the rest not needed and thus taking away from the pleasure sensations.

This is an objectional view as uk usa are different places and if it was ever legalized here it would just be legal for everyone like Amsterdam not all that medical stuff you got going on.

Healthcare free here too!
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Well i guess everyone has there own views on marijuana but i grew up around it and knew about it since i was 6 and i never had a problem with mj. I dont think is addictive i havent smoked in about 2 years. And its not as bad as alcohol wich did get me in trouble got DUI and i think should be banned or regulated to the point where you could tell someone that enough is enough and we should all have breathelizers in our cars but weed no i think its much more normal here in US than europe.
Oh and dont mind my last post was just trolling.

Oh yer dude canibinols from mj are used in transplants and bone grafts but these are highly synthesised in labs, theres no doubt that certain canibinols have help the medical world in many aplications but were being very politically correct when the truth is mj is a different thing to what one would truly class as medicinal use. People tout the medicinal benifits of most plants and herbs and i think thats more the level were debating.

Also medical mj will NEVER happen in the Uk, if it sid 70% of the population would be ill and on benefits, there is no way our society wouldnt abuse the crap out of it, like blatently.

There is very few who bother to campaign for medicinal marijuana here and even fewer that think its ok for children to be involved or told about marijuana past its dangers.

I think your a minority amongst parents?

2Hearts said:

Oh yer dude canibinols from mj are used in transplants and bone grafts but these are highly synthesised in labs, theres no doubt that certain canibinols have help the medical world in many aplications but were being very politically correct when the truth is mj is a different thing to what one would truly class as medicinal use. People tout the medicinal benifits of most plants and herbs and i think thats more the level were debating.

Also medical mj will NEVER happen in the Uk, if it sid 70% of the population would be ill and on benefits, there is no way our society wouldnt abuse the crap out of it, like blatently.

There is very few who bother to campaign for medicinal marijuana here and even fewer that think its ok for children to be involved or told about marijuana past its dangers.

I think your a minority amongst parents?

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I think you brought up an important point. Whether you think we should only be informing them of the bad, or if you allow them to see the good. My motive was that I didn't want them to only hear the negative, or even hear that first. Certainly, certainly explain the dangers, kids don't touch or use... But they also need to understand some people use it to great benefit.

It is beginning to be more widely and socially accepted, long ways to go still. But our behaviors will have to change as the societal view changes, no?

upinthesticks said:

I think you brought up an important point. Whether you think we should only be informing them of the bad, or if you allow them to see the good. My motive was that I didn't want them to only hear the negative, or even hear that first. Certainly, certainly explain the dangers, kids don't touch or use... But they also need to understand some people use it to great benefit.

It is beginning to be more widely and socially accepted, long ways to go still. But our behaviors will have to change as the societal view changes, no?

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Your making your kids sound WAY more mature than kids are (the word kids defines immaturity ). Drug teaching in schools has diversified and is a much more open subject thesedays so youll be happy to know but the policy is drugs are bad and they dont bring in half a pound of columbian gold as a show and tell or explain how you gain access to the good shit through hydroponics.

Your kids experiences as a child will influence the rest of their lives. Yor relying on a lot of ifs and buts with how your kids develop. How many out of ten kids you have weed and hydro gear in front of wont go on to try weed recreationally (and then maybe fuck up on drugs)?

2Hearts said:

Oh yer dude canibinols from mj are used in transplants and bone grafts but these are highly synthesised in labs, theres no doubt that certain canibinols have help the medical world in many aplications but were being very politically correct when the truth is mj is a different thing to what one would truly class as medicinal use. People tout the medicinal benifits of most plants and herbs and i think thats more the level were debating.

Also medical mj will NEVER happen in the Uk, if it sid 70% of the population would be ill and on benefits, there is no way our society wouldnt abuse the crap out of it, like blatently.

There is very few who bother to campaign for medicinal marijuana here and even fewer that think its ok for children to be involved or told about marijuana past its dangers.

I think your a minority amongst parents?

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I don't think there are real dangers to cannabis. Do I support kids using it? No, unless for serious medical conditions.

The bottom line is we should be free to choose what we put in our bodies. Period.

You are holding on to the stigma and the taboo of it. The stigma is based on lies. The prohibition is due to crooked reasons. The dangers are not what the government claims.

Furthermore, you have jumped on people for being open and honest with their children. Drugs, sex, all the uncomfortable things happen regardless.

I think it is very poor parenting to ignore these subjects and just sweep it under the rug. You can't just ignore it and let them figure it out. That's how poor choices are made.