organics, where to start?

.. ok, so i've been a bit interested in switching over to organics, mostly for the simplicity of the way organics grow.. water only sounds like something i could really get behind..
so, i've been reading a bit up on some organic mixes, and jesu, tbh, it's all a bit over whelming for a newbie, well, to organics, like me.. anyone have a good book or site or anything that they could recommend to me as a starting point? i've been reading for what seems like ages now on organics, but idk, i'm just looking for a good starting point to get my feet wet, so any advice would be greatly appreciated..

racerboy71 said:

mostly for the simplicity of the way organics grow.

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so you wont be making teas and adding various dressings to support your colony of microbes ?

skunkd0c said:

so you wont be making teas and adding various dressings to support your colony of microbes ?

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well of course skunk.. i am just over bottled nutes pretty much, i like to think.. to me, organics still seem like an easier road then bottled nutes, and i wanna see about the taste of organics vs. say bottled, and the many other benefits of organics vs bottled..

Should check out a book called teaming with microbes. There is also a book by one of the authorsof that book called teaming with nutrients if you are so inclined, feel like the first one gives you a better grasp of whats going on in your soil.

natro.hydro said:

Should check out a book called teaming with microbes. There is also a book by one of the authorsof that book called teaming with nutrients if you are so inclined, feel like the first one gives you a better grasp of whats going on in your soil.

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thank you natro. i just saw that same book recommended in the unconventional organics thread on here about 10 minutes ago..
i've also been reading a lot of the revs stuff, from skunk magazine..

Welcome to organics brotha!

First thing is first, start a compost bin and even more important start a worm bin!

I would start by reading the first couple pages on the rols thread. (Sticky in the organics section)

Then I would look at build a soil . Com and look into their coots mix with minerals. The site is awesome because it goes into detail of how much u will need for wtv size mix your going to start, takes the guess work out.

Also look into their build a box and order up a bunch of malted seeds for your enzyme teas!

Last but not least, do not, I repeat. Do not skimp out on your worm castings!

Also maybe TLO by the rev if you just want some base knowledge on soil amenents and different mixes. But teaming with microbes breaks down the soil food web and gives you a much greater understanding of the inner workings of organic IMO
Eta nvm you already know about tlo lo

foreverflyhi said:

Welcome to organics brotha!

First thing is first, start a compost bin and even more important start a worm bin!

I would start by reading the first couple pages on the rols thread. (Sticky in the organics section)

Then I would look at build a soil . Com and look into their coots mix with minerals. The site is awesome because it goes into detail of how much u will need for wtv size mix your going to start, takes the guess work out.

Also look into their build a box and order up a bunch of malted seeds for your enzyme teas!

Last but not least, do not, I repeat. Do not skimp out on your worm castings!

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yeah, i'v already been adding ewc to my fof for a few grows now..

racerboy71 said:

organics still seem like an easier road then bottled nutes,

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i can see why you would want to try organics because of the claims of superior taste etc
but what could be easier than bottled nutes ?

if you want to avoid all bottled nutes including organic nutes then you will be sourcing all your nutes from dressings and additives ?
if you list all the ingredients in super soil or a similar organic soil it has many more components than hydro using liquid nutes for example

skunkd0c said:

i can see why you would want to try organics because of the claims of superior taste etc
but what could be easier than bottled nutes ?

if you want to avoid all bottled nutes including organic nutes then you will be sourcing all your nutes from dressings and additives ?
if you list all the ingredients in super soil or a similar organic soil it has many more components than hydro using liquid nutes for example

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dude, i'm just looking for a lil help in where to start in the world of organics, if you want to nit pick my op over semantics, that's on you.. thanks for the help though..

racerboy71 said:

dude, i'm just looking for a lil help in where to start in the world of organics, if you want to nit pick my op over semantics, that's on you.. thanks for the help though..

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dude i am asking some questions so i can try to understand your thoughts, i see no need for you to get defensive about it

please explain how organics will be easier than bottled nutes, from your own personal plan
if what you say makes sense i might give it a try myself
i am always looking to make this more simple

i guess you could just buy pre made organic soil like biobizz or foxfarms etc just add water
but is that not defeating the orignal purpose of doing it all your self and sourcing the raw ingredients, worm bins etc

i guess there is different degrees of organics

natro.hydro said:

Should check out a book called teaming with microbes. There is also a book by one of the authorsof that book called teaming with nutrients if you are so inclined, feel like the first one gives you a better grasp of whats going on in your soil.

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Both of these books are awesome!! Start with teaming with microbes It paints a very clear picture of what you will be dealing with.

skunkd0c said:

dude i am asking some questions so i can try to understand your thoughts, i see no need for you to get defensive about it

please explain how organics will be easier than bottled nutes, from your own personal plan
if what you say makes sense i might give it a try myself
i am always looking to make this more simple

i guess you could just buy pre made organic soil like biobizz or foxfarms etc just add water
but is that not defeating the orignal purpose of doing it all your self and sourcing the raw ingredients, worm bins etc

i guess there is different degrees of organics

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don't see any reason why i should get defensive.. let's take a look at exactly what got my back up against the wall say to speak..
your first post you nit pick my wording in the op, and pick out the work simpler that i decided to use on a whim.. you act like i haven't been looking into or reading up on organics and don't know what all is involved, including the mixing of aact teas and sourcing raw ingredients, which is what i was really interested in doing..
here's your first post..

skunkd0c said:

so you wont be making teas and adding various dressings to support your colony of microbes ?

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now, let's compare your first post, which i took to be negative and questioning my motives in wanting to try organics, and let's compare it to say natro's first post, where he was actually useful and gave me a good bit of advice, and some where to start..

natro.hydro said:

Should check out a book called teaming with microbes. There is also a book by one of the authorsof that book called teaming with nutrients if you are so inclined, feel like the first one gives you a better grasp of whats going on in your soil.

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or maybe we can compare your first post in this thread to forever's post if you'd like..

foreverflyhi said:

Welcome to organics brotha!

First thing is first, start a compost bin and even more important start a worm bin!

I would start by reading the first couple pages on the rols thread. (Sticky in the organics section)

Then I would look at build a soil . Com and look into their coots mix with minerals. The site is awesome because it goes into detail of how much u will need for wtv size mix your going to start, takes the guess work out.

Also look into their build a box and order up a bunch of malted seeds for your enzyme teas!

Last but not least, do not, I repeat. Do not skimp out on your worm castings!

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notice any sort of differences in tone?? yeah, me either.. smh.. w/e...

phunt said:

Both of these books are awesome!! Start with teaming with microbes It paints a very clear picture of what you will be dealing with.

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thank you, will do. .

racerboy71 said:

.. ok, so i've been a bit interested in switching over to organics, mostly for the simplicity of the way organics grow water only sounds like something i could really get behind.

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i am asking you to clarify your ideas , i like simple things myself
please do not feel threatened by my questions

racerboy71 said:

if you want to nit pick my op over semantics, that's on you.. thanks for the help though..

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you are misusing the word "semantics"
asking someone to clarify their statements/beliefs/ideas is a perfectly normal part of comprehension within a conversation
why do you see this as nit picking ?

racerboy71 said:

you act like i haven't been looking into or reading up on organics and don't know what all is involved, including the mixing of aact teas and sourcing raw ingredients

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How am i supposed to know what you know, without asking questions ?
it would appear that you see any question from me as a form of "scrutiny" rather than me seeking to try to understand your position

racerboy71 said:

notice any sort of differences in tone?? yeah, me either.. smh.. w/e...

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so you finish with some bitter sarcasm

if it is this difficult to ask you questions or have a normal conversation with you without you feeling that you need to defend yourself, i do not think i will bother engaging you in conversation again, as there are much easier folk to speak with on this forum

peace and good luck with your organic endeavors

skunkd0c said:

i am asking you to clarify your ideas , i like simple things myself
please do not feel threatened by my questions



you are misusing the word "semantics"
asking someone to clarify their statements/beliefs/ideas is a perfectly normal part of comprehension within a conversation
why do you see this as nit picking ?



How am i supposed to know what you know, without asking questions ?
it would appear that you see any question from me as a form of "scrutiny" rather than me seeking to try to understand your position



so you finish with some bitter sarcasm

if it is this difficult to ask you questions or have a normal conversation with you without you feeling that you need to defend yourself, i do not think i will bother engaging you in conversation again, as there are much easier folk to speak with on this forum

peace and good luck with your organic endeavors

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Bro if I was the op , I would respond the same way. You hve bad chemical hydro boo boo vibes all over you. Chill out, smoke some organics

hydro is like chinese food

racerboy71 said:

.. so, i've been reading a bit up on some organic mixes, and jesu, tbh, it's all a bit over whelming for a newbie, well, to organics, like me..

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Almost ironic, that the organic info is often more scientific than some of the stuff people make up in what I would expect to be more technical forums.

I hope you don't mind me saying, your comment about doing it "mostly for the simplicity" imho does sort of warrant skunkd0c's reply. Someone who says he's going to switch to hydro for bigger yields will receive similar questions I hope. Many organic growers don't grow organics for simplicity but to grow organics, it's often a goal (and hobby and work) by itself. There are indeed different degrees of organics, and for someone getting into organics I think it's good to be well aware of that especially if the goal is simplicity.

I'm doing a nearly-water-only run at the moment and apart from adding microbes and funghi from a bottle and some food for them (molasses) I don't make an effort as in brewing teas or making my own compost. Not saying that's pointless at all, just saying organics can be very simple. I do enjoy the simplicity of water-only and not measuring and controlling ppm/ph, at least for now while my plants are healthy.

The saying that there are as many grow methods as there are growers is probably something an organic grower made up, which I don't mean offense, my point is if you ask 10 organic growers you get 10 different answers. I'd ask @stowandgrow for a good and simple to maintain soil mix as "a good starting point to get my feet wet" and take it from there.

foreverflyhi said:

You hve bad chemical hydro boo boo vibes all over you.

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i have only asked questions, i have not insulted anyone
i am not interested in your hydro vs organics trolling either

racer boy has a problem expressing himself coherently at least to my standards anyway
the onus is on the OP to be clearly understood

that is why i have now made the decision not to engage him anymore he has very little to offer imo

peace

skunkd0c said:

i have only asked questions, i have not insulted anyone
i am not interested in your hydro vs organics trolling either

racer boy has a problem expressing himself coherently at least to my standards anyway
the onus is on the OP to be clearly understood

that is why i have now made the decision not to engage him anymore he has very little to offer imo

peace

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very little to offer in a thread that is asking quesions, of course i don't have anything to offer in a thread about organics, that's why i started the thread to begin with ffs..
and it doesn't seem that you have much to offer either imvho.. when the other posters in this thread were kind enough to say, hey racer, check out this book or this book, and all you've attempted to do is make me look like an asshole.. i've got news for you skunk,, i don't need your help making me look like an asshole, i do that well enough on my own..
and when i said i was interested in organics for their simplicity, i was talking about the water only aspect, as that sounds pretty simple to me, no? christ on a stick..