Organic Vs. Synthetic Nutrients

Oh man that's terrible, so sorry! I am lucky to live in a rural area with very favorable weather and very few thefts. Most people here grow out in the open with no security. I don't have locks on my outdoor grow and everyone in my neighborhood can see it. I don't even own a key to my house, it's always unlocked.
I have changed my outdoor location 5 times for 15 years. and i got 3 thefts.. and in general i grow at best 8.5 out of 10 smoke outdoor at 43.2 parallel.. and i have grown shit that i can rate 9.4 out of 10 indoor.. I just had better experience with quality indoor, better bag appeal, more potent smoke.. and easier and safer to manage.
 
Oh man that's terrible, so sorry! I am lucky to live in a rural area with very favorable weather and very few thefts. Most people here grow out in the open with no security. I don't have locks on my outdoor grow and everyone in my neighborhood can see it. I don't even own a key to my house, it's always unlocked.
/ check these they compared super lemon haze hydro and organic.. they even measured all the major terpenes in each, interesting video www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dcWWF1Gt5o
 
more pinene in organic, but less caryophyllene.. in general people like seed junky genetics, sherbinski, that made gelato, wedding cake, ice cream cake, permanent marker grow and get better terpenes with synthetics.. and cannabiotix mix both synthetics and organics and all of these guys have won ton of cups and dominate the markets lately
 
and in relation to this, how would you incarcarate a person which you can't prove have killed another person for murder without proof? before making accusations make sure you have proof of their claims.. don't go silly asking the defense to do your job in finding and presenting the evidence..
That's confusing, you are the one who claimed cannabis cups = better pot so the burden of proof is on you. Truthfully neither of us can prove either claim, so let's just drop it.

To address your statement about breeders being able to grow out hundreds or thousands of plants for pheno hunting, you are 100% correct. I am very grateful for breeders both commercial and the old timers growing during the prohibition days who did that work while dodging helicopters. I will never be able to work with those kinds of numbers, if it weren't for their work what I do would not be possible. Breeders can breed using large numbers to find desirable phenos for us to buy and not participate in cannabis cups. Breeders had been selling seeds selected from large populations before there were cannabis cups. Large scale pheno hunting can happen independently of cannabis cups, one does not necessitate the other.
Let's leave it at this, you and many others value cannabis cup results, myself and many others do not. Are we good?

Now, weren't we supposed to be talking about organic vs synthetic?
 
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That's confusing, you are the one who claimed cannabis cups = better pot so the burden of proof is on you.

To address your statement about breeders being able to grow out hundreds or thousands of plants for pheno hunting, you are 100% correct. I am very grateful for breeders both commercial and the old timers growing during the prohibition days who did that work while dodging helicopters. I will never be able to work with those kinds of numbers, if it weren't for their work what I do would not be possible. Breeders can breed using large numbers to find desirable phenos for us to buy and not participate in cannabis cups. Breeders had been selling seeds selected from large populations before there were cannabis cups. Those are separate things.
Let's leave it at this, you and many others value cannabis cup results, myself and many others do not. Are we good?

Now, weren't we supposed to be talking about organic vs synthetic?
You are the one claiming the cups are corrupted. This is like asking evidence that the world champion of boxing is not the best boxer, but the guy from the gym is better boxer than him, not much logic inside your stoner head :D :D The best breeders made some of the best seed banks.. Neville was into greenhouse seeds, Mr. Nice, Sensi.. and they made the backbone of modern breeding.. The strains Neville stabilized are literally in almost everything we smoke today.. We aren't good.. Its precesily the seedbanks with the best breeders that gave the world the best genetics who won the most cups in general.. How do you explain the different levels of terpenes in this Jack Herer grown Synthetically and Organically by Green House Seeds? How do you explain so much Myrcene in the Synthetic grow?? More limonene as well in the Jack.. While Pinene is consistently higher in Organic across different strains.. Do you understand that specific strains that naturally exhibit more myrcene lets say.. do better in hydro and specific that exhibit more pinene will do better in soil? Or is this too hard to comprehend? www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GkrZdnEX10&list=PL0aD-YlXf15yEyJNFUe63CLPvof2uXBwJ&index=2
 

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The best breeders are the best growers.. they are the one that gives us all these tastes, the ones having the ability to grow thousands of plants and select the best phenos, the ones winning the cups, and the ones changing the industry.. They have way more passion than the small unknown nobodies that think they can grow better, no they can't grow better.. And i can go strain by strain side by side organic vs synthetic to show you that synthetic growing consistently gives more of certain terpenes, while organic growing gives more of other terpenes.. it's no wonder seed junky genetics grows synthetic.. and some strains do better with synthetics and other with organics..
 
You are the one claiming cup wins = the best pot. Lets stop, this is pointless.
Its pretty obvious if you have grown any amount / number of strains that some seed banks produce better strains than others.. You can't compare dna genetics / reserve privada Og kush variations with seedsman or dinafem.. they are not on the same level.. neither in cups neither in quality / expression.. real example of more cannabis cups and obviously better overall quality..
 
You don't have any argument, you have straw.. its like saying prove Usyk is the best boxer in the world, when he haven't fought the guy from the boxing gym you saw the other day, but nobody knows.. :lol:o_O was the guy you saw other day tested in the most competitive competitions in the world? Was the weed you claim might be better than the cup winners tested with blind test, across many samples given by the top companies who have grown each thousands of strains this year? Hell, no.. Its the same false equivallence. You can't understand how much out of depth you are here :D :D
 
Do you know that majority of the the most prominent cups nowadays have a methodology of peoples choice, its going out for the last 5 years..? You literally can buy the kit with strains 25-30 sativa strains lets say for $200-400 1-2 months before the competition and people like me and you vote?
 
i can go strain by strain side by side organic vs synthetic to show you that synthetic growing consistently gives more of certain terpenes, why organic growing more of certain other terpenes.
I agree you totally get different expressions, different terpenes when growing organic vs synthetic. It's kinda neat, I love playing with different growing methods and different inputs. It's part of why no two peoples pot ever turns out the same, or even different runs of strains from the same person. Terroir is a real factor it's what puts certain wine regions on the map. We are all creating our own versions of terroir with inputs, grow mediums, and lighting, whether it be indoor or out. It's fascinating to me.
 
I agree you totally get different expressions, different terpenes when growing organic vs synthetic. It's kinda neat, I love playing with different growing methods and different inputs. It's part of why no two peoples pot ever turns out the same, or even different runs of strains from the same person. Terroir is a real factor it's what puts certain wine regions on the map. We are all creating our own versions of terroir with inputs, grow mediums, and lighting, whether it be indoor or out. It's fascinating to me.
my entire point here is that some strains do better with synthetics, other with organics, and there is no clear winner for all strains of each method, thats why i mentioned that according to an old article of high times which was deleted / expired (auto-deleted) called "how to grow a cannabis cup winner" they showed that 50% are grown organic and 50% are grown synthetic.
 
Have you ever done the experiment in school as a kid where you split a celery stalk partway lengthwise and put one half in a cup with blue dye and the other in red? It's like that with nutrients. Plants will absorb what you give them, so we get to decide what we like best, I love it. Do you like the red one or the blue one best? It's up to you, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I've always been more of blue kinda guy, but there is always purple.
Have a good one!
 
myrcene, limonene, caryophyllene are higher in synthetic grows.. and pinene, humulene and linalool in general are higher in organic grows.. funny but the first three are my top 3 favourite terpenes.. caryophyllene - diesel pepper smell, myrcene - earthy, musky smell, limonene - citrus, acidic smell, found mostly og kush, chemdawg, sour diesel. no wonder lemon diesel earthy ogs are my favourite strains
 
That's really interesting, I've never made that correlation before. See thats passion.
i mean the landraces have grown predominantly without nutes for most of their history.. and more sativa leaning strains in general need less nutes, since they weren't the preferred choice for growers anyway, because of their slow flowering times. Most growers prefer faster flowering more indica dominant plants, which got used with more nutes / chem fertilizers. On the other hand the newer strains that were bred a lot between tons of plants, like check Super Boof lineage and in general the newer developed hybrids have crossed so many strains to get to them, and many of the indoor growers that they went through used synthetics. Thats why we find the guys creating permanent marker, ice cream cake, wedding cake, using synthetics.. The cookies were also using synthetics.. and the very terpenes that these newer strains exhibit are predominantly some variation of this trio "myrcene, limonene, caryophyllene" in different order and combination with other terpenes that give us these new unique flavours.. So plants develop adaption fast for specific nutes and to express certain terpenes organic growing might be preferred for blueberry terpenes, Dj Short was organic grower, the amnesia or his lavender the latter of which have more linalool by Soma might prefer organics too.. since he is organic grower too.. I read both of their books on organic growing. But seed junky genetics use synthetics and produce different unique flowers which are favored today. Today most growers and even breeders as of late use more synthetic nutes, and the strains they create with synthetics will exhibit specific terpenes which might be harder to replicate with organic nutes and vice versa for the organic breeders who produce strains with organic nutes and develop terpenes better boosted with organic nutes.
 
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That's really interesting, I've never made that correlation before. See thats passion.
Hmm actually 15 / 8 / organic / synthetics, i guess i forgot about the numbers.. I think i read this one 10 years ago :D Anyway I found the article written copied in thcpharmer just now here on 5th page.. https://www.thcfarmer.com/threads/best-products-for-crystal-content-increases.52473/page-5 / and on the 6th page Capulator the creator of the MAC strain said "I won 2nd place in the LA med cup a couple years back with synthetics. JR peters. cheap. Easy."

From high times how to grow a cup winner. Notice of the 23 winners 15 were some kind of organic. And the judges unanimously voted the best flavor by those grown veganically and with compost teas. Another part


"Experienced growers and savvy competitors know that, while organic nutrients may not produce the best weight, they do bring out the true genetic potential of most strains, including the best flavor and aroma possible."





Nutrient Programs


The first decision any grower has to make when determining how to feed their plants is whether to use synthetic nutrients or go organic. The latter has a few different levels to consider, including whether to feed the plants directly or feed the garden’s soil with microbes and then let the soil feed the plants naturally instead.





Experienced growers and savvy competitors know that, while organic nutrients may not produce the best weight, they do bring out the true genetic potential of most strains, including the best flavor and aroma possible. As a result, it’s no surprise that in our sampling of 2012 Cup winners, 12 were grown organically while eight were grown using synthetic nutrients. (Editor’s note: The growers of the three remaining prize-winning strains -- organic farmers all -- declined to divulge their nutrient regimens to HT. Must be a trade-industry secret!)





Growing With Organics


Among the 12 organic farmers who did share their nutrient regimens with us, the two most popular lines were Organicare (from Botanicare) and General Organics (from General Hydroponics); Organic FoxFarm was also rated highly. Nearly all of the organic nutrient programs were used in conjunction with soilless mixes or compost.





It’s important to remember that mixing organic and synthetic fertilizers is counter-productive to the goal of organic feeding, since most synthetic fertilizers will kill the microbial organisms that help decompose minerals and nutrients in organic mediums.





Of the remaining three organic winners, one went “veganic” while two others used compost teas. Interestingly enough, the judges’ score-cards also indicated that the highest scores in the “Taste/Flavor” category came from these three entries. Talk about food for thought!





Growing With Synthetics


Synthetic nutrients, while in the minority in our survey of winners, are still the most popular choice for the mass of cannabis growers worldwide. There are a few good reasons for this, primarily that synthetics have the potential to result in heavier yields (though often at the expense of other qualities), and also because they’re generally easier to use in application (though this is less of a factor as new organic products come onto the market).





Both General Hydroponics and Botanicare started out as synthetic-only nutrient companies and still sit atop the leader board as the makers of the best artificial nutes out there. Surprisingly, Canna -- another excellent brand based in Europe -- contributed to only one of the 23 winning grow programs, but it’s still recommended by many.
 
You simply missed the train when you thought that the best weed comes from small nobodies.. when the big fish grows 5000-10000 plants a year..

Yeah dude, no home-grower has ever popped a seed that turned out better than what the breeder found……

You hear that everybody?

You might as well zip up your tents, close your doors and turn off your lights.
There’s no point in growing anymore. All the seeds you’ve boughten and hunted through over the years are pure trash. All your equipment and efforts are inferior to what every breeder can do.

The big fish are in town at your local dispo where you can buy the REAL BREEDER’s Flower for ONLY $60 an 1/8th (which is GUARANTEED to be better than anything you could possibly EVER grow at home).
[This was narrated to the tune of the cheesy monster truck show commercial guy in my head]

You sound delusional dude.
Like a salty breeder who’s been to a few too many cannabis cups over the years.

And i didn't contradicted this, i smoke longer than you and perhaps i learned this one before you too.. since i am growing from 15 years and you from 10 years.. You are assuming i don't know this.. I was very particular in my writing about this thing too.

You kept referring to Total THC “potency” being higher with synthetic grown indica plants. I think “content” or “percentage” are the terms you were looking for if you wanted to be clear in the point you were trying to make. Anyways, I was referencing that, in my opinion, organic buds have a MORE “potent” effect. In general. Like a good homegrown organic bud that might test around 18-23% THC hits harder than some 30% bud from the dispensary, where you can read on the container which nutrient line they used.

Flavour and smell usually yes, but potency not always. Its hard to beat THC levels with grown organically chemdawg or og kush vs synthetic. Strictly in THC potency.

What does this mean? if you then go on to say…

And i never said overall potency.. I said strictly THC potency.. The terpenes in the plant make THC cross the blood barrier more or less. A plant that is 35% THC can feel less strong than a plant that is 20% i am well aware of this. I never said i am not, or contradicted this statement. We don't depend on THC alone for overall effect. But usually the highest testing THC strains are more indica leaning and they can take more nutes and more chemical nutes for that matter too..

THC Content is IRRELEVANT to the point the I’m making about Organic buds being stronger and longer lasting than synthetic. That is where YOU missed the boat, homie. You wanna debate that synthetic nutrients yield more THC than Organic grown, let’s see some data or some studies to start the discussion.
 
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