Organic Vs. Synthetic Nutrients

Chunky Stool said:

I use bone meal and a lot of guano (bat & seabird).
Am I going to die?

(Mad cow disease is *not* a good way to die.)

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i'm just saying i prefer to not use those things. i'm not suggesting that anything WILL happen to you. It's personal preference, as i stated in a post above. all about personal preferences. and yeah mad cow... no thanks but i assume that would be more of a blood thing that a bone thing???

ShLUbY said:

i'm just saying i prefer to not use those things. i'm not suggesting that anything WILL happen to you. It's personal preference, as i stated in a post above. all about personal preferences. and yeah mad cow... no thanks but i assume that would be more of a blood thing that a bone thing???

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I think it's a brain thing. From what I understand, cows were being given feed that was made from other animals. Not fucking cool -- especially since cows are herbivores!
I'm about to transplant four plants from solo cups & still haven't decided on the medium. These plants will probably end up outside, so organic soil is probably my best option. Has anyone experimented with beefing up FFOF? These plants are heavy feeders; I'm already giving them full strength DG Foliage pro + extra cal mag -- and they dig it!
I could add extra worm castings, bone meal, guano, whatever. Lately I've been favoring EcoScraps organic fertilizer simply because I got it super cheap (walmart clearance) and animals are not attracted to it. Epsoma tomato tone is a great product but I can't keep my dogs away from it.

Flowki said:

But you also have no idea where organic comes from. Ironically the animals could be eating genetically modified produce grown by synthetics. Our sea's are far from clean any more so you also don't know what poolotion is getting into the system of those fertilizers. Even clean farms, the land they are grown on could be effected by all kinds of foul play in the past or present (fracking for example). One could argue you have a much better idea of what is in synthetic feed as it's more pure. Not that I am arguing that but you certainly could.

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seems you've mistaken me for someone looking for the healthiest fertilizer to use.
for clarity.....
I say poop makes the best tasting marijuana

Anyone who uses ferts containing bat and/or seabird guano then rants on about sustainability makes me laugh or cry or throttle one of them. The habitats of both those animals are destroyed by money hungry thugs seeking to profit from supplying those ferts to the demanding "organic" market. Bat populations have been decimated by "white nose" disease. A fungus that has been spread from cave to cave by these thugs that have no cares at all about the damage they are doing.

OldMedUser said:

Anyone who uses ferts containing bat and/or seabird guano then rants on about sustainability makes me laugh or cry or throttle one of them. The habitats of both those animals are destroyed by money hungry thugs seeking to profit from supplying those ferts to the demanding "organic" market. Bat populations have been decimated by "white nose" disease. A fungus that has been spread from cave to cave by these thugs that have no cares at all about the damage they are doing.

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Pounding *LIKE* button....

Manure from my chickens and turkeys are quite sustainable. I can feed differing feed mix's to manipulate the NPK......To me, well composted steer and cow manure is like gold! Rabbit poo is another, wonderful nutrient source. I'm seeing more sustainable sourced organic nutrients beginning to appear in grow shops! (at least the good one's)

The fight against non sustainable or contaminated source products is working! Be steadfast and avoid these products! Wild bats and birds are not the only source of these effective "poo" nutrients!

during the summer months we collect our acres of cut grass and feed that to the poop machines, bunnies are the golden goose for marijuana plants. Shit for a month or two and to the dinner plate, over and over and over, and the breeders are my buddies.

chicken shit is tougher for me to work with indoors but none is wasted in the orchards here. It needs to be composted, but rabbit pooh on the other hand is ready to go!
in others I use my organicare crumbles, feel ok about them, and their performance rivals the bunny pooh grow. I skipped a couple years of bunnies and didnt skip a beat in flavor health and effects with just the organicare/pro mix/water.

(organicare says "Fish meal, sulfate of potash, alfalfa meal, composted poultry litter, and seaweed (Ascophyllum nodosum)."

when I consider my carbon footprint, running ac, dehuey's, burning propane for c02, electricity for my lights/heat and well pump...I'm embarrassed to speak of organic practice or sustainability. the organic type nutrients make my marijuana more satisfying and effective for me and mine so I stick with them.

For me it was an easy choice after I switched to organics. I grow it to catch a buzz, and organics is by far a better, longer lasting buzz. Been selling a bit to a few friends and I keep hearing back that I have the best weed in town by far. That's coming from people that range in age from 17 to 50ish.

@kkt3 I didnt really notice all that at first^. first was the looks, the smell, omg, what a difference. I flipped out and became a commercial worm farmer with 100k of them in stacked units, daily dirt, it sucked but wow! they only ate cannabis roots, thats it, and water. I got daily tea and buckets of worm compost every week. They recycled all of my dried rootballs and leaves too. way too much work for this cat, so now its bunny pooh or organicare for me for the win.

then came the entourage effect of all these new terpene profiles, ones that I didnt know before, from the same plants I cherished in hydro, they got better. From pretty good weed to award winning quality and far out effects and the smells and taste, well, you already know what the salties are missing......

In other news, cooking enthusiasts love the taste of their own food.

Observe & Report said:

In other news, cooking enthusiasts love the taste of their own food.

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they also have cooked with quality ingredients and shitty ones too....and know the difference between the two results, even though they cooked both of them .....

I'll rephrase it as: organic growers are full of shit. The improved flavor claim is totally baseless. You think it tastes better but you actually have no idea. "I've grown it both ways" doesn't add up to anything. Put the same beer in two different glasses and people will suddenly think they taste different. Bias is real and nothing any of your organic growers have ever said has demonstrated that you've even thought about how it might influence your conclusion.

Put up or shut up about improved flavor, organic growers. This improved flavor claim is no different from the improved nutrition claim.

Observe & Report said:

I'll rephrase it as: organic growers are full of shit. The improved flavor claim is totally baseless. You think it tastes better but you actually have no idea. "I've grown it both ways" doesn't add up to anything. Put the same beer in two different glasses and people will suddenly think they taste different. Bias is real and nothing any of your organic growers have ever said has demonstrated that you've even thought about how it might influence your conclusion.

Put up or shut up about improved flavor, organic growers. This improved flavor claim is no different from the improved nutrition claim.

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especially if someone was trying to convince you. I wasnt convinced either, until I grew both ways. go ahead and try it, you might or might not agree then choose your own habits and preferences

Observe & Report said:

I'll rephrase it as: organic growers are full of shit. The improved flavor claim is totally baseless. You think it tastes better but you actually have no idea. "I've grown it both ways" doesn't add up to anything. Put the same beer in two different glasses and people will suddenly think they taste different. Bias is real and nothing any of your organic growers have ever said has demonstrated that you've even thought about how it might influence your conclusion.

Put up or shut up about improved flavor, organic growers. This improved flavor claim is no different from the improved nutrition claim.

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So then, smart guy.....Never tested your product? Why then does organic show higher and more broad terp levels across the board over synthetic? REALLY more over non soil synthetic! Not to mention that some of them don't even show up in non soil synthetic!

Not mention that organic outsold synthetic sales in my shops that posted these test results at every strain display?

You call bias and you have 3 of those bias fingers pointed back at you on your own hand! Now go pour some of that beer on your hand. Get your date drunk, go home and have a good time.

Case dismissed!
Organic's, You are free to go!

I saw some of those similar lab results

Dr. Who said:

So then, smart guy.....Never tested your product? Why then does organic show higher and more broad terp levels across the board over synthetic? REALLY more over non soil synthetic! Not to mention that some of them don't even show up in non soil synthetic!

Not mention that organic outsold synthetic sales in my shops that posted these test results at very display?

You call bias and you have 3 of those bias fingers pointed back at you on your own hand! Now go pour some of that beer on your hand. Get your date drunk, go home and have a good time.

Case dismissed!
Organic's, You are free to go!

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this is very refreshing to me. my nearest store says the opposite when opened, but now say same as you, sell out of their huge tea drum, cant keep pro mix stocked either......smiling, winning

Dr. Who said:

So then, smart guy.....Never tested your product? Why then does organic show higher and more broad terp levels across the board over synthetic? REALLY more over non soil synthetic! Not to mention that some of them don't even show up in non soil synthetic!

Not mention that organic outsold synthetic sales in my shops that posted these test results at every strain display?

You call bias and you have 3 of those bias fingers pointed back at you on your own hand! Now go pour some of that beer on your hand. Get your date drunk, go home and have a good time.

Case dismissed!
Organic's, You are free to go!

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Ford vs Chevy as far as I'm concerned.
I like both.
In fact, I frequently use synthetics to give plants in organic soil a quick boost if they become deficient. Works great, and contrary to popular belief, synthetic nutes do not kill microbes in the soil -- but they can alter (reduce) the rhizosphere if used frequently. It is the plant responding to its environment that changes the soil. And it goes both ways.

Dr. Who said:

So then, smart guy.....Never tested your product? Why then does organic show higher and more broad terp levels across the board over synthetic? REALLY more over non soil synthetic! Not to mention that some of them don't even show up in non soil synthetic!

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I don't know what you're talking about, please enlighten me.

chemphlegm said:

especially if someone was trying to convince you. I wasnt convinced either, until I grew both ways. go ahead and try it, you might or might not agree then choose your own habits and preferences

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That's exactly what the flushers, defoliators, rusty-nailers, etc... say. They've done it both ways! But sighted tests conducted months apart don't tell you anything.

where do you get these "sighted tests conducted months apart" from. I grew hydro and organic side by side for years. is there some other test you refer to? I dont care really. its better, its better for me, its better for my patients. I work for them. they insist on organic feed. who am I to question that? its cheaper, tastes better, allows me vacation times, smells better, prolly better for you too.