Organic vs. Synthetic Nutrients

since1991

since1991

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Yes i actually have grown with leaf mold and compost mixes. Ive been growing.dope inside and out for many many years. Many different.ways. In greenhouses in Lake County Ca back in 1992 to nft systems in small buildings and basements in michigan. And every system or method in between. The only things i havent tried is grafting and tissue culture. I know what the fuk iam talking about. Solar panels is one thing. 99% of growers do not use them. To say organic methods indoors the way we grow indoors for environmental reasons is completely ludicrous.
 
Rrog

Rrog

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Glad that's settled then.

Anyway, just fine tuning my soil mix. Lava rock and biochar for aeration. 30 gallon geopots on roller trays. Massive custom LED. Tensiometer controlled drip from RO.
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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since1991 said:
Yes i actually have grown with leaf mold and compost mixes. Ive been growing.dope inside and out for many many years. Many different.ways. In greenhouses in Lake County Ca back in 1992 to nft systems in small buildings and basements in michigan. And every system or method in between. The only things i havent tried is grafting and tissue culture. I know what the fuk iam talking about. Solar panels is one thing. 99% of growers do not use them. To say organic methods indoors the way we grow indoors for environmental reasons is completely ludicrous.
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really?
you have used leaf mold mixes and now you are growing hydro??
Interesting.
 
since1991

since1991

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greasemonkeymann said:
really?
you have used leaf mold mixes and now you are growing hydro??
Interesting.
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It is very doable to grow in a greenhouse/outdoors with organic mixes and compost in the seasons all the while growing indoors in a climate controlled basement rocking coir slabs with "chem" (god i wish that term would die-like phenols, strands, clones and strains) nutrients on a non recovery drip system using the latest in lighting and cooling technology. Yes...you can do both. For some people its not either or!!!!! Lol
 
since1991

since1991

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Big commercial greenhouse managers shake thier heads more often than not when they hear some of the wonky shit us cannbis gardeners come up with. Our terminology, our willingness to waste money, and our refusal to accept techniques and practices that if not employed in a controlled agricultural setting for the real pros would bankrupt them within a season. Believe that!!!! Lots of "bro science" based on utter nonsense that will hopefully get weeded out as cannabis progresses towards full legalization.
 
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4ftRoots

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since1991 said:
Big commercial greenhouse managers shake thier heads more often than not when they hear some of the wonky shit us cannbis gardeners come up with. Our terminology, our willingness to waste money, and our refusal to accept techniques and practices that if not employed in a controlled agricultural setting for the real pros would bankrupt them within a season. Believe that!!!!
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What could I do to save money? I'm always willing to change for the better.

edit: the bankruptcy thing.
 
since1991

since1991

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The biggest move you can make short of growing in a greenhouse or outdoors is cut down on your consumables. That being medium : coir- reuse, mix your own nutrients or buy the least expensive bottles cuz there all basically the same, and use the most efficient lighting, air conditioning, and humidity controllers as possible. Basically its a HUGE waste environmental wise to grow indoors and it reflects in our power bills. If cannabis didnt have such an outrageous profit margin no one would grow indoors. And as prices continue to fall with legalization we all soon will not be. The future is outdoors and controlled greenhouses. I mean cmon....even the priciest of agricultural crops are not grown under hps and mh lamps solely with mini splits and sante fe dehueys.
 
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4ftRoots

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since1991 said:
The biggest move you can make short of growing in a greenhouse or outdoors is cut down on your consumables. That being medium : coir- reuse, mix your own nutrients or buy the least expensive bottles cuz there all basically the same, and use the most efficient lighting, air conditioning, and humidity controllers as possible. Basically its a HUGE waste environmental wise to grow indoors and it reflects in our power bills. If cannabis didnt have such an outrageous profit margin no one would grow indoors. And as prices continue to fall with legalization we all soon will not be. The future is outdoors and controlled greenhouses. I mean cmon....even the priciest of agricultural crops are not grown under hps and mh lamps solely with mini splits and sante fe dehueys.
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Oh yeah I help the nursery in the next town mix there old plants and soil in a huge compost pile so I can get it before everyone else. Reuse is where it's at. I also ferment plants for food so I think us organic types have a pretty good system.
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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Rrog said:
To each his own. Cool about your solar panels! Rooftop?
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nah, we are nestled in a redwood forest, it's dark at our houses, but at the top of the hill....
I've been trying to get the owner to put up more, but he's cheap..
Stupid though, once it's set up, it's not much to add, but he is clearing out trees to add MORE plants...
 
Rrog

Rrog

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The original premise was that organic has no business indoors. That opinion was clearly not shared by many, if any.

Now we've moved on to the energy efficiency of growing. I guess I missed how that had shit to do with the original premise - organic ALL belongs outside.
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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since1991 said:
Big commercial greenhouse managers shake thier heads more often than not when they hear some of the wonky shit us cannbis gardeners come up with. Our terminology, our willingness to waste money, and our refusal to accept techniques and practices that if not employed in a controlled agricultural setting for the real pros would bankrupt them within a season. Believe that!!!! Lots of "bro science" based on utter nonsense that will hopefully get weeded out as cannabis progresses towards full legalization.
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yeah but man, it's all economy.
Supply and demand.
The reason, as you stated, that people grow herb indoors, is because of how much money they get from it, but you know what?
I don't sell mine, I smoke it, and supply my loved ones with it, every now and then i'll have outdoor crops to get rid of, but all my indoor is head stash.
It's an expensive hobby, but it's not as bad as some.
I used to live on a winery, and talk about wasted money...
those fools couldn't even legally sell their wine and they dedicated an entire top of a central California coast mountain to a vineyard.
Talk about a waste. Like at leaaaaast 3 or 4 million dollars of land, no joke.
And we won't even talk about water...
ANNNND their wine was shitttttty.... like not even half as good as "two-buck-chuck".
I'm curious on your method for your leaf-mold?
always eager to hear peoples techniques.
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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Rrog said:
The original premise was that organic has no business indoors. That opinion was clearly not shared by many, if any.

Now we've moved on to the energy efficiency of growing. I guess I missed how that had shit to do with the original premise - organic ALL belongs outside.
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yea, might as well incorporate LEDs and their efficiency into this thread.
Ohhh fuck... you imagine a thread with BOTH led's vs HIDS, AND organic vs hydro?
ugh... hey lets ask if we should flush too!
Yay
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greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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4ftRoots said:
Oh yeah I help the nursery in the next town mix there old plants and soil in a huge compost pile so I can get it before everyone else. Reuse is where it's at. I also ferment plants for food so I think us organic types have a pretty good system.
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Grow your own comfrey, get your own wormbin, make your own leaf compost.
Simple. And free.
I still buy amendments, like kelp meal, neem meal, fishbonemeal, etc. But each compost pile I do, takes like maybe 25 bucks of amendments, and that compost lasts a whole year, with extra to boot.
But you cut a BUNCH out of the cost by re-using, that's why it's essential to assemble it the right way to begin with, right aeration,humus base, etc.
 
Darth Vapour

Darth Vapour

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IMO there is no comparison organic vs chem ,, chem wins just like comparing organic vs conventional farming today. there has been dummy tests after tests proving people cold not even tell the difference in taste sure they look at size comparison and say owe yeah that Cucumber was chem fed lol
when breaking it all down to nutrition value very little differences were noted Again Tests after tests proved it , when testing for carcinogens actually manure fed crops had higher toxens
so where does this end really WHERE ????
You believe in GOD i believe in Cinderella
Also when it comes to indoor organic growing ?? i think we forget the basics of full carbon cycle organics natural its not natural when man digs his hands into soil or amends soil with what ever not native to his geological area .. Guaano etc
With growing organic indoor we left out few of the most crucial elements ,, Insects which have a very important role in organics but again were leave that out of the equation growing indoor ..
as we try to mimic mother nature yet cut off her neck at the same time , and how do i come to this point simple ,, look at the TEA CRAZE going on today if your soil was active and natural being organic then there would be no need for teas end of story but wait a min why is there ??
Cause you never really grew it organic to begin with,, the carbon cycle never went full circle it stopped half way ..
and thats the problem growing organic indoor we tend to keep our rooms like a operating table sterile we fight to combat all insects that enter our rooms ..
so with that all said i personally believe its good idea to start indoor organically and then finish it off chemical
Organic out door chemical indoor plain n simple a grower does not have to force feed chemicals for a plant to grow and be successful but that is what many do over dose ..
a true organic operating soil should have enough nutrients to complete a plants cycle from start to finish and 90 percent of so called organic soils DO NOT complete it
i you think your soil is truly living and doing its thing like mother nature intended i dare you , to grow a plant 6 + months start to finish and see what she looks like with only water being fed to plants no teas i will bet that it will not look so good here 6 + month organic grown only rain water 0 nutrients or teas
That my friends is true organic soil

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hyroot

hyroot

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How about the health aspects of it. Chem fertilizers do cause health problems and disease when veggies, cannabis is consumed. Thats fact.theres no disputing that unless you are a congressman or senator (satyre)

Quality wise there is no comparison. Organic wins hands down.

Yes using organics indoors does help the environment dumping those chems down the drains. Tossing salt filled soils will contaminate ground soil, ground water and if ends up in the dump become anaerobic and produces green house gases. All those hydro growers dumping those resi's causes all kinds of pollution / contamination.

Most true organic heads recycle their soil. I do. I've only made 2 soil mixes in the last 5 years and been using the same soil over and over. So I'm not wasting money buying peat which is mined or pulled from bogs that take years beyond years to form.
 
hyroot

hyroot

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To bring up that commercial farms use chems over a organics is asenine. If you actually know how the commercial farms work...... The farmers only own the land and equipment. They don't own the seed nor the crops. They get a salary based on production. They have to produce a certain yield and aesthetic quality or they get penalized by their supplier/ buyer. With less money and lower quality seed. Same goes for all.kinds of farmers. Fish farms, chicken farms, etc... Major corporations own and supply what the farmers produce. they will also penalize the farmer if they don't make equipment upgrades at their say so. The farmer has to pay for the equipment upgrades out of their pocket. Most farmers end up high in debt and never get out of it because these major corporations are raping them, figuratively.
 
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