One man and his bush - 1 plant SCROG in Stealth Cab - Chocolate Berry

Captain Planet said:

impressive growth my friend. what are your goals for yield? or do you have any goals for such a thing?

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Why thankyou, my goal is 10oz, 3.2grams/branch, anything over = bonus, anything under means nothing, this is a SCROG for aesthetics more than yield.

AWnox said:

It will be amazing...it's crazy really...don't even know how many tops that has...have you even counted them?? I'm guessing estimating a yield right now would be kinda hard but what do you expect or want at least?

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Can't say i have, but i'm bored enough to give it a go! I'll get back to u on that 1.

unohu69 said:

totally amazing job, The thing looks super healthy, for being grown in soil for a 3 month veg, so far, your doing awesome.

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Thanks man, it is super healthy! Apart from the odd yellow leaf here and there but thats expected. Cheers for the support

Rough count but i got to 100 and stopped. Was mostly counting tops with the odd emerging top here and there

oh daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaang this plant will be epic one flower kicks in

Dudes this will be a massive canopy when it reaches maturity. Where are you with nutes right now btw?

crazytrain14 said:

oh daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaang this plant will be epic one flower kicks in

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Epic is definitely the word

AWnox said:

Dudes this will be a massive canopy when it reaches maturity. Where are you with nutes right now btw?

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I know man tell me about it, i actually find it quite daunting! As usual i don't know what to expect and am taking things as they come. When it comes to picking the branches i want to go up to the 2nd screen, i'm scared i'm gona butcher all remaining branches/branch sites to the point that it shocks her into hermie-ing, i know i'm gona have to cut a lot of material off her, and i'm gona have to do it in one go, AND its gona be a couple weeks into flowering because thats when i'll know which my best branches are. So the timing is not good either! I just tied her down again and she's getting real close to flip time, i'm thinking next week for sure considering i aint trimmed anything off her in a while now so her growth aint slowing down as usual.

I should've really included my feeding schedule in each update... Basically i'm using a combination of Canna Bio Organic veg nutes, and the odd supplemental nute on the side from previous grows such as Organic B (used in times of stress), Silicon + (in times of insect damage/visible leaf stress), Hesi Supervit (same as Superthrive) and Hesi Powerzyme (used to break down excess cellular waste in the medium, keep my soil/roots nice and clean and happy. This i use every other week or so). So I'm still on veg nutes (Rhizo + Vega), and i'm pretty much feeding at full strength every time. Because i'm using organic nutes i don't feel there's a need to flush or water with plain water, as there is little build up of any excess nutes, and every time i water i let a good 5L drain out the bottom. No need but i like to think its good practise and helps keep the roots as happy and healthy as can be. Everything is kept fresh. Nutes are mixed just before being fed to the plant.

Tucked all big fan leaves down and under, tied down new branching that had started growing vertical, and gave her another spray with Groigen, just to make sure i was getting all the new exposed nodes/branching.

Dont know if i've showed any pictures of my plant pulled out of the cupboard, but the support its sitting on is on rollers so i can easily inspect the back of the plant without sticking my head directly under the HPS. Works a treat, just makes everything easier as i have access on all 4 sides now instead of just the 1.



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As soon as the outter branches have all reached at least the middle of the outter squares on the left and right side of the screen, i'm flippin to 12/12 and from a 400W MH to a 600W HPS

Looks like a great idea! I'm going to give it a shot!

Joos u havn't a clue what lies in store for u! Todays tuck took another 3hrs! Either way good luck! Send a link over if u start up a journal, would love to see someone struggle like i hav!

250 HPS Scrog Journal

If you don't mind, and I would greatly appreciate it, could you please describe your pruning technique in depth. I can't seem to make out what kinds of cuts you're making in the pictures where you mention trimming and tying.

Will do tomorrow evenin some time, first i need to get a MRI!

man with 600 watt hps, this will be a grow, to go down in the scrog record books. Even tho your using organic nutes, i'd still give it a good flush right before you start flowering and giving flowering nutes. Another thing that's really good is using non-sulfur molasses (aka carb overload nutes), helps microbes break down essential nutrients that the roots need for the plant. +rep for this beast grow. i can't wait till the final outcome, fingers crossed man

I would seriously consider flipping now. Like right now. They are going to go wild when the stretch.

I would also invest in some good fans. Your going to be battling mold when all those things bud. Not trying to be negative bud I have suffered bud rot in dense screens and it's a painful thing to toss tons of buds in the trash can cause they got rotten.

heyguy901 said:

man with 600 watt hps, this will be a grow, to go down in the scrog record books. Even tho your using organic nutes, i'd still give it a good flush right before you start flowering and giving flowering nutes. Another thing that's really good is using non-sulfur molasses (aka carb overload nutes), helps microbes break down essential nutrients that the roots need for the plant. +rep for this beast grow. i can't wait till the final outcome, fingers crossed man

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Just went and got 2 125W CFL's to hang either side of the reflector, I wanted blue spectrum ones but have somehow ended up with red. I was thinking a little blue light would be more useful than even more red light, something i'm already gona get plenty of from the HPS. So i might go and swap them both, depending on what ppl advise i do, and what would be best for flowering. If i were to add another 250W though i'd rather have that blue than red.

Anyway, thanks man, i hope this does go down in the SCROG history books! Would be mission accomplished. What's your logic for flushing anyway? I was thinking that the left over veg nutes (if any) would only keep the lower foliage greener for sliiightly longer than if i were to flush. I'm already more than familiar with molasses, in fact i use 2 different ones, grandma's molasses and muscavado (sugar), worked a treat last time, will definitely use them this time round for suuuuure. I cant wait for this either, i'm getting impatient and really want to stick the 600 in!

legallyflying said:

I would seriously consider flipping now. Like right now. They are going to go wild when the stretch.

I would also invest in some good fans. Your going to be battling mold when all those things bud. Not trying to be negative bud I have suffered bud rot in dense screens and it's a painful thing to toss tons of buds in the trash can cause they got rotten.

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One more week man! Cummon, agree with me on this one and i'll feel a whole load better! I am preparing myself for some serious deforestation sessions, i'm fully aware just how much of a handful this plant is gona be in the next couple weeks, but i'm ready....

I've got 2 good 6" fans above the canopy, so far they've been on half speed all grow, when the canopy thickens up i'll switch to full speed for more penetration. Below the canopy i've intentionally left space for another 6" fan to circulate the air between the first and second screens. Anyway, ive changed my plans man, i was initially gona try and flower every single top i had at my disposal before i realised i'd be inviting mould with open arms, so that is why i've decided to pick the best 87 branches and flower them! Everything else is getting cut off. Also all the branches will be perfectly equally spaced, so if i get mould issues on 1 branch, chance is it'll hit every other branch equally hard.

I had mould when i grew super lemon haze, main cola's were bigger than my arm, and not once did i think to open them up and check. I learnt the hard way, but i've learnt.....

We'll compromise, i'll flip sunday nite, not touching her til then...

good choice. Flipping when the screen is already 90% full...ugggh what a mess.

legallyflying said:

good choice. Flipping when the screen is already 90% full...ugggh what a mess.

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Ive literally had another crazy idea for this plant but dont want to say anything just yet because i was super high when i came up with it and it could be unrealistic and stupid, but requires lots of vertical stretch to play with, so i need this mess of which u speak off!

lilindian said:

Ive literally had another crazy idea for this plant but dont want to say anything just yet because i was super high when i came up with it and it could be unrealistic and stupid, but requires lots of vertical stretch to play with, so i need this mess of which u speak off!

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If we are throwing in our 2 cents at this point on when to flip I would make this suggestion, let them go until sunday but dont cut anything back , yes its going to be a bushy nightmare but trimming right before a flip can slow down the initial flower by several weeks. I have done a side-by-side with 2 plants, one I trimmed 2 weeks before flipping and the other I trimmed several days before flower everything else was the same, ph, nutes etc. and I got 6 oz from the 2 week trim and 3 oz from the 3 day trim (back in the pre-scrog days). trimming a few weeks into flowering is not as much of an issue, the plant is in uptake mode and can basically ignore the damage done.

profgrow said:

If we are throwing in our 2 cents at this point on when to flip I would make this suggestion, let them go until sunday but dont cut anything back , yes its going to be a bushy nightmare but trimming right before a flip can slow down the initial flower by several weeks. I have done a side-by-side with 2 plants, one I trimmed 2 weeks before flipping and the other I trimmed several days before flower everything else was the same, ph, nutes etc. and I got 6 oz from the 2 week trim and 3 oz from the 3 day trim (back in the pre-scrog days). trimming a few weeks into flowering is not as much of an issue, the plant is in uptake mode and can basically ignore the damage done.

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Thats exactly what i plan to do. I'm letting her grow completely naturally from now until sunday, at which point i'll make the flip. She shouldn't be tooooo bushy by then, but as soon as her growth spurt starts she's gona be a nightmare. I never planned to trim just before my flip! Always planned on giving her at least a week of natural growth before going 12/12. I havn't conducted a major trim in a couple weeks now anyway. Just been tucking. The plan is to let her stretch vertically up, and whilst she stretches i'll be pulling down the branches i dont want to keep, not cutting them off, whilst at the same time allowing the branches i'm gona use to grow grow grow, minimising the shock of the removal of plant material during this stage. This will be done until ive got my strongest 87 branches at roughly the same height, any branching growing too high will be pulled down to the right height. Sound about right? Then as soon as the stretch is over (hoping between wk 2-3 of flower) and hopefully before she starts showing any sign of real budding, i'll do one major prune all in one go, get rid off excess fan leaves and branches under the second screen.

Also whats your opinion on these CFL's? Is there any real point in using the red spectrum bulbs if i'm already gona have a 600W HPS? Surely its not gona make that much difference, i wanted to use them for their blue spectrum, as a HPS wouldn't provide any of this. Is it worth going to the shops and changing them or is there no point in using blue spec bulbs over red in flower period?

Looking good. sub'ed. nice looking cabinet.