Padawanbater2
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Could you give three examples of biblical prophecy you believe has happened?
Be specific, I'm looking for the passage in the Bible that foretells prophecy, then the event in the real world confirming it1. The State of Israel (even the timing is prophetic regarding how long the Jewish people wandered)
2. The recapture of Jerusalem
3. Mass animal deaths and natural disasters increasing subsequently
If creation itself is not enough for you, then nothing I say ever will be. it's odd that someone who professes to love science cannot see the wonderful nature of the Creator.
You do not understand sin and it's consequences because you do not understand Who the offense is against.
Ezekiel 37-38 New International Version (NIV)
The Valley of Dry Bones
37 The hand of the Lord was on me, and he brought me out by the Spirit of the Lord and set me in the middle of a valley; it was full of bones. 2 He led me back and forth among them, and I saw a great many bones on the floor of the valley, bones that were very dry. 3 He asked me, “Son of man, can these bones live?”
I said, “Sovereign Lord, you alone know.”
4 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to these bones and say to them, ‘Dry bones, hear the word of the Lord! 5 This is what the Sovereign Lord says to these bones: I will make breath[a] enter you, and you will come to life. 6 I will attach tendons to you and make flesh come upon you and cover you with skin; I will put breath in you, and you will come to life. Then you will know that I am the Lord.’”
7 So I prophesied as I was commanded. And as I was prophesying, there was a noise, a rattling sound, and the bones came together, bone to bone. 8 I looked, and tendons and flesh appeared on them and skin covered them, but there was no breath in them.
9 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to the breath; prophesy, son of man, and say to it, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Come, breath, from the four winds and breathe into these slain, that they may live.’” 10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and breath entered them; they came to life and stood up on their feet—a vast army.
11 Then he said to me: “Son of man, these bones are the people of Israel. They say, ‘Our bones are dried up and our hope is gone; we are cut off.’ 12 Therefore prophesy and say to them: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: My people, I am going to open your graves and bring you up from them; I will bring you back to the land of Israel. 13 Then you, my people, will know that I am the Lord, when I open your graves and bring you up from them. 14 I will put my Spirit in you and you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I the Lord have spoken, and I have done it, declares the Lord.’”
One Nation Under One King
15 The word of the Lord came to me: 16 “Son of man, take a stick of wood and write on it, ‘Belonging to Judah and the Israelites associated with him.’ Then take another stick of wood, and write on it, ‘Belonging to Joseph (that is, to Ephraim) and all the Israelites associated with him.’ 17 Join them together into one stick so that they will become one in your hand.
18 “When your people ask you, ‘Won’t you tell us what you mean by this?’ 19 say to them, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: I am going to take the stick of Joseph—which is in Ephraim’s hand—and of the Israelite tribes associated with him, and join it to Judah’s stick. I will make them into a single stick of wood, and they will become one in my hand.’ 20 Hold before their eyes the sticks you have written on 21 and say to them, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: I will take the Israelites out of the nations where they have gone. I will gather them from all around and bring them back into their own land. 22 I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel. There will be one king over all of them and they will never again be two nations or be divided into two kingdoms. 23 They will no longer defile themselves with their idols and vile images or with any of their offenses, for I will save them from all their sinful backsliding, and I will cleanse them. They will be my people, and I will be their God.
24 “‘My servant David will be king over them, and they will all have one shepherd. They will follow my laws and be careful to keep my decrees. 25 They will live in the land I gave to my servant Jacob, the land where your ancestors lived. They and their children and their children’s children will live there forever, and David my servant will be their prince forever. 26 I will make a covenant of peace with them; it will be an everlasting covenant. I will establish them and increase their numbers, and I will put my sanctuary among them forever. 27 My dwelling place will be with them; I will be their God, and they will be my people. 28 Then the nations will know that I the Lord make Israel holy, when my sanctuary is among them forever.’”
The Lord’s Great Victory Over the Nations
38 The word of the Lord came to me: 2 “Son of man, set your face against Gog, of the land of Magog, the chief prince of[c] Meshek and Tubal; prophesy against him 3 and say: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: I am against you, Gog, chief prince of[d] Meshek and Tubal. 4 I will turn you around, put hooks in your jaws and bring you out with your whole army—your horses, your horsemen fully armed, and a great horde with large and small shields, all of them brandishing their swords. 5 Persia, Cush[e] and Put will be with them, all with shields and helmets, 6 also Gomer with all its troops, and Beth Togarmah from the far north with all its troops—the many nations with you.
7 “‘Get ready; be prepared, you and all the hordes gathered about you, and take command of them. 8 After many days you will be called to arms. In future years you will invade a land that has recovered from war, whose people were gathered from many nations to the mountains of Israel, which had long been desolate. They had been brought out from the nations, and now all of them live in safety. 9 You and all your troops and the many nations with you will go up, advancing like a storm; you will be like a cloud covering the land.
10 “‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: On that day thoughts will come into your mind and you will devise an evil scheme. 11 You will say, “I will invade a land of unwalled villages; I will attack a peaceful and unsuspecting people—all of them living without walls and without gates and bars. 12 I will plunder and loot and turn my hand against the resettled ruins and the people gathered from the nations, rich in livestock and goods, living at the center of the land.[f]” 13 Sheba and Dedan and the merchants of Tarshish and all her villages[g] will say to you, “Have you come to plunder? Have you gathered your hordes to loot, to carry off silver and gold, to take away livestock and goods and to seize much plunder?”’
14 “Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say to Gog: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: In that day, when my people Israel are living in safety, will you not take notice of it? 15 You will come from your place in the far north, you and many nations with you, all of them riding on horses, a great horde, a mighty army. 16 You will advance against my people Israel like a cloud that covers the land. In days to come, Gog, I will bring you against my land, so that the nations may know me when I am proved holy through you before their eyes.
17 “‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: You are the one I spoke of in former days by my servants the prophets of Israel. At that time they prophesied for years that I would bring you against them. 18 This is what will happen in that day: When Gog attacks the land of Israel, my hot anger will be aroused, declares the Sovereign Lord. 19 In my zeal and fiery wrath I declare that at that time there shall be a great earthquake in the land of Israel. 20 The fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, the beasts of the field, every creature that moves along the ground, and all the people on the face of the earth will tremble at my presence. The mountains will be overturned, the cliffs will crumble and every wall will fall to the ground. 21 I will summon a sword against Gog on all my mountains, declares the Sovereign Lord. Every man’s sword will be against his brother. 22 I will execute judgment on him with plague and bloodshed; I will pour down torrents of rain, hailstones and burning sulfur on him and on his troops and on the many nations with him. 23 And so I will show my greatness and my holiness, and I will make myself known in the sight of many nations. Then they will know that I am the Lord.’
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel 37-38
I think I could take the time to list out the verses regarding Israel's return (a few: Zechariah 8, Isaiah 43, Isaiah 51, Micah 4), Jerusalem being a central point in world events once the Jews controlled it again, the Hosea prophecies regarding the animal deaths increasing along with natural calamities increasing, and you would refute them all since as you clearly stated earlier: you do not believe. Earth billions of years old is what man says it is, evolution is what man says it is--you seem to put a lot of faith in what other men say and not what the Word of God says. You have no proof either that the earth is billions of years old nor that evolution is in fact true. The evidence that creation itself exists is enough, you deny that it is because you so sincerely desire to deny there is a God.
A poetic prose.The literal reading came later.And God Said let there be light.
Be specific, I'm looking for the passage in the Bible that foretells prophecy, then the event in the real world confirming it
Existence is not proof of a creator. In fact, there are many different scientific facts that completely contradict biblical creation (4.5 billion year old Earth, the theory of evolution, etc.)
I don't believe in the concept of sin because I don't believe in God or any organized religion. Sin is a religious concept
http://ideonexus.com/2012/02/12/101-reasons-why-evolution-is-true/
We know how old the Earth is because we can scientifically verify it, we can measure it.. We know evolution happens because we can see it happen, we can test it
Accepting the age of the Earth or evolution doesn't require faith. Faith is belief without evidence. Both, determining the age of the Earth and evolution are scientifically verifiable. Why would you guess dolphins and whales, both mammals, swim vertically - that is they move their tails up and down, as opposed to fish who swim horizontally, left to right? Because their ancestors ran on land.. Why would dinosaurs have feathers and chickens have the gene to create teeth, yet have no teeth? Because birds are the descendents of dinosaurs, they even walked the same.. Why would every living thing on Earth be carbon based? Why would humans and chimpanzees share 98% identical DNA? Why would everything after amphibian share a common body structure (4 limbs, 1 head and a tail)? Why would older organisms be found lower in geological strata and younger organisms be found higher?
These things are scientifically undeniable, whether you believe in god or not
No it is biblical and hebrew scholars all agree magog is russia. Second it does give you a time period it says in chapter 36 saysThat's not what Ezekiel says. It says there will be a war between Israel and many other nations, and if you pay close attention, the writer doesn't specify a date.. People use this kind of language to do exactly what you're attempting to do, claim it's biblical prophecy. If you believe what you wrote, any war at any time against Israel could be interpreted as fulfillment of the prophecy..
That doesn't sound divinely inspired to me. It sounds like the writer knew war was inevitable, as common for the time period
Also, nearly 80%+ of all scientists in all fields of study don't believe in a personal god
i thought that idea might make some ppl stop and think .....glad u liked itinteresting you would post this...i was just doing a Bible study the other day that incorporated how God is STILL in the process of speaking--that's what is holding everything together. the string theory is amazing when you start looking into it.
it proves it .....what the guy that did it was saying look at the tech the man that came up with the idea if he had it he would have been able to solve the problem ........the man that did is saying look at tech and how much it helps ......but it still proved that a supreme being exist (something at the top not a random chance )If anything proved a god exists, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Belief in god, all god's, requires faith
From a fellow atheist, I approve this message. Great video bud.
Have you ever wondered why the deity in the old testament is much more blood thirsty than the deity in the new testament? I have an educated guess as to why that is. The deity is a product of mans creation in both the new and old testament. As times change and as man becomes more knowledgeable, able to differentiate an earthquake from a deity's curse for example, so does the authors writings. For example. just look at how far we as society have come just from the 1950's. Civil rights. of African Americans and homosexuals were unheard of.Adaptation is undeniable
Evolution is questionable at best (i prefer not to even aknowledge unless you already understand irreducible complexity and later criticism)
The bible does not specify age of the earth just like it does not say adam was the first man, genesis is a combination of 3 (maybe 4) oral and written tradition about a specific blood line.
We are still in the last day (7) the day of rest. Each day being a period in reference to the pov of someone on earth.. and you cant attempt to calculate age by adding blood lines, it doesnt list all of them. You have to study a little bit of the original languages and read a real study on the chapters to understand, not really a study bible that goes a little in depth but one that breaks down each verse and doesnt list the original text..what pastors etc study from... I think you know my scientific background and ive also thoroughly studied the bible. And continue to do so
Pada, you cant pick the weakest post to reply too, that hardly keeps the debate interesting.
By the way, we do know earthquakes are not created by a deity. If a deity created this Earth, you would assume he would know these simple things.I dont see a difference between ot and new testament God . I do understand the purpose of Jesus and why it is not one testament..if thats what you dont get
More knowledgeable? Or more ignorant because we think we know.
Not sure how a countries view on african americans, africans or slavery of other groups or homosexuality is an example.
Unless you feel thats prophetic and we are nearing the end of times