On voter intimidation/fraud

With about 48 hours left until voting time, it's time to remember what to/not to do.

-If you want a last chance to have your voice heard, I suggest having a "yes on 19" or "no on 19" shirt/pin. Bumper stickers work as well. I don't live in California so I don't know how prevalent these are.

-Report all intimidation/fraud to voting authorities. If you can, try to get anyone who is doing something to settle down first.

-Do not hassle or intimidate other voters. Would you be bullied into changing your vote? Other people would not be, and it is likely to create a worse situation.

At least in my area, the polls only serve a small number of voters. Nearly everyone is voting as permanent absentee voters.

I mailed my ballot about two weeks ago.

veggiegardener said:

At least in my area, the polls only serve a small number of voters. Nearly everyone is voting as permanent absentee voters.

I mailed my ballot about two weeks ago.

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I sent in my ballot about two weeks ago also.

That's...odd. So we're pretty much discussing something thats already a done deal, eh?

gupp said:

That's...odd. So we're pretty much discussing something thats already a done deal, eh?

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No, it is not a done deal. There are lots of people who have not voted yet.

Yeah, I was just about to mention that it isn't a done deal even if a lot of people have sent in their vote already.

We won't know what's happening for about 30 more hours, unless it is a landslide.

I'm hoping it loses, but in a very close race.

A very small margin might inspire folks to write a bill that does protect medical growers, lowers the age to 18(If they can die for their country, they can enjoy a doob after the slaughter.
My Dad was a Marine during World War 2. Nobody EVER told him he couldn't have a beer, even though he was barely 18 when he joined.), and eliminates the dumbest thing in P19; allowing every jurisdiction(cities and counties) to write their own laws governing Cannabis. There are over 500 separate jurisdictions in California. Insanity!

veggiegardener said:

We won't know what's happening for about 30 more hours, unless it is a landslide.

I'm hoping it loses, but in a very close race.

A very small margin might inspire folks to write a bill that does protect medical growers, lowers the age to 18(If they can die for their country, they can enjoy a doob after the slaughter.
My Dad was a Marine during World War 2. Nobody EVER told him he couldn't have a beer, even though he was barely 18 when he joined.), and eliminates the dumbest thing in P19; allowing every jurisdiction(cities and counties) to write their own laws governing Cannabis. There are over 500 separate jurisdictions in California. Insanity!

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How can I be sure that you wouldn't complain that it would not be respectful to regional growers if it was just some wide, statewide bill that didn't affect counites individually? California is a very large state, after all.

I am arguing that you are being obstructionist over a few minor objections- somehow you think that a law must be completely within your comfort zone, perhaps.

I have the hope that one marijuana bill will lead to another one if flaws are present. We can both agree that the current situation at large is unacceptable, I think.

gupp said:

How can I be sure that you wouldn't complain that it would not be respectful to regional growers if it was just some wide, statewide bill that didn't affect counites individually? California is a very large state, after all.

I am arguing that you are being obstructionist over a few minor objections- somehow you think that a law must be completely within your comfort zone, perhaps.

I have the hope that one marijuana bill will lead to another one if flaws are present. We can both agree that the current situation at large is unacceptable, I think.

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I believe the current system would work if everyone(who uses) just chose to get a recommendation.

I have long experience and a lot of reading to back up that idea.

This bill amounts to hitting the beehive with a stick to try to get the honey. You're going to piss off EVERYBODY, if they're a bee(involved in Cannabis regulation).

I prefer our current approach. We and the doctors follow the form of the law, and everybody gets along. Kinda like smoking the hive, calming the bees.

Regarding equity, the more liberal the bill, the more equitable.

Don't include a bunch of restrictions that must be addressed later, by local lawmakers.

veggiegardener said:

I believe the current system would work if everyone(who uses) just chose to get a recommendation.

I have long experience and a lot of reading to back up that idea.

This bill amounts to hitting the beehive with a stick to try to get the honey. You're going to piss off EVERYBODY, if they're a bee(involved in Cannabis regulation).

I prefer our current approach. We and the doctors follow the form of the law, and everybody gets along. Kinda like smoking the hive, calming the bees.

Regarding equity, the more liberal the bill, the more equitable.

Don't include a bunch of restrictions that must be addressed later, by local lawmakers.

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I have nothing against MMJ. Heck, anything that subverts the prohibitionists is a good thing. But why would ordinary consumers want to retain a system that is a complete sham when they have a chance at simple legality?

The medical marijuana system is inconvenient (you have to go to a doctor), expensive (you have to pay a doctor), and shady (you have to lie to a doctor to get your card). The MMJ system retains the illegality of Cannabis, which means the police can search you if they have probable cause and then arrest you (is that pot I smell? is this guy's electricity bill "abnormally high"?, is that light I see around the garage door?, etc).

P19 does away with all of this BS. Why would anybody who isn't part of the narco-industrial complex vote no on P19?

If you are growing and selling pot and you are afraid the price will drop and hurt your pocket book, then vote no. If you are a cop or prison guard and afraid that legalization will make your position redundant, then vote no. If you are a Mexican cartel member and you are afraid you won't be able to cut off your enemies heads anymore because you can't afford a machete, then vote no.

Vote yes on 19, it is literally a no-brainer for almost everybody else!