Oh Goodie! ... More on 911 (inside job) :)

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email468

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We TaRdED said:
How much more "proof" do you need? Idk. Maybe I'm just an idiot, but I'm too retarded to know. I should practice what I preach, and stay away from the tap water.....

911, in my most honest and humble opinion, was an inside job..

Some of my favorite youtube vids:mrgreen:

YouTube - Larry Silverstein admits WTC7 was pulled down on 9/11

YouTube - Alex Jones Predicts 911 Alex Jones actually predicted 911 in this vid.

Richard Gage, AIA, Architect - "How The Towers Fell" - Complete 2 Hour Presentation | 911Blogger.com An architect refutes the alleged 911 report.

YouTube - MIT Engineer Disputes 911 Theory of the WTC Collapse-Part 2 An MIT professor refutes the alleged 911 report.

YouTube - FOX-5 Reports 9/11/01: WTC-7 Collapsed Before Actual Event A news company reports that WTC7 fell before it actually did.

YouTube - If You're an American you should see THIS! for real A pissed off politician is empathetic of the conspiracy "theorists".


Sure, no one came out and said "I was behind the 911 attack(besides "Bin Landin" YouTube - 9/11 CONSPIRACY: THE BIN LADEN TAPE IS A FAKE!) , but what criminals come out and say "Hey, I robbed that bank. Now you can handcuff me and escort me to the jail cell that I will spend my life in?"?

Why do you think we have court system? Its because people usually lie about the crimes that they have committed and its up to the judge and (possibly) jury to discern/dictate what really happened- through clues and evidence. So, I ask you, how much more information do you really need in order put the pieces together and figure out whats really going on? Maybe I'm just a delusional idiot, but from the evidence that has been put forth on this thread, I would rule the Bush administration and his cronies guilty!

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my point being for everyone of these videos there is another youtube video contradicting it. so you are stuck choosing sides. Hell you said it in your first couple of sentences when you say: "in my honest and humble OPINION". You may be right and my opinion doesn't matter. But everyone isn't saying my opinion is blah blah - they are talking about facts and facts are far different than opinions.

for all i know bush could have lit the fuse himself. But maybe Bin Laden was the mastermind. or maybe, like most things, the truth is somewhere in between. But with everybody shouting and not listening we'll never find out the truth of the matter.

for every person willing to listen to reason like you We - there are many, many others sure that they have the right answer and will not listen to anything counter to what they already believe.
 
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medicineman

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E-mail, of course you are right about most of us relying on second/third/ fourth/etc, hand news. That is what we are fed by all the media. We can only apply our reason to those stories and have an opinion. I've stated all along that this an opinion forum nothing more. Facts are first hand experiences, like if you call me an asshole, then that is a fact, the fact that you called me an asshole, not that I am one, although I may be. But just the fact that you called me one doesn't make it true. Now apply this to any other subject on this forum and I think you get my drift. I may call you an asshole, but that may or may not be a fact.
 
email468

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medicineman said:
E-mail, of course you are right about most of us relying on second/third/ fourth/etc, hand news. That is what we are fed by all the media. We can only apply our reason to those stories and have an opinion. I've stated all along that this an opinion forum nothing more. Facts are first hand experiences, like if you call me an asshole, then that is a fact, the fact that you called me an asshole, not that I am one, although I may be. But just the fact that you called me one doesn't make it true. Now apply this to any other subject on this forum and I think you get my drift. I may call you an asshole, but that may or may not be a fact.
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hey med - we do agree on some stuff! we agree it is an opinion forum and i'm not trying to suppress anyone from expressing theirs. I just don't like to see it presented as "factual" with no possibility of error.

And I think we can both agree that we both can be assholes.... even when we aren't calling each other that!
 
GrowRebel

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email468 said:
my point being for everyone of these videos there is another youtube video contradicting it. so you are stuck choosing sides. Hell you said it in your first couple of sentences when you say: "in my honest and humble OPINION". You may be right and my opinion doesn't matter. But everyone isn't saying my opinion is blah blah - they are talking about facts and facts are far different than opinions.

for all i know bush could have lit the fuse himself. But maybe Bin Laden was the mastermind. or maybe, like most things, the truth is somewhere in between. But with everybody shouting and not listening we'll never find out the truth of the matter.

for every person willing to listen to reason like you We - there are many, many others sure that they have the right answer and will not listen to anything counter to what they already believe.
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... if there are video that you believe can counter what is posted ... put them up ... I'm tried of people saying it's just opinions when it's FACTS ... it's a FACT not an opinion that steel melts at 2750 degrees and jet plane fuel burns at 1200 degrees F ... it's a FACT that building design to withstand plane crashes and fire will NOT collapse free fall style only after burning for less than an hour ... That's FACT no opinion ... there's a difference ... FACT other country don't buy the lies ...

http://peaceinspace.blogs.com/911/2008/06/petition-for-ca.htmlPETITION FOR CANADIAN 9/11 INVESTIGATION TO BE READ INTO PARLIAMENT TUESDAY JUNE 10th, 2008:-|
 
email468

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Oh i see - you do not understand the difference between opinions and facts. Let me help you...
Fact: Steel melts around 2750 F
Fact: Jet fuel burns at 800-1500 F
Opinion: Plane crash into building will not cause building to collapse.

The reason this is so is because you can prove when steel melts. you can prove at what temperature jet fuel burns. you can NOT prove a building will or will not collapse if a plane flies into it unless you are able to replicate the experiment.

Did you know steel loses about 50% of its strength at 1100 F (within the range of the burning jet fuel)? And do you not think other things were on fire after the plane crashed into the building (like office furniture, rugs, paper) with temperatures easily reaching 1700-1800 F? Which means the steel frames probably had less than 10% of their original strength?

I will be very clear - i am not saying my explanation is any more right than yours - but it is an alternate explanation that should be entertained before being dismissed outright.

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... if there are video that you believe can counter what is posted ... put them up ... I'm tried of people saying it's just opinions when it's FACTS ... it's a FACT not an opinion that steel melts at 2750 degrees and jet plane fuel burns at 1200 degrees F ... it's a FACT that building design to withstand plane crashes and fire will NOT collapse free fall style only after burning for less than an hour ... That's FACT no opinion ... there's a difference ... FACT other country don't buy the lies ...

PETITION FOR CANADIAN 9/11 INVESTIGATION TO BE READ INTO PARLIAMENT TUESDAY JUNE 10th, 2008:-|
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We TaRdED

We TaRdED

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Opinion: Plane crash into building will not cause building to collapse.
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I think it should be a fact that WTC7 was not hit by a plane but had a relatively small fire burning, but collapsed just as if it had been demolished.

And the vids that I linked are facts!

Its a fact that Larry Silverstein said "pull it.... etc etc, in this vid. YouTube - Larry Silverstein admits WTC7 was pulled down on 9/11

Its a fact that Alex Jones actually predicted 911 in this vid. YouTube - Alex Jones Predicts 911

Its a fact that an architect and MIT professor are refuting the official 911 reports.

Its a fact a news company reports that WTC7 fell before it actually did. YouTube - FOX-5 Reports 9/11/01: WTC-7 Collapsed Before Actual Event

Its a fact that A pissed off politician is empathetic of the conspiracy "theorists".YouTube - If You're an American you should see THIS! for real

Its a fact that the USA corporation/gov't said they received this vid of OBL admitting 911..http://youtube.com/watch?v=41UAnkQARFs

If you believe any of these things that I posted are opinions than you need to stop drinking fluorinated tap water because it is truly making you retarded. YouTube - Fluoride Poisoning

It is my opinion that 911 was an inside job. I am not trying to pass facts as fiction you boob!!!!!!

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RON PAUL REVOLUTION

~PEACE~
 
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GrowRebel

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email468 said:
Oh i see - you do not understand the difference between opinions and facts. Let me help you...
Fact: Steel melts around 2750 F
Fact: Jet fuel burns at 800-1500 F
Opinion: Plane crash into building will not cause building to collapse.

The reason this is so is because you can prove when steel melts. you can prove at what temperature jet fuel burns. you can NOT prove a building will or will not collapse if a plane flies into it unless you are able to replicate the experiment.

Did you know steel loses about 50% of its strength at 1100 F (within the range of the burning jet fuel)? And do you not think other things were on fire after the plane crashed into the building (like office furniture, rugs, paper) with temperatures easily reaching 1700-1800 F? Which means the steel frames probably had less than 10% of their original strength?

I will be very clear - i am not saying my explanation is any more right than yours - but it is an alternate explanation that should be entertained before being dismissed outright.
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Your explanation holds no facts ... mine and other post do ... I've already proven a plane and fire can't take down a skyscaper ... yet I don't see you posting any proof it can ... and that 50% strength and 10% at a temp of 1800 is bullshit ... if that were true the skyscapers I posted in this thread would have came down too yet they didn't ... you seem to have a problem telling the difference between facts and opinions ... :spew:
 
smokedoper

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihCP3cfS88ERON PAUL DOESN'T ACCEPT 9/11 INVESTIGATION!

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I keep seeing all of these things about Ron Paul. But he is no different than any other politician. When he was running for the Republican nomination he never suspended his campaign when McCain won the nomination. He also still accepts money on his website. Has anybody given money to his campaign since McCain received the nomination? Also, he received money from the FEC (Federal Election Commission). The FEC gives matching funds dollar for dollar, to any candidate who request it. Get a Freedom of Information Act paperwork, fill it out and ask the FEC how much money the Ron Paul for President campaign received. And make sure to ask how much money he still receives from them. Which this could mean that he intends on still running for president either as an Independent or Libertarian since they already have a line on Presidential ballots. Or it could mean he is just as greedy as the other politicians in Washington. Now I will admit that he has some interesting theories on how the government should be run. Although, using only the Constitution would really not work entirely.
 
We TaRdED

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RON PAUL DOESN'T ACCEPT 9/11 INVESTIGATION!

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Thanks GR! :mrgreen:

I'm going to bookmark this one!:blsmoke:

smokedoper said:
I keep seeing all of these things about Ron Paul. But he is no different than any other politician. When he was running for the Republican nomination he never suspended his campaign when McCain won the nomination. He also still accepts money on his website. Has anybody given money to his campaign since McCain received the nomination? Also, he received money from the FEC (Federal Election Commission). The FEC gives matching funds dollar for dollar, to any candidate who request it. Get a Freedom of Information Act paperwork, fill it out and ask the FEC how much money the Ron Paul for President campaign received. And make sure to ask how much money he still receives from them. Which this could mean that he intends on still running for president either as an Independent or Libertarian since they already have a line on Presidential ballots. Or it could mean he is just as greedy as the other politicians in Washington. Now I will admit that he has some interesting theories on how the government should be run. Although, using only the Constitution would really not work entirely.
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RON PAUL is/was the best candidate running for POTUS! The reason why RON PAUL isn't well know throughout the USA is because the gov't and media are sleeping together! The media/gov't doesn't want him to become president because he wants to do away with income tax and he wants to get rid of the "Federal" Reserve! RON PAUL is the man, he knows the gov't is acting like a cooperation- whose sole purpose is to expand and make more $$$$$$... RON PAUL wants to make the USA better for the people. RON PAUL knows what the problems are and knows how to fix them. RON PAUL is the man!

RON PAUL REVOLUTION

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hom36rown

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Do You like kusinich at all we? Hes against the fed and and fractional reserve banking, other side of the spectrum though.
 
We TaRdED

We TaRdED

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Do You like kusinich at all we? Hes against the fed and and fractional reserve banking, other side of the spectrum though.
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I never heard of him to be honest with you. I'm still very young(early twenties) and I just started to get politically "active" in the last 3 months. The reason why I'm an sign "RON PAUL REVOLUTION" to very post I make is because I want people to inquire about him and than maybe look him up and find out what he stands for. After they find out what this guy stands for than they might see Americas true potential.

I'm not in love with RON PAUL but I do believe in minimal gov't. I think our gov't has gotten way out of control and needs to be stopped. Simply look at this thread- Its about 911 (the biggest "terrorist" attack on the USA soil) and we are conclusive that the "official" report is full of shit and we even go further than that and we blame it on our own gov't! The 911 truthers are not saying 911 was an inside job because we want to look like crackpots but rather because we are logical and can connect the dots on what info is available. The 911 truthers are usually way more informed about the 911 happenings than a "nontruther". A lot of people don't even know that what WTC7 is..... A lot of people didn't know how many buildings were in the WTCenter complex.

YouTube - Rosie O'Donnell dicusses WTC 7 facts / physics 9/11 Truth

Watch the whole video...... The end is really good too. Go Rosie!!!

RON PAUL REVOLUTION

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VTXDave

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hom36rown said:
Do You like kusinich at all we? Hes against the fed and and fractional reserve banking, other side of the spectrum though.
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My biggest problem w/ Kucinich is that he has supported legislation to stifle the 1st Amendment. Check out the Fairness Doctrine. Other than that, I feel he has far more integrity and honesty than the liar they're currently running.
 
GrowRebel

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There's a whole bunch of people they will have to put bullets in their heads ... more on 911 ... so much for the asinine pancake theory that one of the dummy bushies was spouting off because fauxnews told him ...

...I've said this once and I will say it again ... you have to be a complete and total idiot to accept that these supersturctures can come crashing straight down in 15 sec. only after burning for a hour ... no way ... it hasn't happen in the past ... and it certainly didn't happen the way the lying government claim ... those that believe it did are just stupid ... no ifs ands or buts about it ... kiss-ass

http://exoptica.typepad.com/blogoptica/Why the World Trade Center towers floors could not 'pancake' collapse as we have been told.
The typical floor structural configuration for the World Trade Center Towers spanned from the exterior wall columns to where the inner 49 columns formed support for the elevator shafts, stair towers, air shafts and mechanical systems. Thus, each floor was NOT a monolithic slab and structural system spanning across each tower from one exterior wall to the other three, as we are led to believe. Each floor, in fact, terminating at the contiguous structural core, resembled a square 'donut', with the structural core, so to speak, being the 'donut' hole. Failure of floor structural support in any quadrant of the building plan, or even in any half, thus, would have failed ASSYMETRICALLY.

... and here's a comment sense article on 911 ... just a commentary nothing more ... but it makes sense to people that can handle the true ... that's the main reason people are in denial about 911 being an inside job ... it's like that movie with "A few Goo Men" where Jack N. shouted "You can't handle the truth" ... well he's right ... many americans simply can't handle the truth ... even when it stares them in the face ...

http://docs.google.com/View?docid=drkg9jg_14153xr6fcg2The common sense approach to why 9/11 was clearly an inside job
If terrorism was really a threat to the US, don't you think we would have had another attack since 9/11? It wouldn't even have to be more airplane attacks. It could be bombs blowing up buses, houses, trains, but no - it hasn't happened. That shows that there is ABSOLUTELY no homegrown terrorist threat to the US. If you have any common knowledge, you know that you can find most of the ingredients to make a bomb in your local Walmart (Fox has even done reports on it). There are NO terrorists in the US (except for the government, of course).

 
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