It didn't really happen behind closed doors. It happened in an open forum and the owners came behind them and tried (unsuccessfully) to clean up the mess. Not sure how forum software works but all the proof was still up on CC right up until the forum went offline for anyone who knew where to look. I've never spilled the whole can of beans, nor do I really care to. I'm not a hater. I don't care who makes their money... but, at the same time, sometimes I just can't resist the itch to call out obvious bullshit. Maybe I haven't given you enough benefit of the doubt and you didn't know or you've interacted with them enough to think they're 100% on the up and up. I'm just not that emotionally invested in it. The seed business is full of bullshitters. Always has been. Like I said to someone earlier today, I guess it's to be expected in an industry that was, until recently, staffed wholly with career criminals. Still, there's something to be said for integrity. In my book, Alien never had any. I've seen him be super nice and I've seen him show his ass like a spoiled brat. He could've just been honest from the start and he'd still have sold his beans. He just had to try to, as Tupac said "make a million dollars off a quarter ounce". It was also a slap in the face to all the original buyers when, 4 years later, he turned around and rereleased "once in a lifetime" drops. And, for the record, I did have some Alien Grapevine and LAD packs. I let them go to someone who wanted to grow them. I saw enough hermies from the LAD in other peoples' grows to know I didn't want to risk it. One of my friends did find a nice pheno from the couple of Alien Grapevine seeds I gave him, but not nice enough to keep.
Obsoul33t has been around a long time and wasn't really super active pushing the BS narrative except right at the start, so I don't have anything against him.
