Obama, the senate, the debt ceiling, and what we need to do.

I was shocked to find this quote today.

"The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. … Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that “the buck stops here.” Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better."

Sounds like a great speech right? Well this was (then) Senator Obama's argument against raising the debt ceiling spoken to the (then) Republican controlled Congress and I agree with what he said here. BUT why is it now that we find the roles flipped?

The Republican controlled House is now trying to stop the debt ceiling from being raised??? And the Democratic majority wants to push it higher? Huh?

Is it me are the American people blinded by the fact is doesn't matter what your label is, the majority of the idiots we elect into office are out for power and when one side has the power they push forth wasteful and useless bills and policies while the others screams bloody murder, then when the balance of power (if you can call it that) flip flops we find ourselves (as a nation) right back in the same boat, only in a deeper shithole than before.

My point here is that is doesn't matter what "party" they are under the leadership of this country has been corrupt and walking in the opposite direction of where it should. When is America as a country going to stand up, say fuck this corporate owned and influenced media and get rid of the Bi-partisanship system and the flaws that go with it? Stops relying on the popular news channel to feed you facts, we need to harness the only free form of press left and find out the facts for ourselves, only then by basing our thoughts and opinions on our political figures from their history, background, experience, and the motives of their policies can we reach for a greater nation. I implore any and every one to take a leap and look at a persons history and research them with unbiased scrutiny and from multiple sources before they go to the polls.

The bigger issue is no one man, it is a flawed system that we need to toss like yesterday's paper. That's to the corporate media for loosing grips with the ideals of true reporting and dismissing viable candidates for office..

As for our debt, maybe this site will put things in perspective: http://www.wtfnoway.com/

He already admitted that was a foolish thing for him to say as a young senator and he now see how it can hurt our country if we do not.....question do you think we should default on our debt.???

Exactly. You'll never hear a Republican fess up to making a mistake.

What do you think the Republicans were saying about it in 2006? Do you care about them singing a different tune now? Have they admitted their mistake in the past?

Here. I think this is what you are grasping for:

londonfog said:

He already admitted that was a foolish thing for him to say as a young senator and he now see how it can hurt our country if we do not.....question do you think we should default on our debt.???

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Why is it "foolish" to want to balance our budget? It seems like he's reneging on the statement so that he can carry on with the dance in the oval office, which is suspect as I would say he's yet another puppet just as Bush was.

As for the debt, easy answer. Yes. No debt ceiling raises. America, government, and it's people have failed to take care of this issue for many years and we need to face the consequences, our economy will only get truly better when we let it implode, it is through failure that humans learn their lesson, if we continue to simply push the problem further down the road with these debt increases we our only putting off the problem. I know this will hurt people immediatly, I'm not naive there. We need to let the economy go through it's natural phases and only then will we see returns. I'm tired of watching my taxes, my tuition costs, my transportation costs, and my medical cost sky rocket. 2 years ago it cost me $70 for an exam to wear prescription contacts, my last visit rang in at a whopping $150, more than a 100% increase. When I asked the physician why he said because of the "Obama-care" bill he had to change all of his policies and since they cost him more he must charge more. If that isn't a clear example of Obama's medical plan failing then I don't know what is.


I am personally very upset about this because every subsequent generation has left the next one with a positive figure to work with and grow upon yet my generation (I'm 19) is standing in the face of trillions of dollars of debt, a monster medical insurance bill that I sure as hell don't want to pay into, a goliath government spread across the world involved 3 or 4 wars all of which are undeclared and completely for the gain of corporate companies; and I see not a single promise for a "bright" future in this.

BendBrewer said:

Exactly. You'll never hear a Republican fess up to making a mistake.

What do you think the Republicans were saying about it in 2006? Do you care about them singing a different tune now? Have they admitted their mistake in the past?

Here. I think this is what you are grasping for:

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My whole point here is that we need to dump the party to the curb. They have failed us. The founders said a Bipartisan system will NOT work and it has come to fruition. Your making this a "well at least the dems will fess up" arguement and that's beyond the issue. Each day the tide will change and it's just a matter time before all this chaos implodes on itself and we the people are left with the bill.

Fiscal responsibility begins with paying your bills. Obama admitted his vote was political. Will the Republicans admit the same?

BendBrewer said:

Fiscal responsibility begins with paying your bills. Obama admitted his vote was political. Will the Republicans admit the same?

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Agreed, but let me throw you a scenario real quick.

Say the debt limit isn't raised (which we all know it will go up) will that not force the federal government to choose which bills are a priority? You wouldn't choose to not pay any bills just because you didn't have enough to pay them all would you? I would pick the important bills such as rent and utilities before I worried about my cable or my credit cards. Why can we not apply the same thing to the government, as debt ceiling halt will FORCE them to make changes and cut spending not matter what, I would say that's a radical and new change, our government having to streamline because it;s living outside it's means? really?

For President Obama to come on national tv and talk about the medicare and SS checks not going out be founds me. Why can't he say " we will not be able to support the 3+ un declared wars we are in."?

Government should streamline and the only way for that to happen is to stop enabling it to spend outside it's means and bring it back to reality.

But that is basically voting 2 times on the same bills. Congress passed these bills and the costs were known when they were passed. Holding these bills hostage to another vote after they have been voted on and signed into law is not the way our system is supposed to work. This isn't money going to new purchases. These are our bills coming due and the Constitution requires that the bills be paid on time without question.

Obama was asked if he could "guarantee SS checks would go out?" He could not. If you don't like honesty, that is a you problem. Don't blame the President. You appear to have a slanted opinion. That is my opinion. I think you could be more objective.

how did your docter charge you for Obama health plan when it has not been put in place yet ...sounds l
ike Dr.got over on you. shop around

BendBrewer said:

But that is basically voting 2 times on the same bills. Congress passed these bills and the costs were known when they were passed. .

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Exactly which bills are you referring too if I may ask?

And I am probably not as objective as I could be, and he did answer the question which I'll give him slight credit for but why if his interests seems to be in the grassroots would he not already have his mind set that he will be sure the SS checks go out and "default" somewhere else, and while i'll agree our constitution binds us to our contracts this isn't going to be the fist time this government defaults to one degree or the other. Now this is a fucked up situation but the government dug it's one hole so I'm just sick of them all to be quite honest, I think Boehner is only holding out for political points. I must go but I feel this conversation isn't turning sour so I would like to hear a different perspective if you will.

Previously passed Spending bills. Any debt you think we should not pay was at one point part of a bill that was passed into law.

HCR for example. It passed. It is law. It should not be subject to another vote to fund it. That is what sore losers want to do.

IMO you could solve half the problems by stopping television watching. TV has made the minds of people like easily molded balls of clay, TV reprograms people to think a certain way, and it works very well to that purpose.

NoDrama said:

IMO you could solve half the problems by stopping television watching. TV has made the minds of people like easily molded balls of clay, TV reprograms people to think a certain way, and it works very well to that purpose.

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At the very least, turn off Cable news. All of it.

"When the news is bad, I watch cartoons........."

I learned more by watching 1 hour of Tom and Jerry cartoons than 300 hours of news watching. The majority of news is a distraction from the real issues. And I don't mean just Cable either, the MSM is as much to blame as anyone.

I like Cspan

CSPAN isn't news though, its a live feed from the legislative branch of government. It IS informative though, but sensationalist news? Nope.

its news if you can gather information...thats what news is suppose to do ...give you information

londonfog said:

its news if you can gather information...thats what news is suppose to do ...give you information

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Actually, News is supposed to give you Accurate Information. So you can see why the Cable stations do not qualify.

BendBrewer said:

Actually, News is supposed to give you Accurate Information. So you can see why the Cable stations do not qualify.

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NONE of the news networks or shows qualifies, they ALL have an agenda.

I think Brian Williams delivers the news properly. It's why he has the most viewers. I find that a bit comforting.

that would be nice if they got paid by the amount of truth they tell, instead of the number of viewers they have