obama LEGALIZING

justsaymint

Well-Known Member
cracker jax -- when i would see bush's approval rating at approx. 80% disapproval i would always wonder who the 20% percent were u approved and how hard they got dropped as babies and i now ive finally found one of them one
 

110100100

Well-Known Member
Bush graduated from Yale and then post graduate at Harvard. Actually one of our more learned presidents.

Way to be informed


out. :blsmoke:
Yeah and he applied to the University of Texas School of Law in 1970 and was not accepted...then in '73 he got into Harvard. Now take a look at what dear old dad was up to in '70 and then '73.

Any idiot can graduate from a college in this country, yes even Harvard. W. is living proof.
 

Iron Lion Zion

Well-Known Member
I wouldn't be so sure he wont get a second term the biggest moron in history got 2 terms to wreck the country!
So does that mean every President to not get re-elected is a moron? People who hate on Bush don't even know why... please give me some reasons other than he is an idiot.
 

NuteGreenwitch

Well-Known Member
There's no point arguing a conservative point of view on a marijuana forum.... no matter what you say or how valid your point is, you will lose on here. Now then, let it be known that it IS possible to be a conservative marijuana smoker, and keep in mind, it seems as of late more Republicans are leaning on the side of decriminalization of marijuana and instead of prison time for drugs, they are suggesting rehab. I don't see the libs doing anything or saying anything about this - in fact, many in Obama's cabinet deplore the use of marijuana and are advocates of prison for such offenses. His own VP is one of them.

I hate to say this, but the states that will move forward on their own already have, I believe. And the ones that need a push from the feds... well, has Obama lived up to ANY promise he's made thus far? Look, he already promised emphatically that his administration and policies would be transparent to the American people - HAH! Nobody but Pelosi, Reid, Obama, and that ilk knew of anything about this "stimulus" bill, and look what this shit has done to the markets!!! OMG - people are in for a REAL shock with Obama. I'm going to give you people 6 months to stomach your decision in electing him. You will find out soon enough where the country is heading - and if you can't see now, take the blinders off. This isn't about Republican or Democrat - you don't have either in office now. You have a socialist who will turn our country into a third-world power and we will soon enough be begging for aid from China and Russia. Other countries are already plotting territory to claim - businesses to wreck, buy, and re-build for their own financial gain.

I'm sorry if this sounds like a conspiracy theory I'm on to, but I promise you all that "Yes we can!" will turn out to be "Why did we?"
 

spoadalive420

Active Member
Ouch, that sounds bad. You never know maybe he will listen to what america had to say and work MJ back in. It would be a huge market. And as for the socialist thing, a bunch of stoners would happily work, and work hard for low pay. If one were to get into that MJ industry early it could grow big capital. I have been looking for what companies are going to be getting the contracts for this "rewiring of the country" I could see how that could save power. I just want to make sure that we are not going to get government "busy work" like we got in public schools growing up. These projects must truly be where the future "lies".
 

spoadalive420

Active Member
Love the min pin. great dogs. Mine is chilled, she is an excellent little watch dog. Nobody has ever used the doorbell. Almost used her pic as my av. but she is way to fem. still love her. Live Portable Heater.
 

greenearth5

Well-Known Member
NuteGreenwitch

There's no point arguing a conservative point of view on a marijuana forum.... no matter what you say or how valid your point is, you will lose on here.

Setting self up for failure so quick?
:leaf:
Now then, let it be known that it IS possible to be a conservative marijuana smoker,

Also a dumb ass can do this too
:leaf:
and keep in mind, it seems as of late more Republicans are leaning on the side of decriminalization of marijuana and instead of prison time for drugs, they are suggesting rehab.

Like george bush and his war on medical marijuana shops?
:leaf:

I don't see the libs doing anything or saying anything about this - in fact, many in Obama's cabinet deplore the use of marijuana and are advocates of prison for such offenses. His own VP is one of them.

Hes told the DEA to stop raiding medical marijuana dispensaries.... still better then any republican has done
:leaf:
I hate to say this, but the states that will move forward on their own already have, I believe.

Several states are in the process of legalizing medical marijuana as we speak. Thanks to the democrats over powering the republicans we can finally legalize weed
:leaf:

And the ones that need a push from the feds... well, has Obama lived up to ANY promise he's made thus far?

He said he would not use tax money for the dea to undermind the states government and there choice on medical marijuana. YES HE DID LIVE UP TO THIS
:leaf:

Look, he already promised emphatically that his administration and policies would be transparent to the American people - HAH! Nobody but Pelosi, Reid, Obama, and that ilk knew of anything about this "stimulus" bill, and look what this shit has done to the markets!!!

This is the only valid and intelligent comment that ill give you
:leaf:

OMG - people are in for a REAL shock with Obama. I'm going to give you people 6 months to stomach your decision in electing him. You will find out soon enough where the country is heading - and if you can't see now, take the blinders off.

Sounds prejudice here
:leaf:

This isn't about Republican or Democrat

I believe you (not)
:leaf:

- you don't have either in office now. You have a socialist who will turn our country into a third-world power and we will soon enough be begging for aid from China and Russia.

Your god George Bush was already on his hands and knees suckin the chinese guys dick for money to help fund the war...
:leaf:

Other countries are already plotting territory to claim - businesses to wreck, buy, and re-build for their own financial gain.

This is already happening and started under the dictatorship of bush
:leaf:

I'm sorry if this sounds like a conspiracy theory I'm on to, but I promise you all that "Yes we can!" will turn out to be "Why did we?"[/quote]

I think your all quacks.. what do i care
:leaf:
 

PNWsasquatch

Active Member
There's no point arguing a conservative point of view on a marijuana forum.... no matter what you say or how valid your point is, you will lose on here. Now then, let it be known that it IS possible to be a conservative marijuana smoker, and keep in mind, it seems as of late more Republicans are leaning on the side of decriminalization of marijuana and instead of prison time for drugs, they are suggesting rehab.

Alsmot all Republicans/conservatives would love to see ALL smokers go to prison for life. This country is full of SOOOO many ignorant people. You talk as though the Republicans would support you, wrong they would love to see your ass die in a prison cell. Republicans= greed and selfishness.
You are a huge minority among conservatives.
 

NuteGreenwitch

Well-Known Member
Did I say I was a Bush supporter? Is it that anyone who disagrees with Obama's policies to strip away two fold dollar for dollar what tax payers have invested in their country to build a solid foundation for their children and children's children - is it safe to say that anyone who questions the current Congress's motivation for pushing such a wasteful spending bill is a Bush supporter?

Are you beholden to Obama just because he's got a (D) after his name? Some people will choose to stand behind a person no matter what just because of the platform he/she stands on. He's also a great orator and has a very forceful, commanding tone about him. Would you tell me exactly what about Obama has swayed you to think he will live up to his promise(s) regarding medical marijuana reform besides his effective communication skills? You claim that I made a valid point when I mentioned his broken promises of making his office/administration more transparent for the American people. This is something he told the masses to get elected. He also told interested parties that he didn't believe medical marijuana patients rights should be infringed - ***DEA raids are continuing***

How many broken promises will it take for you to realize that he is just a politician with a (D) after his name and a (D) will not save the (d)ay!
 

PNWsasquatch

Active Member
I want to give the man a chance, even if it were McCain I would give him time. Obama has it so hard starting off with shit, but he can honestly say when he makes mistakes, and honesty is something the American people have not had in some time. I am not saying that Democrats are the greatest thing ever, but in the history of this country we have had our great share of republicans, I think it would only be fair to give the same chance to the other side. Sadly though to many American's are to ignorant and to impatient to give the President a chance. I am very scared that people are already labeling the man a failure (both sides/dems and repubs), when that is not fair. Is this country to seperated to come together? Sometimes I feel like America would be better off in two.....Am I alone?
 

NuteGreenwitch

Well-Known Member
Actually, if the country were divided in two strictly on party, you might as well count on civil war. If the country were divided into two on policy and law, anyone INCLUDING US POT SMOKERS who wanted their family to live an honest, civilized lifestyle where you WORK for what you have in life and where you can count on your children LEARNING in school rather than being INDOCTRINATED in school - we'd section off the country accordingly, and perhaps live a fruitful existence. But we'd have to find a way to keep the trash out... walls don't work very well.
 

CrackerJax

New Member
Yeah and he applied to the University of Texas School of Law in 1970 and was not accepted...then in '73 he got into Harvard. Now take a look at what dear old dad was up to in '70 and then '73.

Any idiot can graduate from a college in this country, yes even Harvard. W. is living proof.
Obama was "given" his post at Harvard as well. A very well connected Saudi wrote a letter which assured his admission.

The point being of course it's what you do once you are there. Bush partied (i would and di as well, who doesn't?!), then got a bit more serious and moved up to grad school. Not exactly a dumbass....

As for all the partying, I think that makes you normal. I don't think Bush ever thought he was going to run for president EVER...at least not when he was muff diving at the sororities.. :mrgreen: :clap: good for him.

As for who Obama was in school...it all seems to be a gray area...hazy. Is he smart? Sure he is, so are lots of people. Hardly a clinching qualification. Otherwise Bill Buckley would have been President!!! I miss ol' Bill.

out. :blsmoke:
 

420weedman

Well-Known Member
Obama was "given" his post at Harvard as well. A very well connected Saudi wrote a letter which assured his admission.

The point being of course it's what you do once you are there. Bush partied (i would and di as well, who doesn't?!), then got a bit more serious and moved up to grad school. Not exactly a dumbass....

As for all the partying, I think that makes you normal. I don't think Bush ever thought he was going to run for president EVER...at least not when he was muff diving at the sororities.. :mrgreen: :clap: good for him.

As for who Obama was in school...it all seems to be a gray area...hazy. Is he smart? Sure he is, so are lots of people. Hardly a clinching qualification. Otherwise Bill Buckley would have been President!!! I miss ol' Bill.

out. :blsmoke:
ok dont pick my quotes to respond to :mrgreen::blsmoke::twisted:
 

greenearth5

Well-Known Member
I think its time to reduce our federal government and get rid of most everyone in it.... shrink its role in the states and the world... allow the states to decide there laws from now on:bigjoint:

I want to give the man a chance, even if it were McCain I would give him time. Obama has it so hard starting off with shit, but he can honestly say when he makes mistakes, and honesty is something the American people have not had in some time. I am not saying that Democrats are the greatest thing ever, but in the history of this country we have had our great share of republicans, I think it would only be fair to give the same chance to the other side. Sadly though to many American's are to ignorant and to impatient to give the President a chance. I am very scared that people are already labeling the man a failure (both sides/dems and repubs), when that is not fair. Is this country to seperated to come together? Sometimes I feel like America would be better off in two.....Am I alone?
 

CrackerJax

New Member
we got dems WMD's here and we gots to find them :bigjoint:

why all this talk about blowing trillions now that its for the citizens of the USA for once ????????? :lol::lol::lol:

is this what I am supposed to respond to? :lol: I don't mean to leave you out, I don't work on this zone's posts too much, I save that for more serious forums...but sure, let's take a look shall we?

Blowing trillions is never good..... I certainly don't mind giving the economy a nudge (that's all it needs), but to nudge with the biggest boondoggle of a bill with no debate? That is NOOB and reckless. There are far more efficient ways of stimulating the economy and the fact that this was concocted and voted on in three weeks means Obama is beholding to special interests, just like every other politician. So with that firmly in hand we can only go by his promises (he has no actual experience to go by other than the fact that he voted for ANY increased spending when he was a plebescite Senator). So what has he promised?
Bipartisanship....didn't happen.
An end to the good ol boy network...look at who is in his cabinet and see...didn't happen.

It's going to be a bumpy ride needlessly..... there is and was no CRISIS...... but I do see one coming now.

As for the citizens, wouldn't it be far more EFFICIENT and EQUAL to simply suspend payroll taxes for a year? Everybody gets more money each week....money they have EARNED. For that year EVERYONE will want a job...unemployment will drop. Cut the corp's capital gains tax to 10% for three to five years and quit double taxing them on overseas profits and two more things will happen.... Job creation and INVESTMENT will occur, both domestic and foreign. Right now as we speak, foreign capital is FLEEING the US (not good at all) and US based corps are moving their headquarters offshore to less hostile environments (terrible for us). Obama addresses none of these things in his bill. Basically he is going to bloat the govt. jobs. Great, more tax burdens on the people down the road. That's nice. By the way govt unemployment is at 2%...2%! This is where we need to put our dollars?
Bailouts are not over...this is an installement plan of disaster of monumental proportions..... right now we are being spoon fed the medicine.... if it stopped at a trillion bucks, we'd be in trouble but it won't....it's going up up up... for as the majority of folks have swallowed the LIE of a CRISIS.... it's easy pickins for a spend spend spend liberal President.

Just what we need in times of financial problems...a spender.... ugh.... NOOB.

Feel better? :mrgreen:

out. :blsmoke:
 

420weedman

Well-Known Member
didnt the gov just give billions to wallstreet/banks ... and THEN after its in their hands... tell them how the money can be used. bank - "ohhh i thought this money is supposed to be a bonus for the CEO's that lost all of our money, we need more now !":cuss:

i dont see how suspending payroll taxes will make unemployment drop ? plenty of people looking for jobs NOW w/ payroll taxes. last time i heard the real figure on unemployment is around 10%..
we have had plenty of "tax cuts" .... look how good those workd:mrgreen:
 

CrackerJax

New Member
Payroll taxes suspended coupled with corporate tax drops will ALWAYS create jobs.... we need our corp's to do the heavy lifting. You give money to PRODUCERS, not CONSUMERS. A simple but direct Reaganomics plan is all that is needed to stem the worst...but we have exactly the wrong people in there right now to achieve it. No, they would have us believe that growing the Govt. is the solution..... uh huh.

And by the Govt. deciding how the money will be used means cronyism form the top of Govt. will work its way into every private sector, not unlike Stalinist Russia. It's only a matter of degrees....left unchecked and the Govt. given the BOOT out of the private sector is our only hope to prosperity... oh that is a bad word now isn't it?

The autos are now at their breaking point and the money just given them has been wasted... you don't throw good money at bad books... you scratch them. The banks should be allowed to fail, and new banks should be given the money with a clean set of books and proper credit leverages, which are now completely out of whack.

While the unemployment rate is around 10%, the vast majority of your tax money will go to reduce govt. unemployment which is at 2%...hence my consternation. 1i/10 of 1 % of the bill's money will go to small business which creates between 60 to 80% of all jobs in the US. It's an abortion of a bill.

out. :blsmoke:
 

420weedman

Well-Known Member
what does any of this half to do with obama and legalization?

i duno ... but if this is legal,pot should be

"
[edit] Adverse effects

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fluoxetine_20mg_with_Packet.jpg
Fluoxetine capsules (20 mg), as sold in the United Kingdom


According to the manufacturer of Prozac brand of fluoxetine Eli Lilly, fluoxetine is contraindicated in individuals taking monoamine oxidase inhibitors, pimozide (Orap) or thioridazine (Mellaril).[9] The prescribing information recommends that the treatment of the patients with liver impairment "must be approached with caution". The elimination of fluoxetine and its metabolite norfluoxetine is about twice slower in these patients, resulting in the proportionate increase of exposure to the drug.[9]
Among the common adverse effects associated with fluoxetine and listed in the prescribing information, the effects with the greatest difference from placebo are nausea (22% vs 9% for placebo), insomnia (19% vs 10% for placebo), somnolence (12% vs 5% for placebo), anorexia (10% vs 3% for placebo), anxiety (12% vs 6% for placebo), nervousness (13% vs 8% for placebo), asthenia (11% vs 6% for placebo) and tremor (9% vs 2% for placebo). Those that most often resulted in interruption of the treatment were anxiety, insomnia, and nervousness (1-2% each), and in pediatric trials—mania (2%).[9]
In addition, rash or urticaria, sometimes serious, was observed in 7% patients in clinical trials; one-third of these cases resulted in discontinuation of the treatment. Postmarketing reports note several cases of complications developed in patients with rash. The symptoms included vasculitis and lupus-like syndrome. Death has been reported to occur in association with these systemic events.[9]
Akathisia, that is inner tension, restlessness, and the inability to stay still, often accompanied by "constant pacing, purposeless movements of the feet and legs, and marked anxiety," is a common side effect of fluoxetine.[22][23] Akathisia usually begins after the initiation of the treatment or increase of the dose and disappears after fluoxetine is stopped or its dose is decreased, or after treatment with propranolol.[24][25][22] There are case reports directly linking akathisia with suicidal attempts, with patients feeling better after the withdrawal of fluoxetine, and again developing severe akathisia on repeated exposure to fluoxetine. These patients described "that the development of the akathisia made them feel suicidal and that it had precipitated their prior suicide attempts."[25] The experts note that because of the link of akathisia with suicide and the distress it causes to the patient, "it is of vital importance to increase awareness amongst staff and patients of the symptoms of this relatively common condition".[26][27] The initiation of suicidal ideation with fluoxetine does not appear to be higher than that seen with other antidepressants.[28] It is possible however, that individuals with a impulse control problems are more prone to paradoxical psyhiatric adverse effects of fluoxetine.[29] More rarely, fluoxetine has been associated with related movement disorders acute dystonia and tardive dyskinesia.[23][30][31]
Other side effects may occur, including sexual dysfunction. Possible sexual side effects can include anorgasmia, reduced libido and impotence.[32]
Fluoxetine taken during pregnancy also increases rate of poor neonatal adaptation.[32] Because fluoxetine is excreted in human milk, nursing while on fluoxetine is not recommended.[33] The American Association of Pediatrics classifies fluoxetine as a drug for which the effect on the nursing infant is unknown but may be of concern.[34]

[edit] Discontinuation syndrome

Main article: SSRI discontinuation syndrome
Several case reports in the literature describe severe withdrawal or discontinuation symptoms following an abrupt interruption of fluoxetine treatment.[35] It is generally believed that the side effects of the fluoxetine discontinuation are mild,[35] and one of the recommended strategies for the management of discontinuation syndrome with other SSRIs is to substitute fluoxetine for the original agent.[36][37] The double-blind controlled studies support this opinion. No increase in side effects was observed in several studies when the treatment with fluoxetine was blindly interrupted for a short time (4-8 days) and then re-instated, this result being consistent with its slow elimination from the body. More side effects occurred during the interruption of sertraline in these studies, and significantly more—during the interruption of paroxetine.[38] In a longer, 6 week-long, blind discontinuation study, insignificantly higher (32% vs 27%) overall rate of new or worsened side effects was observed in the group that discontinued fluoxetine than in the group that continued treatment. However, significantly higher 4% rate of somnolence at week 2 and 5-7% rate of dizziness at weeks 4-6 were reported by the patients in the discontinuation group. This prolonged course of the discontinuation symptoms, with dizziness persisting to the end of the study, is also consistent with the long half-life of fluoxetine in the body.[39]

[edit] Suicidality in antidepressant trials

The FDA requires all antidepressants, including fluoxetine, to carry a black box warning stating that antidepressants may increase the risk of suicide in persons younger than 25. This warning is based on statistical analyses conducted by two independent groups of the FDA experts that found a 2-fold increase of the suicidal ideation and behavior in children and adolescents, and 1.5-fold increase of suicidality in the 18–24 age group. The suicidality was slightly decreased for those older than 24, and statistically significantly lower in the 65 and older group.[40][41][42] This analysis was criticized by Donald Klein who noted that suicidality, that is suicidal ideation and behavior, is not necessarily a good surrogate marker for completed suicide, and it is still possible that antidepressants may prevent actual suicide while increasing suicidality.[43] This opinion goes against the general consensus that "suicidal ideation has been associated with suicide attempt in retrospective studies and with suicide in prospective studies."[44]

[edit] Suicidality and fluoxetine

Suicidal ideation and behavior in clinical trials are rare. For the above analysis the FDA combined the results of 295 trials of 11 antidepressants for psychiatric indications in order to obtain statistically significant results. Considered separately, fluoxetine use in children increased the odds of suicidality by 50% (not statistically significant),[45] and in adults decreased the odds of suicidality by approximately 30% (statistically significant).[41][42] Similarly, the analysis conducted by the UK MHRA found a 50% increase of odds of suicide-related events, not reaching statistical significance, in the children and adolescents on fluoxetine as compared to the ones on placebo. According to the MHRA data, for adults fluoxetine did not change the rate of self-harm and statistically significantly decreased suicidal ideation by 50%.[46][47]"
 
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