Obama 2008

skippy pb

skippy pb

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Both politicans suck bottom line.

If you like obamas speeches enough to sway your presidential desicion in any way your an "idiot". His speeches are garabage. There great speeches he gives but this is not the same thing as a great presidential speech. Hes an empty suit, you cant depict his policys from his speechs. This doesn't make a great presidential speech
(Just wanted to throw that out there, just for anyone that it applys to. Wether democratic or republican. But defiantly not geared toward any outstanding democrates)

Now for the 700 billion dollar debt this isn't anyone one partys fault they are both to blame. And if you want to blame the repulicain party and call them ignorant. You firstly make yourself look like a moron and you can shove your thoughts up your ass and shut up.
This didnt start with bush, clinton okayd the bill that MADE the banks give out bad loans to people who were unqualified for them. Thats what is causing the bank issue, which was over looked for many years. Its been put aside till the bubble burst and we now have an epicdemic. This is no one partys fault, to think so your an ignorant jackass.

Bush's war in iraq was okay'd by the legaslative branch, remember that. One man cant be blamed for it. And for all you that say our soilders are being killed for no reason, REMEMBER that they opt to go to war. When they enlist freewill they are saying they are willing to die for our country.

Bush was doing what he thought was the best choice for our country AND WE ELECTED HIM TO MAKE SUCH DESICIONS. So we have no one to blame but ourselves for those that voted for him to be elected once AND reelected for a second term
(intended only for those who voted for him and changed sides to complain, i know of a few who are in this group)



All in all my main point is im sick of all these uneducated opinions im hearing. Not to say i possess more knowledge or a high level of intellect but im sick of everyone saying incorrect fact. Or these rediculous comments which blame bush for the all our problems.
 
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thegoods217

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i didnt say i was a republican did i? I am a supporter of the Ron Paul R3volution! He is supporting Chuck Baldwin and so am I. Nothing will change with either candidates of the 2-party system. Its just one large party w/ the same views, just different faces representing them.
 
bicycle racer

bicycle racer

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i agree our 2 party system is long broken the simple fact that monatary contributions to candidates from large companies and the fact that the ellectoral college is legal is very disturbing. i would prefer ron paul over the others. i dont vote because of contributions to partys and because the electoral college exists. that said of our 2 crappy choices the dems do less damage less quickly this is just fact to anyone who has had there eyes open for the last 8 years i dont defend either party particularly but side with the least damaging of the 2 forced choices. any party that allows religion to shape there views and policy decisions is to be feared by anyone not of the same feather history has long proved this. sheep like thinking shows a lack of intelligence and insight and is a sing of spiritual weakness. generally the higher the education level the more likely you are to vote dem google studies on this. i find it ammusing that cannabis users or growers on this sight would defend the madness of the last few years when the people you defend dont care about you and would quickly put you in jail given the chance because you dont fit into there narrow view of whats acceptable in society. if you want to perpetuate this sick way of thinking go ahead but i feel some of you are deeply confused it ussualy stems from people simply following the politics of there parents it is just sad the lack of freethought even among cannabis users. i like how people are quick to curse and hurl insults instead of making there point easy to do on the internet little minded people make me laugh then cry then smoke a bowlbongsmilie :peace:
 
ceestyle

ceestyle

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suedonimn said:
VS. Taking MONEY out of the equation, and calling all those who WANT a well run government to step up? These kinds of actions can be totally realized through the instruments made available to us as human beings, being born on the soil protected by such instruments. The Declaration of Independence is one such Instrument, left to We the People, in there are IDEAS about Freewill that only scratch the surface, and of the Ultimate Responibility in Realizing this Actuallity.
I would be proud to stand up and take minimum wage to run any aspect of any Government Institution that could find use for a man of many talents, who is always willing to learn something new. The problem is this, Ceestyle, anyone with any Political Clout is there because they accepted the MONEY, and were willing too... Gov. Schwartzinegger is no exception he already had MONEY. I have lived on less than $10,000.00 for the last 3 years, including my imediate family(my wife, and step child) on less than $20,000.00 for that same time period. I do not need anymore than what I have, but without question of course I WANT more, that is Human Nature. So I only see taking away the ability to satisfy the WANT the only way to assure what you need is there.
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You see, I don't think it's the money from salary that is necessary to take out of the equation. It is the fringe benefits from those that wish to see their agendas carried out in Congress that make being a lawmaker profitable. I think it is still reasonable to pay a decent salary to government representatives, as long as it is their sole source of job-related income. Any presidential candidate can make easily 10x what they do as salary in office as a lawyer and consultant.
 
ceestyle

ceestyle

Well-Known Member
skippy pb said:
Both politicans suck bottom line.

If you like obamas speeches enough to sway your presidential desicion in any way your an "idiot". His speeches are garabage. There great speeches he gives but this is not the same thing as a great presidential speech. Hes an empty suit, you cant depict his policys from his speechs. This doesn't make a great presidential speech
(Just wanted to throw that out there, just for anyone that it applys to. Wether democratic or republican. But defiantly not geared toward any outstanding democrates)

Now for the 700 billion dollar debt this isn't anyone one partys fault they are both to blame. And if you want to blame the repulicain party and call them ignorant. You firstly make yourself look like a moron and you can shove your thoughts up your ass and shut up.
This didnt start with bush, clinton okayd the bill that MADE the banks give out bad loans to people who were unqualified for them. Thats what is causing the bank issue, which was over looked for many years. Its been put aside till the bubble burst and we now have an epicdemic. This is no one partys fault, to think so your an ignorant jackass.

Bush's war in iraq was okay'd by the legaslative branch, remember that. One man cant be blamed for it. And for all you that say our soilders are being killed for no reason, REMEMBER that they opt to go to war. When they enlist freewill they are saying they are willing to die for our country.

Bush was doing what he thought was the best choice for our country AND WE ELECTED HIM TO MAKE SUCH DESICIONS. So we have no one to blame but ourselves for those that voted for him to be elected once AND reelected for a second term
(intended only for those who voted for him and changed sides to complain, i know of a few who are in this group)



All in all my main point is im sick of all these uneducated opinions im hearing. Not to say i possess more knowledge or a high level of intellect but im sick of everyone saying incorrect fact. Or these rediculous comments which blame bush for the all our problems.
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Learn how to spell "democrat" and I might be able to take you seriously. Nobody here is arguing that either candidate is great. I'm simply arguing that the logic that either candidate will result in the same four years is ridiculous, and one only need look backward over the last eight years to realize that.
 
suedonimn

suedonimn

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Let me just say this... I really believe it is too late for our country. We have to try to fix at least a Hundred years of abuse of our system... I believe it is more like since the "Civil War". We the People have been handed down a House that is run by servants. Which is what the President and all others are, PUBLIC SERVANTS, elected or otherwise appointed. It is when We the People started giving AUTHORITY away to these servants making Leaders of ordinary men. We the People have very little authority left, and these state schools are putting out students that believe we have no authority, and that government would be better if it were the the only entity with any authority. Just to serve as an example: Ceestyle say you own a very prosperus fairly good size ranch, you have ranch hands and other servants around the house because you can not do it all. Now your ranch hands and house servants are very good at what they do, so they demand you pay them more for their service. You already pay more than all your neighbors, and think that should be quite sufficient. However your servants have other ideas. Lets say that things are not getting done quite as well as they should for the next couple months, instead of hireing new servants you give these a raise. Well that did not work out so well because that time that they did not do their work correctly made an impact and this year you take a loss on your ranch, your servants decide since you helped them they will help you, so they all pool some money and bail you out, with one condition you make them all partners. Now you are in trouble your servants are now equal to you and you have lost all authority in your own house. The next year your PARTNERS buy you out then hire you as a hand and pay you less than you paid them to begin with and charge you with most of the work. This is what has happened to this country, of course on a much more grand scale. How do we get the house back legally, and without violence? I do not know... this saddens me greatly.
 
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