Obama 2008
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thegoods217
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speak for yourself...
suedonimn
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I am neither a Republicrat nor a Democan... and if you think anything is going to change because Obama is elected, then tell me why the same MULTICONGLOMERATE INTERNATIONAL CORPORATIONS each donate the same amount to each nominee of the two dominent parties? There is no diffrence and your vote does not mean crap when you are told who you can vote for. Go ahead tell me how wrong I am...
jakethetank
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If you vote for mcCain your an idiot, him and that bitch are just going to run this country into a bigger shithole then it already is. That bitch running for VP is the stupidest person i know, she has fucked up in the past and is extremely ignorant. A vote fror McCain is a vote for stupidity
suedonimn
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I am neither a Republicrat nor a Democan... and if you think anything is going to change because McCain is elected, then tell me why the same MULTICONGLOMERATE INTERNATIONAL CORPORATIONS each donate the same amount to each nominee of the two dominent parties? There is no diffrence and your vote does not mean crap when you are told who you can vote for. Go ahead tell me how wrong I am...
suedonimn
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All I was trying to do is make a little joke... a play on words, abomination Obamanation... but clearly democrats have lost there sense of HUMOR. What other senses have you lost? Sorry you could not just laugh, and move on... but name calling and leaving comments like I am stupid or a moron clearly shows that you have nothing important to say. When you can only resort to name calling and cannot support an argument with facts and other intelligent pieces of information you have already LOST the argument.
Love you bye.
Love you bye.
notpatient
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I would like to say first off Im an idiot a true waste of space but more importantly I have a sense a humor and talking bout politics is not a funny subject EVER !!!!
Im not going to say that bush fucked our country or that republicans are one sided but,,,,,,,if I didnt have a second income I would be really worried.
Playin on words is funny payin for gas is not, 700 billion dollar life rafts is not funny but there not loosing a thing and for some reason Im laughin my ass off , HA - HA , I think
Im not going to say that bush fucked our country or that republicans are one sided but,,,,,,,if I didnt have a second income I would be really worried.
Playin on words is funny payin for gas is not, 700 billion dollar life rafts is not funny but there not loosing a thing and for some reason Im laughin my ass off , HA - HA , I think
ceestyle
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While fundamentally, much won't change, we have to start somewhere. One need only look at energy and foreign policy to see that there are vast differences between the two candidates. Or would you argue that we would be in the same position if we'd had Gore in office instead? That is a foolish argument to make.Do you know why Obama will not win the election?
Because NOBODY like s an obamanation... yeah OK!
In order to get the ship moving, it must first be righted. Voting for a candidate you don't believe in may be undemocratic, but the alternative is far worse.
suedonimn
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"If you VOTE for the lesser of two evils, you are still VOTING for evil" - Jerry Garcia
The President has over 500 advisors working night and day all around whom ever the President might be... he/she does not write their own speaches except to put in a joke or two, maybe 15 if your talking Bush, what you say and what you do as President of the United States is a direct result of what the people who have the MONEY to have your ear want. The people with the MONEY are Walmart, Standard Oil, Dupont, Phillip Morris... and so on the list is many more names like these, and remember these "people"(Walmart and such) are everywhere in every state in almost every city. Tell me who else can be in more than one place at anygiven time.
Take the MONEY out of politics, do not allow anyone to buy canidates(no donations to politicians), and pay every PUBLIC SERVANT from the President down minimun wage. That will cause change.
"When the servant takes the head of the house, it no longer is your house"
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher, 1788-1860
"Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful. This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world government."
-- Henry Kissinger speaking at Evian, France, May 21, 1992 Bilderburgers meeting. Unbeknownst to Kissinger, his speech was taped by a Swiss delegate to the meeting
"The high office of President has been used to foment a plot to destroy the American's freedom, and before I leave office I must inform the citizen of his plight."
--John F. Kennedy, at Columbia University, 10 days before his assassination.
"The secret to success is to own nothing, but control everything."
--Nelson Rockefeller
"I want to own nothing and control everything"
--J D Rockefeller I
"The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining supercapitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control.... Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent."
--Larry P. McDonald, US Congressman, 1976, killed in the Korean Airlines 747 that was shot down by the Soviets
"The real menace of our republic is this invisible government which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy length over city, state and nation. Like the octopus of real life, it operates under cover of a self created screen....At the head of this octopus are the Rockefeller Standard Oil interests and a small group of powerful banking houses generally referred to as international bankers. The little coterie of powerful international bankers virtually run the United States government for their own selfish purposes. They practically control both political parties."
-John F. Hylan, 1922, then mayor of New York City
"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and the corporations which grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."
-- Thomas Jefferson
"The real rulers in Washington are invisible, and exercise power from behind the scenes."
--Felix Frankfurter, Supreme Court Justice
"The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes."
--Benjamin Disraeli, first Prime Minister of England, in a novel he published in 1844 called Coningsby, the New Generation
"Gentlemen, I have had men watching you for a long time and I am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank. You tell me that if I take the deposits from the bank and annul its charter, I shall ruin ten thousand families. That may be true, gentlemen, but that is your sin! Should I let you go on, you will ruin fifty thousand families, and that would be my sin! You are a den of vipers and thieves."
--Attributed to President Andrew Jackson, who in 1836 forced the closing of the Second Bank of the U.S. by revoking its charter.
"If we were merely dealing with the law of averages, half of the events affecting our nation's well-being should be good for America. If we were dealing with mere incompetence, our leaders should occasionally make a mistake in our favor. We . . . are not dealing with coincidence or stupidity, but with planning and brilliance."
--Gary Allen, from his book None Dare Call It Conspiracy
"In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way." --Franklin D. Roosevelt
"As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression. In both instances, there's a twilight where everything remains seemingly unchanged, and it is in such twilight that we must be aware of change in the air, however slight, lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness."
--Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas
There are many conspiracy theories... but only ONE TRUE CONSPIRACY, that is the Conspiracy for your Soul. It is fine that you do not believe in Lucifer or Satan, there are plenty that do and are willing to do his bidding. Paranoia GOTTA love it.
ceestyle
Well-Known Member
This rhetoric does nothing for the future of our nation in the context of the upcoming election. It does not address any point in my post that is meaningful in this picture. You're free to vote for a third-party candidate (who I'd also probably rather see in office), but it will not effect any change. You can wax poetic about ideals all you like, but unless it is in the context of an action that will have a meaningful consequence, it is nothing more than rhetoric. Work within the system, not against it, and you can see your ideals come to fruition."If you VOTE for the lesser of two evils, you are still VOTING for evil" - Jerry Garcia
The President has over 500 advisors working night and day all around whom ever the President might be... he/she does not write their own speaches except to put in a joke or two, maybe 15 if your talking Bush, what you say and what you do as President of the United States is a direct result of what the people who have the MONEY to have your ear want. The people with the MONEY are Walmart, Standard Oil, Dupont, Phillip Morris... and so on the list is many more names like these, and remember these "people"(Walmart and such) are everywhere in every state in almost every city. Tell me who else can be in more than one place at anygiven time.
Take the MONEY out of politics, do not allow anyone to buy canidates(no donations to politicians), and pay every PUBLIC SERVANT from the President down minimun wage. That will cause change.
"When the servant takes the head of the house, it no longer is your house"
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher, 1788-1860
"Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful. This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world government."
-- Henry Kissinger speaking at Evian, France, May 21, 1992 Bilderburgers meeting. Unbeknownst to Kissinger, his speech was taped by a Swiss delegate to the meeting
"The high office of President has been used to foment a plot to destroy the American's freedom, and before I leave office I must inform the citizen of his plight."
--John F. Kennedy, at Columbia University, 10 days before his assassination.
"The secret to success is to own nothing, but control everything."
--Nelson Rockefeller
"I want to own nothing and control everything"
--J D Rockefeller I
"The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining supercapitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control.... Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent."
--Larry P. McDonald, US Congressman, 1976, killed in the Korean Airlines 747 that was shot down by the Soviets
"The real menace of our republic is this invisible government which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy length over city, state and nation. Like the octopus of real life, it operates under cover of a self created screen....At the head of this octopus are the Rockefeller Standard Oil interests and a small group of powerful banking houses generally referred to as international bankers. The little coterie of powerful international bankers virtually run the United States government for their own selfish purposes. They practically control both political parties."
-John F. Hylan, 1922, then mayor of New York City
"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and the corporations which grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."
-- Thomas Jefferson
"The real rulers in Washington are invisible, and exercise power from behind the scenes."
--Felix Frankfurter, Supreme Court Justice
"The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes."
--Benjamin Disraeli, first Prime Minister of England, in a novel he published in 1844 called Coningsby, the New Generation
"Gentlemen, I have had men watching you for a long time and I am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank. You tell me that if I take the deposits from the bank and annul its charter, I shall ruin ten thousand families. That may be true, gentlemen, but that is your sin! Should I let you go on, you will ruin fifty thousand families, and that would be my sin! You are a den of vipers and thieves."
--Attributed to President Andrew Jackson, who in 1836 forced the closing of the Second Bank of the U.S. by revoking its charter.
"If we were merely dealing with the law of averages, half of the events affecting our nation's well-being should be good for America. If we were dealing with mere incompetence, our leaders should occasionally make a mistake in our favor. We . . . are not dealing with coincidence or stupidity, but with planning and brilliance."
--Gary Allen, from his book None Dare Call It Conspiracy
"In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way." --Franklin D. Roosevelt
"As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression. In both instances, there's a twilight where everything remains seemingly unchanged, and it is in such twilight that we must be aware of change in the air, however slight, lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness."
--Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas
There are many conspiracy theories... but only ONE TRUE CONSPIRACY, that is the Conspiracy for your Soul. It is fine that you do not believe in Lucifer or Satan, there are plenty that do and are willing to do his bidding. Paranoia GOTTA love it.
Again - do you really think the US would be the same place if Gore or even Kerry had spent time in office rather than Bush? If so, we can end the argument here. If not, then you should address your decision for whom to vote for and the impact it will have on the next four years.
suedonimn
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"Again - do you really think the US would be the same place if Gore or even Kerry had spent time in office rather than Bush?" - ceestyle
Yes, I believe the United States would be the same place if Gore and Kerry were in office instead of Bush and Cheney. The Corporations wouldn't have it any other way. The US is beyond help, it was an absolutely fabulous IDEA, we are not responsible enough to keep it though. When the De Facto organization known as the US Government took control of this countries destiny after "the Civil War". Check it out, Marshall Law was never repealed, that is why in our court rooms they fly a Military flag, the US flag with gold trim is not for decoration it is very symbolic. Do NOT take my word for do your research find out for yourself. I pray you will see the truth. God Bless you.
Yes, I believe the United States would be the same place if Gore and Kerry were in office instead of Bush and Cheney. The Corporations wouldn't have it any other way. The US is beyond help, it was an absolutely fabulous IDEA, we are not responsible enough to keep it though. When the De Facto organization known as the US Government took control of this countries destiny after "the Civil War". Check it out, Marshall Law was never repealed, that is why in our court rooms they fly a Military flag, the US flag with gold trim is not for decoration it is very symbolic. Do NOT take my word for do your research find out for yourself. I pray you will see the truth. God Bless you.
ceestyle
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Please don't play enlightened with me.
Actually I meant Kerry OR Gore, since they ran different years, but the point is the same. I think you should probably review recent history (the past eight years) to realize that many critical policy decisions (that unarguably changed our country) would have gone quite differently even from the other side of the aisle.
So explain to me exactly what your game plan for changing this country? It sounds as if you advocate revolution. Is that the case? Tell me where we would start, since you seem to have such a firm grip on how our political system works.
bicycle racer
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im no fool as to history or the ways of the world or our pseudo-democracy but to claim there would be no difference in policy or current problems in any way with regards to bush/cheney as opposed to anyone else in office is a big stretch.
ceestyle
Well-Known Member
it's a big stretch to call that a big stretch
Baglady
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People can argue politics til the end of time. Democrats blame the Republicans and vice versa. What you all need to be doing now is getting ready for what is probably going to happen. People are going to get hungry. You need to figure out how you and your family can survive while everybody is killing everybody. We are over populated and it's not going to be nice.
suedonimn
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What has revolution ever done? It certainly does not solve anything, sure you can throw off the current set of "Leaders and the Laws" they impose upon you. What then? Will electing a new set of "Leaders and Laws" change the fact that you still have to get up everyday and go spend your valuable time slaving away at some task, while your spouse is off doing the same, and your children are being inoculated and indoctrinated into acceptance that that is just the way it is and you have to go with the flow... ignorance is bliss but becomes a hinderence, so what is the significance? Don't go gettin' all enlightened now, YA HEAR! I believe if you go back and read I said "Take the MONEY out of politics, do not allow anyone to buy canidates(no donations to politicians), and pay every PUBLIC SERVANT from the President down minimun wage. That will cause change. "
This is where I would start. I did not join the Military for the simple fact that I do not want to kill people. I do believe that is what it is when you are ORDERED to shoot, or in any way try to arrest the life of another on the whim of any organization, and not in being attacked directly. That means you get the first shot buddy so make it good, it does not mean I am not prepared to defend myself.
ceestyle
Well-Known Member
Ok, I agree with the spirit. Campaign finance reform is a good start, and absolutely vital. First, however, you need to have someone with some amount of political clout to effect that change.
You can't, however, pay all public servants minimum wage. You could never attract the most qualified to do a full-time job for that. Look at what effect underpaying our teachers is having on the quality of our education. If they paid me decently, I'd teach in public schools, but as it is I'd have a hard time feeding myself and my family.
suedonimn
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VS. Taking MONEY out of the equation, and calling all those who WANT a well run government to step up? These kinds of actions can be totally realized through the instruments made available to us as human beings, being born on the soil protected by such instruments. The Declaration of Independence is one such Instrument, left to We the People, in there are IDEAS about Freewill that only scratch the surface, and of the Ultimate Responibility in Realizing this Actuallity.
I would be proud to stand up and take minimum wage to run any aspect of any Government Institution that could find use for a man of many talents, who is always willing to learn something new. The problem is this, Ceestyle, anyone with any Political Clout is there because they accepted the MONEY, and were willing too... Gov. Schwartzinegger is no exception he already had MONEY. I have lived on less than $10,000.00 for the last 3 years, including my imediate family(my wife, and step child) on less than $20,000.00 for that same time period. I do not need anymore than what I have, but without question of course I WANT more, that is Human Nature. So I only see taking away the ability to satisfy the WANT the only way to assure what you need is there.
I would be proud to stand up and take minimum wage to run any aspect of any Government Institution that could find use for a man of many talents, who is always willing to learn something new. The problem is this, Ceestyle, anyone with any Political Clout is there because they accepted the MONEY, and were willing too... Gov. Schwartzinegger is no exception he already had MONEY. I have lived on less than $10,000.00 for the last 3 years, including my imediate family(my wife, and step child) on less than $20,000.00 for that same time period. I do not need anymore than what I have, but without question of course I WANT more, that is Human Nature. So I only see taking away the ability to satisfy the WANT the only way to assure what you need is there.