NW (US) outdoor pheno suggestions, experience, etc. (from clones)

Humanrob

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I'm wondering what strains you all have run and had solid success with in terms of relatively early finish, mold/mildew resistance, etc. Obviously we need to take a lot of precautions with any NW outdoor grow, but some strains just seem to pull through better than others.

My patient prefers Sativa dominant hybrids, so full on Indica's or even Indica dominant hybrids are not optimal for us (I know, they usually finish quicker).

Do any Oregon (on the wet side) or Washington growers have experience with some of the current popular hybrids like GG#4, Blue Dream, Bruce Banner... outside? I've also been really curious about some of the Jack Herer hybrids, like Jack Wreck ( x Trainwreck), J1 ( x Skunk #1), and Cinderella 99 ( x Shiva Skunk) -- any experience with these outside?

Inversely, if there is something I should definitely stay away from, that's good to know too. Thanks for sharing.
 
Humanrob

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Changed course, decided to go with seeds instead of clones for the outdoor. I've only grown from seeds once, its not my favorite activity, but supposedly I'll get a better plant for it.
 
WV: Jetson

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^^nice timing on your post :clap:^^

I'll be growing from seed (recreational), but I wouldn't call myself experienced... My understanding is better yields/results from seed vs. cuts? All of mine (so far!) are from OGS: Donkey Kong, Cindy's Blue Cheese and Strawberry hybrid {Eirdbei}
 
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@WV: Jetson Sounds like a good start. I've got a friend who loves Donkey Kong and I think I've heard its a good outdoor for the NW, but I didn't find those seeds myself.

I'm pretty new to this, it'll be my second outdoor this summer. I had some "mystery seeds" a friend gave me last year, no idea what they were. Turned out by FAR to be the best weed we grew that year, the rest were all clones. I've heard that seeds are hardier and more disease/pest resistant, my one experience (while anecdotal) definitely supports that.

I picked up some LSD (Mazar x Skunk #1) and some Dr. Who (Mad Scientist x Timewreck), both are high THC and PM resistant according to what I've read about them. There's some Cinderella 99 (Jack Herer x Shiva Skunk) available down the road from me... tempting, but I should be good for this year.
 
Humanrob

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WV: Jetson said:
All of mine (so far!) are from OGS
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You must have gotten an earlier start than I did... by the time I decided to look for seeds OGS was all sold out of all of the "popular" ones. I hit up a dispensary, prices are similar. Leafly will let you filter/search by flower, clone, etc -- but for some reason they don't have an option for seeds, so I had to manually look at all of the "menus" from local dispensaries to find a couple that carry seeds. But now I know, so next year it will be easier.
 
WV: Jetson

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Yeah, I was on her website a lot in December; she reloaded around Solstice? I was definitely bird dogging the site - I really like the idea of local seeds grown for our location. And her prices!

I grew bag seed last year and was successful enough to step up to purchased seed and a more focused grow. Seeds get started in a couple of weeks, I'm juked.

We are smoking some Dr. Who that was grown outside, from Southern Oregon. She's a nice, smooth high. I don't know anything about growing DH; but had I come across seeds, I'd have snagged 'em up!
 
Humanrob

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The Dr Who is supposed to be an overall hardy and compact plant and flowers quickly (55-60 days), and I read good things about its buzz, supposed to be a nice indica/sativa blend.

Last year we had a mild winter, and I put two girls out late April, two out mid-May. They got to be huge! Tragically, it was the first run on this property and we scoped out the yard's sun potential in February/March, figuring the sun's angle and sunny spots in the yard then would also be sunny in October to finish the plants. Did not take into account the deciduous trees that had no leaves in March... (D'oh!) Bottom line was some of the girls did not get enough late summer sun to fully mature, total loss on those particular ones. Others in other parts of the yard finished fine. We have since taken down a tree.

Had those girls finished, we would have had a stupid amount of pot to process and store. I've found on Craig's List there are people who will barter for weed, you can get everything from cars to chainsaws, but I'm not 100% sure I want to do that. But I guess that's always an option, if I have more than I know what to do with this fall.

This year I want them to be MUCH smaller. So I'll be planting outside around June 1st and about half of my outdoor will be in pots, some pots small enough to move into the garage if that will save them from heavy rain or wind come end of season. I will even finish some under lights in the garage if I have to.

Speaking of wind, I'm at the mouth of the wind tunnel/Gorge. I totally agree with your buying local, and next year I will be ready at the right time. I'm hoping someday they come up with not only PM resistant plants, but wind resistant plants! They can call it "Gorge Wind Event OG", or "Columbia River Hurricane Kush", or something. Silly, but wind late season is my biggest issue -- rain I can deal with, but keeping the rain cover down in 40mph winds... there's a challenge. Doable, but it takes more planning.
 
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WV: Jetson

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Are you in Portland or further east @Humanrob? I lived in Montavilla for 5 or 6 years back in the day. Those winter Gorge winds were brutal. Good luck with the strength of stem breeding program... and I think you should register those names!

I am a seed slut. I have way too many vegetable seeds - I can't pass a seed rack or catalog without stopping and usually buying. Definitely supporting the small, local farmers who are working on diversity preservation! Local seed will always grow better for ya! So, it's (probably) a good thing that MJ seeds are 5 bucks & up, each. That being said, Peak Seeds BC has a Northern Lights cross I keep going back to...
 
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Are you in Portland or further east @Humanrob? I lived in Montavilla for 5 or 6 years back in the day. Those winter Gorge winds were brutal. Good luck with the strength of stem breeding program... and I think you should register those names!

I am a seed slut. I have way too many vegetable seeds - I can't pass a seed rack or catalog without stopping and usually buying. Definitely supporting the small, local farmers who are working on diversity preservation! Local seed will always grow better for ya! So, it's (probably) a good thing that MJ seeds are 5 bucks & up, each. That being said, Peak Seeds BC has a Northern Lights cross I keep going back to...
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I've only sprouted (pot) from seeds once, so we'll see how this season goes and then I'll decide what my preference is. Clones are just so easy, and with all the dispensaries around there's so much selection. So at least for the indoor that seems like what I'll stick with.

Our yard is an edible landscape garden. Last year most of 'the girls' were in their own area, but this year they will be more fully integrated into the garden. There will be a system for late season hoop houses, but that's why I want them small and low this year, to make that whole process easier to manage.

I'm at the far NE corner of Multnomah County, "The Gateway to the Gorge". Our house actually faces the river at the top of a hill, so we're totally exposed to the phenomenon of wind events. Sometimes at night when a big gust bursts it sounds like a truck hit our house... the first winter here I had to remind myself that the house has been standing since the 1920's, if it hasn't blown over yet, it probably won't. We're used to it now. There are benefits, like we never have to rake leaves (really couldn't even if we wanted to). Our leaves end out scattered across Gresham, courtesy of the wind.
 
Humanrob

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I was about to start a thread with this topic when I had a strong Deja Vu moment... yeah, I already did! So I'm going to revive this. Things changed, and to some degree have changed back. I was going to work from clones, then from seeds, now I'm settling in at about 50/50. I'm not willing to lose 1/2 my head count to boys, so I'm not going all seeds, but since they are genetically stronger, I will do some.

I'm still very interested in the experiences NW'ers have had with various strains outdoors -- good and bad.

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GroErr

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Humanrob said:
I was about to start a thread with this topic when I had a strong Deja Vu moment... yeah, I already did! So I'm going to revive this. Things changed, and to some degree have changed back. I was going to work from clones, then from seeds, now I'm settling in at about 50/50. I'm not willing to lose 1/2 my head count to boys, so I'm not going all seeds, but since they are genetically stronger, I will do some.

I'm still very interested in the experiences NW'ers have had with various strains outdoors -- good and bad.

:)
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I hear that argument about better plants from seeds from time to time, I call bull-shit for outdoor unless you're maybe grabbing unreliable clones from a 3rd party. I bred and found a pheno of my Blue Ripper for a sat-dom pheno, 8 week or less finish with mould/PM resistance because my area is bad for humidity and PM. I'll be damned if I'm going to take a chance on seeds/phenos that may or may not have the finishing times and PM resistance when I have a proven pheno which I can grow from clone and guarantee the traits I want. I've never grown outdoor from seed, too much variation, possible males, unwanted traits, makes no sense to me. These were last year's, 2x 10gal plants, 21 zips dry, from a known clone with the traits I wanted, finished well before the frost hit, wtf's wrong with that? I grew guerilla outdoor for 20+ years, never a single seed. I'm in southern Ontario btw, I've grown anywhere from 43rd to 46th parallel where plants have to finish by 1st/2nd week of October or risk getting snowed on. Cheers.

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Humanrob

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GroErr said:
I hear that argument about better plants from seeds from time to time, I call bull-shit for outdoor unless you're maybe grabbing unreliable clones from a 3rd party. I bred and found a pheno of my Blue Ripper for a sat-dom pheno, 8 week or less finish with mould/PM resistance because my area is bad for humidity and PM. I'll be damned if I'm going to take a chance on seeds/phenos that may or may not have the finishing times and PM resistance when I have a proven pheno which I can grow from clone and guarantee the traits I want. I've never grown outdoor from seed, too much variation, possible males, unwanted traits, makes no sense to me. These were last year's, 2x 10gal plants, 21 zips dry, from a known clone with the traits I wanted, finished well before the frost hit, wtf's wrong with that? I grew guerilla outdoor for 20+ years, never a single seed. I'm in southern Ontario btw, I've grown anywhere from 43rd to 46th parallel where plants have to finish by 1st/2nd week of October or risk getting snowed on. Cheers.

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Thank you for that. This is one of those learning curve areas, where I'm compiling opinions and primarily anecdotal evidence, and trying to find the highest probability for success.

Last year someone gave us some seeds of unknown origin, and we planted a couple without much thought. We did not cover, spray, or barely fertilize that plant, and it had zero mold/mildew issues and finished the strongest of any of our plants (the rest being from clones). Total anecdotal evidence, but that did get me thinking because it supported an existing hypothesis. Most likely we lucked out, and that was a very fungi resistant strain vs. the clones I got from uninformed dispensaries.

This is a LINK to one post on a thread, but the whole thread is a half dozen pages of mixed opinions and experience on the topic of seeds vs clones. I don't have enough experience to have an opinion yet, the whole thing is a mystery to me. The idea of a tap root only occurring with seeds, and that somehow facilitating stronger growth makes sense, but that doesn't make it true. And like you said (paraphrasing) if less than perfect is still more than ample, is it worth the risk of an untested pheno?

The origin of the plant (clones or seeds) for me is now less of an issue than its genetics. @GroErr , you are doing some great work in that department, I hope you choose to go public as soon as... well, as soon as the Queen gives you the blessing! ;) In the mean time, at this point in the season I'm down to what I have on hand, or what I can pick up locally at dispensaries. My patient, for instance, really loves the GG#4 I just finished indoors. I suppose I could be the one to find out how that does outside, but I'm hoping someone can give me a clue.

Last year (in my first outdoor) I grew an Alien OG because it got rave reviews on here in an outdoor grow. After I got bud rot, I realized the grower reviewing it was in SoCal. Next to my Alien was a Chemdawg 91, it did not get bud rot. Now I know its a more resilient plant for my climate (I'd grow that again, but my patient has been smoking it for about 6 months straight and would like to switch things up if possible). That's the kind of info I'm after.
 
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GroErr

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Humanrob said:
Thank you for that. This is one of those learning curve areas, where I'm compiling opinions and primarily anecdotal evidence, and trying to find the highest probability for success.

Last year someone gave us some seeds of unknown origin, and we planted a couple without much thought. We did not cover, spray, or barely fertilize that plant, and it had zero mold/mildew issues and finished the strongest of any of our plants (the rest being from clones). Total anecdotal evidence, but that did get me thinking because it supported an existing hypothesis. Most likely we lucked out, and that was a very fungi resistant strain vs. the clones I got from uninformed dispensaries.

This is a LINK to one post on a thread, but the whole thread is a half dozen pages of mixed opinions and experience on the topic of seeds vs clones. I don't have enough experience to have an opinion yet, the whole thing is a mystery to me. The idea of a tap root only occurring with seeds, and that somehow facilitating stronger growth makes sense, but that doesn't make it true. And like you said (paraphrasing) if less than perfect is still more than ample, is it worth the risk of an untested pheno?

The origin of the plant (clones or seeds) for me is now less of an issue than its genetics. @GroErr , you are doing some great work in that department, I hope you choose to go public as soon as... well, as soon as the Queen give you the blessing! ;) In the mean time, at this point in the season I'm down to what I have on hand, or what I can pick up locally at dispensaries. My patient, for instance, really loves the GG#4 I just finished indoors. I suppose I could be the one to find out how that does outside, but I'm hoping someone can give me a clue.

Last year (in my first outdoor) I grew an Alien OG because it got rave reviews on here in an outdoor grow. After I got bud rot, I realized the grower reviewing it was in SoCal. Next to my Alien was a Chemdawg 91, it did not get bud rot. Now I know its a more resilient plant for my climate (I'd grow that again, but my patient has been smoking it for about 6 months straight and would like to switch things up if possible). That's the kind of info I'm after.
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Just posting my own experiences, doesn't mean it's right but I ran large grows for years and to me a plant is a plant and has the same potential whether from seed or clone. Key I think for outdoor or indoor is to establish a good root system and imo you don't need a seed to do that, you need the right conditions and methodology.

You hear people complaining about variation in strains/phenos and I've certainly experienced it whether fems or regs with commercial seeds. In an area where you have a very small window of opportunity to finish them outdoor is a huge factor that I wasn't willing to take a chance on. If I were further south and had a bigger growing window I may have done things differently.

Lol, the Queen won't have much to say on legalizing MJ but it's sure looking like our prime minister is going to make it happen. Keeping a close eye on the laws and hoping there's a place for small breeders. Don't see myself ever truly retiring but doing some work in the industry for my "retirement" would be a great way to bow out ;)
 
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given a choice outdoors(in socal) I would always choose: Sativas

let them get massive out of control, till you see what looks like dead rabbits, but its turn out they are just really stoned....
 
Humanrob

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GroErr said:
Just posting my own experiences, doesn't mean it's right but I ran large grows for years and to me a plant is a plant and has the same potential whether from seed or clone. Key I think for outdoor or indoor is to establish a good root system and imo you don't need a seed to do that, you need the right conditions and methodology.

You hear people complaining about variation in strains/phenos and I've certainly experienced it whether fems or regs with commercial seeds. In an area where you have a very small window of opportunity to finish them outdoor is a huge factor that I wasn't willing to take a chance on. If I were further south and had a bigger growing window I may have done things differently.

Lol, the Queen won't have much to say on legalizing MJ but it's sure looking like our prime minister is going to make it happen. Keeping a close eye on the laws and hoping there's a place for small breeders. Don't see myself ever truly retiring but doing some work in the industry for my "retirement" would be a great way to bow out ;)
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I have the utmost respect for your opinions and experience, and I hope I didn't come across as anything else. :)
I've only been growing for a little over a year, coming up on my second outdoor and just flipped my 6th indoor to flower -- so I am very much a "newbie". I truly appreciate you sharing what has worked for you over the years. It has taken me a while to learn what the right questions are, and how to filter the information that comes back based on the location, grow methods, and goals of the person who has answered. There are a lot of right answers and some contradict each other, but they are each right in different circumstances. I'll be learning for a long time to come.
 
Humanrob

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SoOLED said:
given a choice outdoors(in socal) I would always choose: Sativas

let them get massive out of control, till you see what looks like dead rabbits, but its turn out they are just really stoned....
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I was doing some searches, and came across a thread from last year where a NW grower was saying that this year he's going to grow more Sativa dominant hybrids, because the Indica plants are not as mold resistant. The two-edged sword is that Sativas tend to take longer to flower, and the end of our season is the danger zone where we can lose several months worth of work in a very short amount of time. Each week past the second or third week in September seems to have an exponentially greater possibility for seriously cold wet (and where I am, windy) weather.

There are more breeders breeding for short flower time and high mold resistance, I just need to get on the ball next year and find them before they sell out.
 
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GroErr

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Humanrob said:
I have the utmost respect for your opinions and experience, and I hope I didn't come across as anything else. :)
I've only been growing for a little over a year, coming up on my second outdoor and just flipped my 6th indoor to flower -- so I am very much a "newbie". I truly appreciate you sharing what has worked for you over the years. It has taken me a while to learn what the right questions are, and how to filter the information that comes back based on the location, grow methods, and goals of the person who has answered. There are a lot of right answers and some contradict each other, but they are each right in different circumstances. I'll be learning for a long time to come.
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Hey not at all, was just trying to make a point that there are no right answers other than what's right for your situation. I'm still a newbie myself imo, only been growing indoor for 3 years or so, lots of stuff to learn, indoor's a whole different ball-game than outdoor. Cheers :)
 
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