nuts with guns

This morning I see that some nut still has a 5 year old kid and has killed a bus driver. What in the hell can we do to stop these people from having a gun? Why are we killing one an other? Why is this country having this problem when other country's don't have any where near the much truble? I'm at a total lose. It's bad enough when kids kill one an other but adults killing kids makes me feel so bad. They can't stop these ass holes from hurting them. Maybe some other country needs to come in like we do to other country's.

match box said:

What in the hell can we do to stop these people from having a gun?

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Nothing, really, unless you can wish all guns our of existence. But there's always a weapon handy if you are desperate enough.

Why are we killing one an other?

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Pick a reason. I think this guy didn't like Mondays. No, wait - this happened Wednesday. That was some other chick.

Why is this country having this problem when other country's don't have any where near the much truble? I'm at a total lose. It's bad enough when kids kill one an other but adults killing kids makes me feel so bad. They can't stop these ass holes from hurting them. Maybe some other country needs to come in like we do to other country's.

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That's where the questions get really hard. I think that, in part, it is because of our pitiful education system. But I cannot find any data to back up that theory.

Hmmm, you may want to look around the world, for example Brazil has about 34,000 gun related homicides a year. Read up on the violence in Mexico, remember the terrorist attacks in India in Mumbai? Don't forget the Norway 2011 incident that claimed 77 lives. I'm pretty sure the middle east has issues with guns as well. Look up some numbers from El Salvador which had 50.36 gun deaths per 100,000 people in 2009. That's 5x's the number per 100,000 in the U.S. It's not just us, there are alot of other places with gun issues as well, it's just this whole thing called the constitution that gaurentees my right to own a firearm. The U.S. is a bit unique being once billed as the place to bring the tired, poor and persecuted for a better chance to live the "Amercican Dream" which now in itself seems to be nothing more than just that....a dream.

was this thread made for jtprin? tha gubment be takin his guns!!!

The person that committed this horrible crime had a reputation of having mental problems at some point in his life he beat to death an animal this isnt what sane people do. He also had threatened to shoot kids again this is not something that rational thinking people do. I know that a gun was used in this crime but it go's much deeper than that. This dude had problems that were known by the people in his community and because of their inept handling of the situation and possibly their Local and State government not having the money to spend on mental health issues because of cut backs they have a dead school bus driver and possibly a dead child as well....I know guns kill people but I also think a government that turns it's back on sick people have to carry some of that burden as well it isnt all about the guns!

Yes your right it's a mental prob and not just guns. I stand corrected we're not the only country. I hope that the boy gets out of this alive.

It seems that in the wake of the sandy hook elementary shootings,we have a substantialy greater amount of reports on gun violence happening now,the media is on a crusade with it ,especialy now, because they are at the gubberments beckon call to do so.It is a campaign dont you see?The gun violence levels have been basicaly the same for many years,theres always going to be some nutjob with a gun and a chance of tragedy occuring as a result ,the shit has been happening in this country for a long time,we just have to hear about every iota of gun violence that goes on now because of the gun laws that are being pursued by our asshat of a leadership,of course it will change your opinion to what they would like, thats what they hope for,even at the expense of the right to defend yourself with firearms but thats the point of it,people should be armed to protect themselves from the nutjobs.Now even if there isnt a shooting,even if a kid just makes a gun out of legos or even pretends his hand is a gun,guess what?Its being blown out of proportion and reported on the news,all the while to many people are having these sensitivity issues now even if there isnt a single gun fire tragedy that had nothing to do with them in the first place,they get upset in hopes of a lawsuit.There needs to be psyche evaluations for those who want to purchase firearms,this would be more applicable and reasonable than the nutty gun legislation that is being pushed onto the public eye IMO.

^Agreed.

You're only noticing the gun violence now because the media is shoving down your throat. You think gun violence is "increasing" because you're a sheep.

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Guns don't kill people, or make them more dangerous. Two of the most prolific serial killers targeted children, each had over 200 bodies, and never used a gun*. Criminals will ALWAYS have access to firearms, even the criminally insane (a gun dealer doesn't run a psych. eval. prior to selling unlicensed firearms.) If attaining guns becomes too difficult (take Japan, N. Ireland, or Palestine for example) and you still want to fuck shit up, you can always make poison gas and release it on a rail, you can build car bombs and set them off in crowded underground/bus exchanges, or build a bomb-vest/IUD and blow up a coffee shop/school/checkpoint. Yeah, guns are causing most mass deaths in the US right now, but stripping them from people won't make anyone safer. Criminals and the insane will still have access to them, and intelligent psychopaths will still develop weapons for the incompetent (take Raytheon and G.W. Bush for example.)




*The Butcher of Ecuador is no longer in prison, his whereabouts were unknown last I heard about him. He served 18 years (That was the MAXIMUM sentence allowed)for the 200+ confirmed (bodies found) kills he had. It's estimated that his ACTUAL body count could be upwards of 600. He didn't believe in firearms.

EDIT: Sucks about that bus driver and kid... Too bad we had to win that "cold war" with Russia. Had we kept government asylums for the criminally insane, and improved them as we've improved jails and prisons, this person might not have killed that bus driver, and wouldn't be hiding in his fort with a kid and a gun.

I do realize the irony of my supporting asylums - I would be in one myself, but, we'd have about 10 less mass shootings over the past 3 years (that I've seen/heard about.) and, I'm smarter than hell, I'd either be the madman running the asylum, or I'd have "checked myself out" as it were.

This has been going on for a long time in this country. When I was 8 my nabor emptyed a 38 in his wifes chest The store down the street was robbied and the owner shot and killed all 3 men. Other countrys do have problems. So what do we do? Having a gun doesn't make you safe and blindly following the NRA is't helping. We have turned our back on the people that are sick. Mental illness can and should be treated and I think that is at least a strat.

match box said:

This has been going on for a long time in this country. When I was 8 my nabor emptyed a 38 in his wifes chest The store down the street was robbied and the owner shot and killed all 3 men. Other countrys do have problems. So what do we do? Having a gun doesn't make you safe and blindly following the NRA is't helping. We have turned our back on the people that are sick. Mental illness can and should be treated and I think that is at least a strat.

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you nailed it Match.We as a country turn our bac on the mental issues of the sick n twisted.Its just easier and job security to go after the guns

match box said:

This has been going on for a long time in this country. When I was 8 my nabor emptyed a 38 in his wifes chest The store down the street was robbied and the owner shot and killed all 3 men. Other countrys do have problems. So what do we do? Having a gun doesn't make you safe and blindly following the NRA is't helping. We have turned our back on the people that are sick. Mental illness can and should be treated and I think that is at least a strat.

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In prison, we used boiled syrup as a "non-lethal" weapon.
Around the age of 9, our neighbor drowned HIS 3 daughters, because the oldest had been talking to a guy outside their apartment building.
During the period from the 1100s to the 1600s Christian "Men of God" and Muslim "Holy Men" waged wars, enslaving thousands, killing hundreds of thousands through the wars. Rape (of men, women, and children) was seen as a torture device, on both sides.
In 500 AD, it was a common practice to bury young girls alive, as killing them was a sin, and girls were treated as worthless trinkets -- the fathers thought it would be the most humane and least embarrassing for their family's honor.
When I was 15 and had a gun pulled on me in an attempted robbery, I used my knife to "disarm" the stupid fuck that was trying to rob me -- I knew I was good to get to cuttin' when he pulled a gun, but not the trigger.

Jack the Ripper
Ted Bundy
Albert Fish
Green River Killer
BTK

Anti-Firearms proponents are in good company. None used guns to kill their victims.

Having a gun, but not the steel to use it doesn't make you safe. I think only 1 in 10 or so people that legally have guns should, because they'll pull the trigger every single time. I agree people should not blindly follow anyone, except a seeing-eye dog. Banning guns is pointless though, murder's as old as written history, it's a natural state for some, a hobby for some, and a reaction (offensive or defensive) for some.

slowbus said:

you nailed it Match.We as a country turn our bac on the mental issues of the sick n twisted.Its just easier and job security to go after the guns

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and it was Reagan who cut mental health funding severly in the 1980's. It's still felt to this day sadly, to echo your sentiment.

I'm glad to learn more about this my view is too small and I have read things here that have made me think( as hard as that is for me). Ted and the green river guy are from where i live and they didn't use guns.

kinetic said:

and it was Reagan who cut mental health funding severly in the 1980's. It's still felt to this day sadly, to echo your sentiment.

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The edit/dig in my first post was a reference to that cut...

match box said:

I'm glad to learn more about this my view is too small and I have read things here that have made me think( as hard as that is for me). Ted and the green river guy are from where i live and they didn't use guns.

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Stupid trivia -- they both killed armed (with firearms) victims...

I'm neither pro nor anti. I don't care one bit. I personally don't like guns around me or kids -- it's a lot easier for a kid to mistake a pistol for a toy than a knife. You don't hear about "accidental stabbings." Around my house, we have various tools to "explain" why breaking in was a bad idea, if it ever gets to that. Even as a felon, I still get to keep my trusty compound, and some nice bone crusher tips. I don't mind a robber breaking in with a gun, we have programs for turning in illegal firearms.

I just think the knee-jerk reaction so common when firearms crimes are committed is silly. Seriously, I gave 3 ways to kill people, with an easier exit-strategy, they've all been used before. And, bladed weapons violent crimes are much more common, and generally a lot more violent.

minnesmoker you have made some very good points and I hear them. I'm more upset when kids are hurt or killed. I have to look at myself here today. I was phycaly and verbaly aboused and I'm more sensative to the kids than adults. I'm also felon and don't have any fire arms but I don't want to stop any one else from having one if there not nuts. sorry for my bad spelling