Nutrient Runoff Question

dp sux said:

I dnt know everything either but Ive learnd alot(even with all my knoledge my shit looks lil wacked sometime also I get claw early flower nomatter what
I do never realy off target at end of show though) I no I type how I talk most of time and its a lil riddley and stuff from talkin in code so long (understand) Im not worried bot any arguments (hell Im a clasic troll No??) I worry bout them other ones you know (that can cause me harm) I dnt even want to say...that paranoid
Ive lived by rules for long time and Im breaking one as I type .Ive read some crazy stories of how some found themselves in a 6x9 feel me??

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dick murphy said:

then stop sweating the little things
if it isnt broke dont fix it

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DrFever said:

for starters this guys returns were 5.0 i mentioned flushing reason i would bet his ppm in soil is in the 2000 prob so flushing with a good 6.8 till he got min 6.5 back i could guarntee he would still have a ppm of 800 in his runoff the op asked for a fix so i gave it to him lets not mess with fancy bullshit talk lets fix the problem first consider himself lucky if it was other way around his plants be burnt to fck with his ph in check
i bet if i was to ask op if his soil appearsk wet for longer periods of time his answer would be YES is the plant drinking anything NO there paralized there in a frozen state are the plants GReen i bet they are are they growing no there not secrets to growing is trying to maintain proper ph giving all elements of nutrients to the plant also adding humixes and fulvixes to help break down the protiens for better plant uptake heres some pics from a 3" clone to 55+ inch plants in 23 days of veg that my friends is proper feeding and ph
and now there on day 23 of flower

Oh i forgot to mention 8000 watts thats 1040000 lumens )

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DrFever said:

for starters this guys returns were 5.0 i mentioned flushing reason i would bet his ppm in soil is in the 2000 prob so flushing with a good 6.8 till he got min 6.5 back i could guarntee he would still have a ppm of 800 in his runoff the op asked for a fix so i gave it to him lets not mess with fancy bullshit talk lets fix the problem first consider himself lucky if it was other way around his plants be burnt to fck with his ph in check
i bet if i was to ask op if his soil appears wet for longer periods of time his answer would be YES is the plant drinking anything NO there paralized there in a frozen state are the plants GReen i bet they are are they growing no there not secrets to growing is trying to maintain proper ph giving all elements of nutrients to the plant also adding humixes and fulvixes to help break down the protiens for better plant uptake heres some pics from a 3" clone to 55+ inch plants in 23 days of veg that my friends is proper feeding and ph
and now there on day 23 of flower

Oh i forgot to mention 8000 watts thats 1040000 lumens )

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Kingrow1 said:

As most soils are around 6.3 to 6.8 a true flush would be watered into the soil at approx 6.5. If runoff hits 6.5 then you can reat assured that without applying ferts a deficiency is round the corner.

Your right about getting the pH up to what you want but you also need to monitor the ppm of runoff too. Lets stop fooling ourselves as not overfeeding and adding the right amount of lime to the soil before planting means ZERO pH problems. Is that easy, pH goes down with ferts (Hydrogen ions to be exact and hydronium to be a science geek) and pH goes up with lime (Alkaline ions like calcium and magnesium).

Incedentally most ferts are made of NPK, Nitrogen is split into Ammonical and Nitrate Nitrogen, Ammoniacal is acidic to soil whereas Nitrate is alkaline to soil (only if the plant is healthy and eating because it swaps alkaline ions in the soil to uptake the Nitrate)
Phosphorous is acidic and Pottassium is alkaline. A good fertilizer should have the ability to buffer itself to some degree within these nutrients but an unhealthy plant dose not assimilate the Nitrate and hence its Alkaline value/charge is never released which may be the case that overfeeding lowers nutrient uptake and the ammoniacal nitrogen probably becomes more dominant over the alkaline ions hence low pH.
Again we see why P/K bloom boosters are typically the same values for the P and K, this seems to be so the alkaline Potassium can balance the acidic Phosphorous.

I am only htpothesising and there must be many other considerations to be made but all ferts ingredients seem either acidic ammonium based or alkaline Nitrate based. hence why Calcium Nitrate actually increases soil alkalinity not decreases it. Peace and grow hard

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DrFever said:

Jay that 1 " down or more is your closet taking it ) as for humidity i would think i had this issue this summer had to plants green and seemed to stop growing in flowering phase as other plants took the food these couple drank but alot slower ( pots were heavy ) so i decided to flush
Wow i got 5.0 returns back i was like WTF never had this happen so i checked my runnoff ppm and low and behold it was over 2000
i kept flushing till i got returns of min 6.5 checked my ppm and it was 850 - 900 so i let them alone for like 2 days and they took right off
i was lucky cause if the ph was other way around high i would of burnt the hell out of them

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