Nutrient companies are stealing our / your money. Lets talk about it!

phil k

phil k

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i think he was just joking with you... but look is canna good.. fine yes.. but the point isn't is it good.. the point is you can go get something like humboldts oness program and have the same results at half the cost.. I'm not going to sit and say all chemicals are equal i already said some are extracted from higher end materials and some are made much much cheaper in labs.. i mean look at neem oils.... dynagro sell neem oil a big ass bottle for 8$..... now einstein oil is 20$ for a little ass bottle... WHY?? because dynagro obtains their neem oil from different exaction systems... mostly heat processing and they also uses 2nd ..3rd...4th extractions that aren't super clean and pure and they mix them together in one bottle selling it cheap.. einsten oil only uses first run extraction and i believe they cold press extract which gives them even less material from the base material.
so is einstein oil better? yes technically their product is purer and cleaner than any other.. but is me putting einstein oil on my plant going to make my grow better than if i used dyna gro oil?? no its not...
its not about what chemicals are the absolute best. its about what works and provides the nutrients and needs your plant has...

pk_boosted2 said:
I dont own a hydro store! Geez man. I was a angel investor in one in which I helped a buddy of mine out and I got out a few months ago when I was paid back on my loan.

Secondly, it really doesnt matter if I owned one or not. Like I mentioned before the store I was involved with didnt even carry Canna we werent allowed to. They had another store who had been carrying it for 10 years and r shop was too close in proximity to them. Canna has restricions on saturating the market and they run really good business so he couldnt get the contract to become a dealer.

So lemme ask this. And I would even tell ppl at the store who would ask what I like to use Im an honest dude and I tell em straight up I like Canna. So if Im telling people how good Canna is but I dont even have the shit at the store why would I do that? LOL

All u guys do is try come up w/ excuses instead of listening to someone who has experience and is giving u facts. I love the fact that ppl think DYNA GRO & Jacks Classic is good nutrients. Cuz then when I come around w my runs and my work it just looks that much better lol.

All nutrients ARE NOT created equal. Theres been many articles, journals and scientific analysis of how nutrients are made, processed, derived, extracted and chelated. If u think that u can mimic or go the cheap route and get the same results go ahead but ur only hurting yourselves not me so i dont care.

Im simply giving u insight and knowledge from years of experience. You can choose to do whatever u want w the information. Ive done side by sides, Ive experimented and tried almost every nutrient lineup on the market and the top 3 hands down right now in each category that u can use regardless of what the few ppl on here wanna say is:

*Synthetic: Canna - AN - Rock Nutrients (Australia based co.)
Complete is also very good lineup but its fairly new not many places know about or carry it (Based out of Florida - mix of AN & Canna - made by a scientist from AN who started his own company)

*Organic: Bio Bizz - Botanicare - & GH Gen Organics

Bottom of the barrel is: Dyna-Gro - Dutch Masters - Jack's Classic - Atami - Humboldt County

Theres plenty of others and they are all either small companies or not even worth mentioning.
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Rrog

Rrog

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Cheapest way to grow is no-till soil. Best plant amendment is fresh vermicompost.

Doesn't matter, since Hydro is very attractive to many, and good for them. It's not for me but that's what's cool about choice and preferences.

Some people like Judo, others like karate. Groovy
 
phil k

phil k

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pk_boosted2 said:
I dont need anyone to believe me. Everyone can kp using Dyna-Gro on here thats fine w me. Im not here to sell anyone anything Im just providing the knowledge u do whatever u want w the information it doesnt bother me at all.

Everyone went to school some ppl go to Harvard and some ppl drop out like you.

Its what u do w what the teachers w degrees tell u, some ppl learn and experiment and try things for themselves.While other ppl become followers and get by being mediocre at best.

Ive learned through both means of reading, expriementing, trial and error etc... Im just telling the truth u pay for what u get. So kp paying 20$ for ur grows and get ur mediocre results.

Ill pay the money and get the best results its that simple
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well now i have to call stupid... why would you say ill pay to get the best results.....
ill put it as simple as this... in a 5 gallon indoor short veg i hit 6 oz .... i put 20$ worth of my soil into that grow for all my veg.. all my flower.. i never do shit but water my plant.. and i can GUARANTEE YOU that your in no way going to match my quality with canna... but further more it generally AT MOST (aside from electrical) costs me 5$ to produce an ounce.. now please tell me you'll pay 40$ to produce the same shit with less quality less flavors and i promise less of a high...and ANYONE who is truly organic can attest to that..
 
phil k

phil k

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Rrog said:
Cheapest way to grow is no-till soil. Best plant amendment is fresh vermicompost.

Doesn't matter, since Hydro is very attractive to many, and good for them. It's not for me but that's what's cool about choice and preferences.

Some people like Judo, others like karate. Groovy
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hey have you heard of the HUMAN SHIT being put into some composts now??? I've heard of big companies using that ... but its a fucking big billion dollar industry here... there was just a recent VICE episode about it.. the cities are selling our human shit to fertilizer companies.... i have to look up what they call it they have a funny name for it.
 
a mongo frog

a mongo frog

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phil k said:
well now i have to call stupid... why would you say ill pay to get the best results.....
ill put it as simple as this... in a 5 gallon indoor short veg i hit 6 oz .... i put 20$ worth of my soil into that grow for all my veg.. all my flower.. i never do shit but water my plant.. and i can GUARANTEE YOU that your in no way going to match my quality with canna... but further more it generally AT MOST (aside from electrical) costs me 5$ to produce an ounce.. now please tell me you'll pay 40$ to produce the same shit with less quality less flavors and i promise less of a high...and ANYONE who is truly organic can attest to that..
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Dude your so great. Your bud is so great. No one will ever be able to touch your bud quality....... Fucking crazy talk friend. Happy gardening!!!!!
 
phil k

phil k

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i don't know shit.. i didn't say that at all i don't think you got the point of the statement..
 
pk_boosted2

pk_boosted2

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Hit me back when u put up 6-8 (1000w bulbs) than we can talk about yields.

I get 6 ounces+ per plant i dont need to be told that humboldt is good when its a BS line up.

If i grow organic i would just use The Bio-Canna lineup or H&G Bio1

U dont know what ur talkin about so go to the newbie thread and take ur nonsense elsewhere
 
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