Northern Grow Lights Photon 180 Citizen 1825 90 CRI

I had similar deficiencies with these fixtures. I added more cal-mag and PK, raised the lights to 24 inch. I also gave it a watering with some "sweet tea compost " sachet I got for free. This seemed to have notable effect.
I still got discoloration on some leaves but buds were unaffected.

I cant upload pics to this site for some reason. grrr.

bri77 said:

I had similar deficiencies with these fixtures. I added more cal-mag and PK, raised the lights to 24 inch. I also gave it a watering with some "sweet tea compost " sachet I got for free. This seemed to have notable effect.
I still got discoloration on some leaves but buds were unaffected.

I cant upload pics to this site for some reason. grrr.

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My soil mix could have been better amended for sure. I have a few thoughts on this that I'll share in a few weeks when they are hopefully done (thinking it is an 8-9 week strain?). Kinda getting a bit painful to watch, lol. I've raised the lights and dimmed a bit myself too. I just brewed a compost tea last week and they seemed to like that, amended it with a few things and also added the rest of the castings I have on hand with some neem meal and guano as a topdress. The castings I got weren't the best quality and I am still waiting on my next homemade batch.

I'll probably continue with a few more feedings this week and possibly early into next before finishing off with just waterings. Not sure that I really need to flush the BioBizz stuff...

Anyway, if you get the picture upload thing going, feel free to post some examples here if you want. Thanks for the input.

Got the picks working. I think for my next run with these lamps I'm going to focus on root mass in the veg stage (not sure how I'd do this) so the plant can take up more nutes and water.

This is only my second grow and I'm basiclly ecstatic with the results. I got some weed from America last year and one of the strains had about a dozen seeds. I think they're Tahoe OG but cant be sure of course. I'll tell you this though, every one of those seeds popped and every one of those plants were god damn troopers. The abuse I gave them on my first run was unreal and they just keep on growing. I had one seed left for my second run, manages to get through with out any major mistakes and this is the result. Huge ,dense nugs. The smell in the tent was very sweet and pleasing towards the end of flower, the flowers themselves smell like concentrated pine and lemon floor cleaner, but in a good way lol.

I harvested all the tops yesterday.

So happy with these lights.

Wow! Very nice @bri77

Would you mind filling in what the specs on the lamp you used and soil medium/container size? Just out of curiosity. You used a Photon 180 correct?

Thanks man.

I veged with under one of these in a 3x3 , then move to a 4x4 under two lamps. Both lamps are 3500k 90 cri. I'm clay pebbles in an airpot on a drip system over a 15l res. the drip soaks the pebbles for 15 min every few hours.

https://northerngrowlights.com/collections/all/products/photon-180clu1825?variant=26046738440

This was from a couple of weeks ago I think. I should have vegged a big more , she didn't stretch at all really. She just sat there and got fat and smelly. A bit like my second wife, BOOM! I'll be here all week , thank you.

Interesting how you have the lights set up in a 4x4. I've been thinking how 2 lights would work in such a space given the 2.5x2.5 flower footprint.



Well today I gave a feeding of 5.4L mineral water (24ppm), 12mL BioBloom, 12mL BioHeaven, 4mL BioGrow, 15mL AlgAMic (kelp), 1tbsp oyster shell powder, 7mL magnesium acetate, 1tsp molasses, 400mL fermented horsetail tea, 4tsp FFJ bloom (mango, papaya, banana, flowering male cannabis parts) and 1.5tbsp LAB. I bubbled for about 30m and it got a nice froth to it. Tested TDS at 750ppm after mixing. Sprouting 1oz of buckwheat seeds for an SST that will hopefully be ready by Wed. May give one more lighter feeding by week's end and then just water from there. Will update with pics in the last intervals of growth then harvest.

So I'm thinking to maybe just run them to the end of week 7 (Sunday) and then put them in the dark for 36h before harvest. From what I could see using my 60x pocket scope, a bit more than half the trichs are milky (that was yesterday). The calyxes have shown some progressive swelling for about a week now but they've lost a lot of foliage and they look to be using up their own reserves to push out that last bit of growth. Couldn't really seem to get on top of the deficiencies I've been seeing and get them worked out. Better luck next time sort of deal. If going by the pistils, some show 50% brown/orange and other bud sites show 25% and some less still. Thoughts?

I have some at the same day in flower with similar stage trichs and looking much like your girls . Mine are 7 to 10 days out. Always.

@hillbill hopefully looking a bit healthier than these girls tho

Just a little preoccupied that they'll have what it takes to go another week or so, just with the progression of unhealthy looking fans and even some sugar leaves starting to curl upwards and discolor some.

Mine are Northern Skunk/C99and they are fading and yellowing and that is fine. "Sell no wine before it's time." I like my plants fading at harvest just a bit. Buds seem to depend little on leaves toward prime time.

Aruanda said:

@hillbill hopefully looking a bit healthier than these girls tho

Just a little preoccupied that they'll have what it takes to go another week or so, just with the progression of unhealthy looking fans and even some sugar leaves starting to curl upwards and discolor some.

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Dont harvest early because of the discoluration, you might lose a few sugar leaves but the buds should be fine.

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So I think this cultivar could go to 9 weeks but with my circumstances I will probably cut the lights off this evening for about 40h and harvest on Sunday afternoon (which would mark the end of week 8 ). The swelling in the calyxes seem to have slowed a bit. The trichomes have swelled and turned milky this past week so I think they're ready (using a 60x pocket scope is hard, but a majority of sites that I observed are milky trichs when I can keep it steady long enough, lol). It's been a bit painful to watch with the condition of the leaves so it is what it is.

All in all though, I think I've managed to do decently on my first grow and I am looking forward to the next. These girls don't seem to give off much scent by themselves, it's rather faint. But from handling the buds or rubbing the stalks I get wonderful smells of fresh mango, overripe pineapple and lemony citrusy goodness with some deeper floral and woody/piney undertones.

Will post up a few pics after the chop and trim on Sunday and give my conclusions.

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Let us know what your roots are like when you harvest. Mine were in poor condition, not rot but close I think. I over reacted to the calmag issue with increased waterings and that lead to the root problems. This of course hurt the uptake of nutes. I underestimated how much water clay pebbles retain when they're packed with roots.

Ended up with exactly 200 grams of nice dried bud, and about 14 gs of Icolator hash of varing degrees of quality. Very happy with the final product, and I learned an awful lot. Next grow will start in the new year. I cant wait.

I'm going soil,all organic, RO water, compost teas and blumat for irrigation. The best genitics I can possibly afford, hopefully two strains, and have 2/4 plants in a 4 x 4. Light provided by the trusty Photons plus my soon-to-be newly converted mars panel. Gonna stick some cobs and strips in the Mars and use it for spectrum adjustment.

This will be my third grow and I'm starting to feel like I might possibly know what I'm doing. Maybe.

I see now why you were under so much pressure, those leaves look scary, is that due to flushing as well as the deficiency?

bri77 said:

Let us know what your roots are like when you harvest. Mine were in poor condition, not rot but close I think. I over reacted to the calmag issue with increased waterings and that lead to the root problems. This of course hurt the uptake of nutes. I underestimated how much water clay pebbles retain when they're packed with roots.

Ended up with exactly 200 grams of nice dried bud, and about 14 gs of Icolator hash of varing degrees of quality. Very happy with the final product, and I learned an awful lot. Next grow will start in the new year. I cant wait.

I'm going soil,all organic, RO water, compost teas and blumat for irrigation. The best genitics I can possibly afford, hopefully two strains, and have 2/4 plants in a 4 x 4. Light provided by the trusty Photons plus my soon-to-be newly converted mars panel. Gonna stick some cobs and strips in the Mars and use it for spectrum adjustment.

This will be my third grow and I'm starting to feel like I might possibly know what I'm doing. Maybe.

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Skip the R/O, just bubble your tap for 24 hrs before use. R/O is a lot of waste and drives up expenses. if you really go organic (no till) R/O is pointless as you don't PH anymore the plants do the work your job is to maintain the soil.

bri77 said:

I see now why you were under so much pressure, those leaves look scary, is that due to flushing as well as the deficiency?

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I flushed out the soil 2 times during the grow (just to the point of runoff, about 500mL worth). Hard for me to say at this point what the deficiencies are as I think its been a compounding of issues and possibly caused to some degree from a lockout(?) Also the possibility that my pots aren't that big (2.6gal) and maybe they just ran out of nutes and supplementing with BioBizz didn't pan out exactly. Though with running essentially a LOS (living organic soil) with organic liquid nutes along with a few amendments, I don't think any flushing was necessary. I only did flush those times as I had used some Epsom and got leaf tip burn. From what I've read about BioBizz, it is not a product that needs any flushing. My soil mix has a peat to coco pith ratio of 2:1 and perhaps the coco wasn't fully flushed of salts before I incorporated it into the soil.

Like yourself, I'm looking forward to getting started back up in the new year with a much better amended soil (which will be made with recycling this soil). Still have the BioBizz stuff but may just use it sparingly through the next grow(s) until it runs out. Less seems more and it just seems odd to me to force feed in a LOS... That being said, I will probably use the FFJ I made and will hopefully be in a place where I can make some homemade fish hydrolysate.

I've been tossing around the idea of either trying out some freebie seeds (Dutch Kush, Cookies Kush, Fruity Chronic Juice & G13 x Blueberry Headband) or popping a few more of the same (Mondo#1/Lemonade Kush) that I grew this time to get to know this cultivar better. Either way, will probably pop just two in either 5 or 7gal fabrics and top/lst them to manage the canopy better and fill out my space (2.6'x2.6'). The idea of continuing to work with the same cultivar makes sense, and I would like to see the potential of this one after improving the soil/nutrient variables. But since I'll be re-amending this soil I thought about trying the freebies for a cycle while the soil 'ages' and becomes better conditioned with more minerals and elements biologically available to the plant by the second cycle after re-amend.

I'm more excited about planning out the next grow and my soil than I am about having fresh flowers to consume. To say, growing is very rewarding and enjoyable. Having my own cultivated plants with whom I've gotten to know and take care of for a change, instead of just buying flowers with no known origin, has also been a blessing.

Aruanda said:

So I'm thinking to maybe just run them to the end of week 7 (Sunday) and then put them in the dark for 36h before harvest. From what I could see using my 60x pocket scope, a bit more than half the trichs are milky (that was yesterday). The calyxes have shown some progressive swelling for about a week now but they've lost a lot of foliage and they look to be using up their own reserves to push out that last bit of growth. Couldn't really seem to get on top of the deficiencies I've been seeing and get them worked out. Better luck next time sort of deal. If going by the pistils, some show 50% brown/orange and other bud sites show 25% and some less still. Thoughts?

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Where did all the leafs go?

Yodaweed said:

Where did all the leafs go?

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Lol, they've been progressively yellowing out and shriveling up, at which point I've either let them drop by themselves or pluck em and drop em as mulch.

Aruanda said:

Lol, they've been progressively yellowing out and shriveling up, at which point I've either let them drop by themselves or pluck em and drop em as mulch.

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Ouch , that's gonna effect yield a bit, you figured the issue out?