North Korea, lets hear your guesses on where its going....

So if you follow international news, are in the US or South Korea youve heard by now that the the new North Korean government is taking a very aggresive military stance recently. Conducting multiple nuclear tests, literally threatening to start a nuclear war with the US, saying it will rip up the truce.

WTF? Why? whats the endgame here? I suppose they could make a huge fuss then back off and hope that people would give them things and work with them more in order to avoid a war.

But i dont get that vibe :/ I get that they are looking to start a fight.

Lol, sure they have an adequate army and some weapons of mass destruction but really? A war with the US and South Korea? They will be creamed. The second they attack the US or SK i imagine the full force of both militaries coming down. Obama doesnt need to get elected again. And frankly im sure both countries are tired with dealing with NK constantly, and really would be nice to go in and help all the starving civilians.

I would say either they back off and it was all some kind of power negotiation play, or we see a fairly serious war in which the US and SK ultimately win but not without casualties to both the military and civilians.

Lets hear your thoughts, would love if someone from or with connections to SK could chime in.

its not just the US and SK backing the UN on this, it's pretty much the civilized world. It would be no contest, NK may, or may not, have even one nuclear weapon, and may, or may not, have any method of delivering it much past SK. They certainly lack everything else required to wage war, including, allies, food, economy, industrial production, satellites, air force, navy, ect. While they have some form of many of these things they would not qualify in comparison to modern tech sported by the better part of the nations associated with the UN these days thanks to a few key members who dump nearly unmeasurable capitol into there global interests.

The more important issue, I feel, at the moment is can the US and EU afford to go back to war? The moment the recession shows sign of breaking the last thing we need is to plunge back into another war followed by countless expenditures on rebuilding whats left after we break them.

Dennis Rodman: Kim Jong Un Wants President Obama to 'Call Him'


[video=youtube;iV7Qjgu4KO4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iV7Qjgu4KO4[/video]

My Prediction:

Rodmanstan will ally with North Korea to attack us

DonPepe said:

its not just the US and SK backing the UN on this, it's pretty much the civilized world. It would be no contest, NK may, or may not, have even one nuclear weapon, and may, or may not, have any method of delivering it much past SK. They certainly lack everything else required to wage war, including, allies, food, economy, industrial production, satellites, air force, navy, ect. While they have some form of many of these things they would not qualify in comparison to modern tech sported by the better part of the nations associated with the UN these days thanks to a few key members who dump nearly unmeasurable capitol into there global interests.

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Just fyi China is NKs biggest ally and one of the only threats to the US in the world.

Secondly, NK has been saying they would brake the truce and kill us with nuclear weapons for a long time. They only say these things when the UN is getting ready to place sanctions and they get pissed off about it.

Canna Connoiseur said:

Just fyi China is NKs biggest ally and one of the only threats to the US in the world.

Secondly, NK has been saying they would brake the truce and kill us with nuclear weapons for a long time. They only say these things when the UN is getting ready to place sanctions and they get pissed off about it.

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China is giving full support the purposed sanctions from what i have heard and plans to do their part to enforce them.

I used to own a "winta beata" Hyundai, that gives me Korean cred.

Here's what will happen. Bad men with guns will make speeches. Some bad men will threaten others, this will go back and forth for a time. Then BOTH SIDES will need to extort more money from the people they purport to protect. This money will be used to finance the creation of weapons and the justification for even MORE extortion in order to better "PROTECT" the Patriotic people, the homeland etc. Then when bullets start flying brave heroes may be asked to step forward and be used as cannon fodder. The speeches are interchangeable and will work for either side. Then no bid contracts will be awarded to "rebuild and bring democracy" to country X . ( note to reader - remove Iraq or Afghanistan or Viet Nam or et al and insert Korea where the X is) Then we will need a NEW enemy we will need to be saved from....

DonPepe said:

Canna Connoiseur said:

Just fyi China is NKs biggest ally and one of the only threats to the US in the world.

Secondly, NK has been saying they would brake the truce and kill us with nuclear weapons for a long time. They only say these things when the UN is getting ready to place sanctions and they get pissed off about it.

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China is giving full support the purposed sanctions from what i have heard and plans to do their part to enforce them.

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Ya but that doesn't mean, even the slightest bit, that if they attacked us and we retaliated that china wouldn't care and not fuck our day all up. NK is a major economy for china. To compare, china is NKs best friend and the us and china are acquaintances. The US just happens to owe the acquaintance an ass load if money.

Yep, we've tangled with the chinese in both in vietnam and the korean war.. Don't think they wouldn't think twice about doing it again.

Canna Connoiseur said:

Ya but that doesn't mean, even the slightest bit, that if they attacked us and we retaliated that china wouldn't care and not fuck our day all up. NK is a major economy for china. To compare, china is NKs best friend and the us and china are acquaintances. The US just happens to owe the acquaintance an ass load if money.

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China and NK have been long allies and they are close however "major economy"? I heard recently that it composed less than 1% of chinas economy and composed 70% of North koreas. So really it would be a drop in the bucket to suspend all trade for china and would utterly destroy the economy of NK. Sure a region in china might be affected but the rest of the country and the govt wouldnt bat an eye. Also china has been distancing themselves recently because i think they see that NK is a trouble maker and the trade between EU,US and China is neccesary for all parties. China would fail without the US and EU buying stuff, they know this.

IMHO if it comes down to it china will back away from NK in a conflict. And yes your right the UN has backed most of the events, and i think when it comes to conflict they will back a US SK led force.


Hahahhaha love the pictures plume

Rob Roy said:

I used to own a "winta beata" Hyundai, that gives me Korean cred.

Here's what will happen. Bad men with guns will make speeches. Some bad men will threaten others, this will go back and forth for a time. Then BOTH SIDES will need to extort more money from the people they purport to protect. This money will be used to finance the creation of weapons and the justification for even MORE extortion in order to better "PROTECT" the Patriotic people, the homeland etc. Then when bullets start flying brave heroes may be asked to step forward and be used as cannon fodder. The speeches are interchangeable and will work for either side. Then no bid contracts will be awarded to "rebuild and bring democracy" to country X . ( note to reader - remove Iraq or Afghanistan or Viet Nam or et al and insert Korea where the X is) Then we will need a NEW enemy we will need to be saved from....

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... rinse and repeat...

BlazedMonkey said:

Canna Connoiseur said:

Ya but that doesn't mean, even the slightest bit, that if they attacked us and we retaliated that china wouldn't care and not fuck our day all up. NK is a major economy for china. To compare, china is NKs best friend and the us and china are acquaintances. The US just happens to owe the acquaintance an ass load if money.

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China and NK have been long allies and they are close however "major economy"? I heard recently that it composed less than 1% of chinas economy and composed 70% of North koreas. So really it would be a drop in the bucket to suspend all trade for china and would utterly destroy the economy of NK. Sure a region in china might be affected but the rest of the country and the govt wouldnt bat an eye. Also china has been distancing themselves recently because i think they see that NK is a trouble maker and the trade between EU,US and China is neccesary for all parties. China would fail without the US and EU buying stuff, they know this.

IMHO if it comes down to it china will back away from NK in a conflict. And yes your right the UN has backed most of the events, and i think when it comes to conflict they will back a US SK led force.


Hahahhaha love the pictures plume

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At the same time, China has too much at stake

in North Korea to halt or withdraw its support

entirely. "The idea that the Chinese would turn

their backs on the North Koreans is clearly

wrong," says CFR Senior Fellow Adam Segal.

Beijing only agreed to UN Resolution 1718

after revisions removed requirements for

tough economic sanctions beyond those

targeting luxury goods, and China's trade with

North Korea has steadily increased in recent

years. Bilateral trade between China and North

Korea reached nearly $6 billion in 2011,

according to official Chinese data.

http://www.cfr.org/china/china-north-korea-relationship/p11097

How does NK intend to carry out a nuclear strike on the US? FedEx?

ClaytonBigsby said:

How does NK intend to carry out a nuclear strike on the US? FedEx?

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They are testing long range rockets, that is part of what is leading to the increased sanctions.

maybe they are unaware, but the US has anti missile systems that can shoot down all but short range low altitude attacks.

With 20 nuke-related, 18 chemical weapons , 4 biological weapons, and 16 missile capable sites .. tossing in 2 major airbases they have - it could be a 'fun' time should they want to play a round of war games. (Fun used loosely)

DonPepe said:

They are testing long range rockets, that is part of what is leading to the increased sanctions.

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They don't have the FRICBM unless they actually finished the work they were doing with Iran about 4 years ago on it.. and if they do, it still won't be an issue.. Patriot II systems out of Hawaii can engage 32 of them simultaneously before they get remotely close to our soil - tests were done on that already, and the results were posted on Defensenet.

Figong said:

They don't have the FRICBM unless they actually finished the work they were doing with Iran about 4 years ago on it.. and if they do, it still won't be an issue.. Patriot II systems out of Hawaii can engage 32 of them simultaneously before they get remotely close to our soil - tests were done on that already, and the results were posted on Defensenet.

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Yah ^^ Im not too worried about missles, we have a pretty elaborate defense system. Maybe a first world country maybe but NK just getting its first ICBMs?

More likely they would sneak it in or use one against SK.... or maybe replace Rodman with clone or cyborg and sneak the nuke back in through him....

Figong said:

They don't have the FRICBM unless they actually finished the work they were doing with Iran about 4 years ago on it.. and if they do, it still won't be an issue.. Patriot II systems out of Hawaii can engage 32 of them simultaneously before they get remotely close to our soil - tests were done on that already, and the results were posted on Defensenet.

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see earlier post.... thank you for elaborating on the anti missile systems i alluded too. No war with the US would be short unless you lost. And only china, IMO, could support the decades long war machine that would be needed to break a country like the US.

BlazedMonkey said:

Yah ^^ Im not too worried about missles, we have a pretty elaborate defense system. Maybe a first world country maybe but NK just getting its first ICBMs?

More likely they would sneak it in or use one against SK.... or maybe replace Rodman with clone or cyborg and sneak the nuke back in through him....

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Agreed, as far as known at this time.. most are SRBM, MRBM, or M/IRBM... am hoping that they haven't got their hands on any LRICBM/FRICBM.. or there would be a cluster o' death they'd be capable of dealing at 3500-8000km with the LRICBM alone. That said.. here's a lil' peek at the respective ranges, and how far-reaching they can truly be:

DonPepe said:

see earlier post.... thank you for elaborating on the anti missile systems i alluded too. No war with the US would be short unless you lost. And only china, IMO, could support the decades long war machine that would be needed to break a country like the US.

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I agree on this, think only China would be able to sustain a 20 year war (legitimate war, not prolonging something for personal gain.. but that's a whole other thread of discussion)