norhern lights #5 sucks! don't grow it! (read more inside!)

kona gold

kona gold

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Dunbar Santiago said:
These chemicals you speak of are the same damn chemicals in organic dirt. P is P, N is N, no matter how you look at it. Like OG said, it's the ratios. You're not giving your plants anti freeze by feeding them non organically. You are confused by the word "chemical" and how plants use nutes. Re educate yourself bro bro. You're the one acting like a know-it-all, and are mistaken.
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Its not the N P K i'm talking about. +t's the same as what Coloncowboy is talking about. Its the chelate's that we're talking about. Chelates are how these chemmical coumpound get forced to be taken up by the plants. This is why the chemicals get forced into the plant tissue unnaturally by chelating.
Organically the nutrients are naturally taken up by the plants as the need it. Dont get me wrong.....you can overdue organic as well, but it is not forced to take it up by artificial means.

The reason i am so concerned about this, is because, on a recent trip to cali, to check out dispensaries and their quality, i noticed most carried non organic medicine. This highly concerns me cause if sick people are buying chemical grown meds, their health might be getting affected. Cause most people who use synthetic fertilizer, not all, use non natural pesticides and fungalcides. And that is toxic to smoke no matter how early applied.

So you can think that chemicals are safe, just like Monsanto does, or you can see that this type of farming is unhealthy practice for people to ingest, and it doesnt do well for the environment. Its used because of its ease of use, and people who are concerned more about yield than quality.

This post is not intended to attack, or condescend on anyone. Its just my view that i am expressing, so please dont be offended.
 
kona gold

kona gold

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........also alot of the lighter more delicate flavors of marijuana, dont come to the palate, when chemicals are being used. Sure the heavy dank flavors come through, but the lighter ones have a tougher time. Like the lighter flowery/citrus candy type of flavors. This is my expeience anyways.
I'm sure their are some master chem grower out there, that have it dialed in over the years.
 
Amos Otis

Amos Otis

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My way is better than your way.
Your way sucks because it's not my way.
I wouldn't do your way - it sucks.

Et frikken cetera.

I do hydro. I use DynaGro and sometimes GH. Foliage formula, then bloom formula, with cal/mag and superthrive throughout until generally a 10 day flush.

I consider this a somewhat lazy man's way of doing it, even though getting ppm's and ph correct for gallons of water weekly AND reservoir changes is very time consuming, but it's not complicated. If I'm burning good weed; and I am; I don't like complicated.

I have found a reliable way to produce very good smoke on a regular basis w/ very few problems usually. My lime strains taste like lime, my cheese is deliciously fruity w/ a bite. So in essence, I'm satisfied with the results gotten for the efforts put in, and the circle of people who partake are as well.

I'd never be so stupid as to say I'm 'dialed in' and am getting the full genetic potential of every bean. I know that I'm not. But the lush green growth through veg and the sticky buds at finish and the fine smoke at the end tells me I'm satisfied.

That's not to say that I wouldn't LOVE smoking some of this perfectly dialed in weed that you guys all seem to think you have...and maybe you do. :) Maybe I'd think all the extra headaches to be worth it. Maybe I'd discover why OG likes Extrema. :lol:

Then again...maybe not. I dunno......think I'll have a couple more pulls on this cherry tasting J and move on to another topic. :bigjoint:

Here's some chemical/hydro Chernobyl and Ripped Bubba clones at day 18 12/12. Guess I don't care enough to know what might be wrong with 'em :) because I must foolishly think they're just fine.

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kona gold

kona gold

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Amos Otis said:
My way is better than your way.
Your way sucks because it's not my way.
I wouldn't do your way - it sucks.

Et frikken cetera.

I do hydro. I use DynaGro and sometimes GH. Foliage formula, then bloom formula, with cal/mag and superthrive throughout until generally a 10 day flush.

I consider this a somewhat lazy man's way of doing it, even though getting ppm's and ph correct for gallons of water weekly AND reservoir changes is very time consuming, but it's not complicated. If I'm burning good weed; and I am; I don't like complicated.

I have found a reliable way to produce very good smoke on a regular basis w/ very few problems usually. My lime strains taste like lime, my cheese is deliciously fruity w/ a bite. So in essence, I'm satisfied with the results gotten for the efforts put in, and the circle of people who partake are as well.

I'd never be so stupid as to say I'm 'dialed in' and am getting the full genetic potential of every bean. I know that I'm not. But the lush green growth through veg and the sticky buds at finish and the fine smoke at the end tells me I'm satisfied.

That's not to say that I wouldn't LOVE smoking some of this perfectly dialed in weed that you guys all seem to think you have...and maybe you do. :) Maybe I'd think all the extra headaches to be worth it. Maybe I'd discover why OG likes Extrema. :lol:

Then again...maybe not. I dunno......think I'll have a couple more pulls on this cherry tasting J and move on to another topic. :bigjoint:

Here's some chemical/hydro Chernobyl and Ripped Bubba clones at day 18 12/12. Guess I don't care enough to know what might be wrong with 'em :) because I must foolishly think they're just fine.

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I am stoked for you and your cherry j!
I also appreciate your sarcasm.

I personally will never have thing dialed in or claim to be a master of anything.
There is always constant learning and improving that one can do.
I thank the Lord, that i am able to be apart of such a special healing, spiritual, unique plant.
 
TonightYou

TonightYou

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kona gold said:
Its not the N P K i'm talking about. +t's the same as what Coloncowboy is talking about. Its the chelate's that we're talking about. Chelates are how these chemmical coumpound get forced to be taken up by the plants. This is why the chemicals get forced into the plant tissue unnaturally by chelating.
Organically the nutrients are naturally taken up by the plants as the need it. Dont get me wrong.....you can overdue organic as well, but it is not forced to take it up by artificial means.

The reason i am so concerned about this, is because, on a recent trip to cali, to check out dispensaries and their quality, i noticed most carried non organic medicine. This highly concerns me cause if sick people are buying chemical grown meds, their health might be getting affected. Cause most people who use synthetic fertilizer, not all, use non natural pesticides and fungalcides. And that is toxic to smoke no matter how early applied.

So you can think that chemicals are safe, just like Monsanto does, or you can see that this type of farming is unhealthy practice for people to ingest, and it doesnt do well for the environment. Its used because of its ease of use, and people who are concerned more about yield than quality.

This post is not intended to attack, or condescend on anyone. Its just my view that i am expressing, so please dont be offended.
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Everyone is entitled to an opinion but not facts. I'd say organic fertilizer is a great way to go both environmental and ease of applications for large plots but there are no conclusive studies that organics out preform or are healthier than non organics. All this is a click away on JSTOR or pick your favorite academic journal search.

if it wasn't for chemical fertilizers, much of the world would starve. Safety usage and track record are quite long and conclusive.

Also someone using chemical fertilizers isn't more likely to use pesticides and herbicides. Again, pesticides when safely applied at the right time are safe to use.
 
OGEvilgenius

OGEvilgenius

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kona gold said:
Its not the N P K i'm talking about. +t's the same as what Coloncowboy is talking about. Its the chelate's that we're talking about. Chelates are how these chemmical coumpound get forced to be taken up by the plants. This is why the chemicals get forced into the plant tissue unnaturally by chelating.
Organically the nutrients are naturally taken up by the plants as the need it. Dont get me wrong.....you can overdue organic as well, but it is not forced to take it up by artificial means.

The reason i am so concerned about this, is because, on a recent trip to cali, to check out dispensaries and their quality, i noticed most carried non organic medicine. This highly concerns me cause if sick people are buying chemical grown meds, their health might be getting affected. Cause most people who use synthetic fertilizer, not all, use non natural pesticides and fungalcides. And that is toxic to smoke no matter how early applied.

So you can think that chemicals are safe, just like Monsanto does, or you can see that this type of farming is unhealthy practice for people to ingest, and it doesnt do well for the environment. Its used because of its ease of use, and people who are concerned more about yield than quality.

This post is not intended to attack, or condescend on anyone. Its just my view that i am expressing, so please dont be offended.
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Humic and Fulvic acid are chelators as well. The difference again is the biology which takes care of excessive free nutrients by attaching them to humus in your mix and releasing them when the plant sends a signal indicating they're necessary. As far as conventional farming goes, it should all be permaculture/organically based and there's no real debate there IMO. There's room for green house hydro operations and such, as there are waste by products that end up being used to make chemical fertilizers and they shouldn't be wasted (as long as we're on the oil teet) but they should be used properly and they generally are not.
 
OGEvilgenius

OGEvilgenius

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TonightYou said:
Everyone is entitled to an opinion but not facts. I'd say organic fertilizer is a great way to go both environmental and ease of applications for large plots but there are no conclusive studies that organics out preform or are healthier than non organics. All this is a click away on JSTOR or pick your favorite academic journal search.

if it wasn't for chemical fertilizers, much of the world would starve. Safety usage and track record are quite long and conclusive.

Also someone using chemical fertilizers isn't more likely to use pesticides and herbicides. Again, pesticides when safely applied at the right time are safe to use.
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Those studies are pretty terribly done IMO. A lot of agricultural studies are done in a very practical manner, and are not well controlled IMO. Nature of the beast somewhat. The whole we'd starve without chemicals is a myth too. Japanese farmers used to provide for their family (including housing and food) with about a half acre of land using no chemicals at all. What really pushed our food production over the top was the introduction of F1 hybrids into the food supply.
 
bluntmassa1

bluntmassa1

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hazey grapes said:
not really. that was just an attention getter to make everyone here that keeps it real stop by to straighten that shit out. i recommended it in this thread https://www.rollitup.org/seed-strain-reviews/767386-disregarding-quality-2.html as it's pretty much universally regarded as about the best beginner/low odor/cash cropper strain someone could start with, but this troll loser wants to make an issue about it, so i'm seeking some vengeance making them look like the lying fool that they are

i've read up a lot on NL#5. i wouldn't ever grow it myself as i have no use for indicas, but know it as a good recommendation all around for anyone looking for a no fuss potent strain that doesn't stink and that yields nicely.

am i lying?
let's stick to FACTS up in here, shall we?
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All your ass grows is cash crop strains I at least did Mango Haze which is pretty good takes a bit of time and I really like a good indica or skunk high just as much and its much quicker I didn't care too much for the nl5 x Afghan the high was great just not my favorite flavor. So yeah hazey grow some haze properly and stfu. I really don't find haze all that special they are good but not really better then indica imo.
 
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