No, lower budsites DO NOT need light to develop! Get educated.

natro.hydro said:

Did not realize i was uncle ben, or that i argued with you.
Looks like some one took addyrall instead of xanax this morning.

I have nothing but nice to you ya lil arrogant fuck... even recommended some reading to ya but fuck me right??? You put a lot of words in my mouth, was more trying to defuse the situation but carry on with the ass hattery, some fucking people i tell ya...
EDIT: saw your secon post after i posted, do i think you are stupid? No but you are pretty arrogant like i said be the bigger man, may noy feel great now but i always feel better taking the high road later on. Like i said was more or less just trying to defuse the situation, interested to see how your experiment goes even tho i have a hypothesis that differs.


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OscarLaGrouch said:

a super veteran grower that is one of my mentors basically told me what you are saying, that when a mature fan leaf is removed, the leaves at the next node draw the energy up to themselves, thereby kind of creating a vacuum of nutrients that actually improves translocation within the plant.

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Hazydat620 said:

If you know what your doing this is how a outdoor plant should looks like, UB threads look like amateur hour.
15 Gal. pots. started outside had to be moved inside under lights because of neg. deg. temps outside in sept. keep growing those 4 top "monsters" View attachment 3154633 View attachment 3154634

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killemsoftly said:

Why not just do your thread here and in your actual thread? Hostile takeover time.

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OscarLaGrouch said:

thanks for everything natro
my ire is not directed at you
Im taking revenge because the discussion you guys are having here could have been had on my thread but UB ruined it

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a senile fungus said:

Thank you for the response.

I don't believe this diminishing effect is as detrimental as many believe it is, because of complete control of environmental factors in an indoor setup. My plants are not wanting for food, light, water, nor protecting themselves from pests or competition. The limiting factor in a perfect indoor setup is really the plant itself...

The plant will disperse them locally and feed the next nearest pathway.

Yes, this is how it works. Translocation within the plant via phloem, or plumbing as you say. So when I remove a set of fan leaves the hormones and nutrients that were going to that leaf set will continue up the plumbing and make its way to the next set of tissue, most likely more, smaller leaves and budsites towards the distal aspect of that particular branch? So this might encourage a bushing type of effect that we see when we defoliate and also explain how those smaller branches are getting buds to become more filled up?

I have no formal education in botany and would welcome a response that is not demeaning, but rather informative.

Once again I appreciate the response in the first place, and thank you for not being condescending.

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a senile fungus said:

Thank you for the response.

I don't believe this diminishing effect is as detrimental as many believe it is, because of complete control of environmental factors in an indoor setup. My plants are not wanting for food, light, water, nor protecting themselves from pests or competition. The limiting factor in a perfect indoor setup is really the plant itself...

The plant will disperse them locally and feed the next nearest pathway.

Yes, this is how it works. Translocation within the plant via phloem, or plumbing as you say. So when I remove a set of fan leaves the hormones and nutrients that were going to that leaf set will continue up the plumbing and make its way to the next set of tissue, most likely more, smaller leaves and budsites towards the distal aspect of that particular branch? So this might encourage a bushing type of effect that we see when we defoliate and also explain how those smaller branches are getting buds to become more filled up?

I have no formal education in botany and would welcome a response that is not demeaning, but rather informative.

Once again I appreciate the response in the first place, and thank you for not being condescending.

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OscarLaGrouch said:

I know right? 4 top monsters what is this, the 60s? all my plants have 4-8 super huge colas and many more secondary colas and virtually no popcorn

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a senile fungus said:

Don't want this lost. Would like an explanation from someone with education, like UB, sativied, caretaker dad, et all

I'm hoping we can turn this shitshow into an actual discussion, maybe this is a pipe dream...

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a senile fungus said:

I actually thought that the thread has some good info in there, amongst the chaos. That's just what threads devolve into, which is why it is recommended to read the whole thing so that people can make judgments for themselves...

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Uncle Ben said:

Well....if you insist.

Address is 420 Bendejo Lane, Hazywood, Texas, 50420.

VISA, Mastercard and lean chicks with big funbags gladly accepted.

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Hazydat620 said:

If you know what your doing this is how a outdoor plant should looks like, UB threads look like amateur hour.
15 Gal. pots. started outside had to be moved inside under lights because of neg. deg. temps outside in sept. keep growing those 4 top "monsters" View attachment 3154633 View attachment 3154634

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a senile fungus said:

Thank you for the response.

I don't believe this diminishing effect is as detrimental as many believe it is, because of complete control of environmental factors in an indoor setup. My plants are not wanting for food, light, water, nor protecting themselves from pests or competition. The limiting factor in a perfect indoor setup is really the plant itself...

The plant will disperse them locally and feed the next nearest pathway.

Yes, this is how it works. Translocation within the plant via phloem, or plumbing as you say. So when I remove a set of fan leaves the hormones and nutrients that were going to that leaf set will continue up the plumbing and make its way to the next set of tissue, most likely more, smaller leaves and budsites towards the distal aspect of that particular branch? So this might encourage a bushing type of effect that we see when we defoliate and also explain how those smaller branches are getting buds to become more filled up?

I have no formal education in botany and would welcome a response that is not demeaning, but rather informative.

Once again I appreciate the response in the first place, and thank you for not being condescending.

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OscarLaGrouch said:

senile, you pointed out yourself that this topic is federally illegal
that means no corporate or university lab can do the research.
one would have to tag molecules and watch how they migrate through the plant after leaf removal to know what really happens in the xylem and phloem.
that's not happening anytime soon.

all we have is a bunch of growers reporting on their experience
and a few growers telling half of those growers that they are idiots

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a senile fungus said:

I dunnonif I believe the vacuum thing, but there certainly is a flow of material within a plant and when interrupted it will find a way to achieve equilibrium once again. I think this is how one could 'disrupt metabolic pathways' by removing too much at once.

I've always had good experiences with it, anecdotal and all...

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Hazydat620 said:

In a indoor setup do you get the same penetration from from a 400w as a 1000w, would you grow the same way? I wouldn't. Outdoor there's as many lumen's as you want with great penetration, so yeah maybe not cut off all of that lower stuff, I don't maybe just open it up with stakes, but OLG wasn't doing outdoor, he was doing indoor, a whole different beast. How much indoor experience does UB have? probably not enough to go shitting on someones INDOOR thread.

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Impman said:

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.....UB isn't selling any of you a fucking thing... he is just trying to rescue noobs from the snake oil salesmen.

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killemsoftly said:

Where'd UB go?

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