No growth for a month

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Faceless#1

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New to the forum, I'm here with 2 problems. My first problem is titled unique leaf burn. My second problem is I have 3 set ups. One for clones, one for veg and the other for flower. I have 3 plants I started from unknown seed that look absolutely healthy to anyone at first glance but once I tell them the plants are 2 months old and are only 18" tall and have been 18" tall for the last month they say oh, that's not good. They're right, it's not good. I have clones I started before these that are already in their second week of flowering and these guys aren't even close to a good size. I transplanted them a couple weeks ago from 3 gal to 5 gal pots, roots looked good, not root bound at all. Plenty of light, temp and humidity are correct, same as ph and nutes. I'm not a beginner in the sense this is nowhere near my first grow but I am in the sense this is the first time I've taken advantage of all the great nutes that are available now and put a lot more care into what I'm doing this time around. They are not over/under watered, over/under feed, they are on 16/8 uninterrupted. A month and a half ago I realized the timer had been bumped some how and the light schedule was 15-9 for only a few days because I check that old style timer all the time. I have no idea what could be stunting these ladies so much. I mean they literally haven't grown an inch. No leaves are dying, not even the old ones, shit they still have the 3 petal leaf they started with. Should I just throw them into flower and get what I can from them? Should I cut the girls down and stop wasting time and money on them? I'm out of ideas and any and all opinions would be great.
 
Red Eyed

Red Eyed

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Nevermind...seen the 5 gallon. Alot could have happen to slow its growth. The transplant could have shocked the plant causing a delay. You can always add more hours of light on the day.....18/6 or even 20/4. Since it's healthy I really wouldnt worry about it too much.
 
I_grow_weed

I_grow_weed

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Had this happen to me once with 2 outta 5 plants. I just tossed them into flower with the rest of them and after about a week give or take they shot up like a foot and a half and turned out to be the best 2 outta the 5. Not saying this will happen to you but did for me
 
Bernie420

Bernie420

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Faceless#1 said:
New to the forum, I'm here with 2 problems. My first problem is titled unique leaf burn. My second problem is I have 3 set ups. One for clones, one for veg and the other for flower. I have 3 plants I started from unknown seed that look absolutely healthy to anyone at first glance but once I tell them the plants are 2 months old and are only 18" tall and have been 18" tall for the last month they say oh, that's not good. They're right, it's not good. I have clones I started before these that are already in their second week of flowering and these guys aren't even close to a good size. I transplanted them a couple weeks ago from 3 gal to 5 gal pots, roots looked good, not root bound at all. Plenty of light, temp and humidity are correct, same as ph and nutes. I'm not a beginner in the sense this is nowhere near my first grow but I am in the sense this is the first time I've taken advantage of all the great nutes that are available now and put a lot more care into what I'm doing this time around. They are not over/under watered, over/under feed, they are on 16/8 uninterrupted. A month and a half ago I realized the timer had been bumped some how and the light schedule was 15-9 for only a few days because I check that old style timer all the time. I have no idea what could be stunting these ladies so much. I mean they literally haven't grown an inch. No leaves are dying, not even the old ones, shit they still have the 3 petal leaf they started with. Should I just throw them into flower and get what I can from them? Should I cut the girls down and stop wasting time and money on them? I'm out of ideas and any and all opinions would be great.
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over watered
what light and how far away
what ph are you watering in at?
what nutes at what ppm
If you say everything is spot on and all that then we dont have any info to go by to help.

my guess would be the light sucks and or too far away.
 
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They grew real fast for the first 6 weeks. Then week 7-8 they barely grew, they gained maybe an inch in week 7-8 so I transplanted them into the 5 gallon buckets with 3 inches of river stone in the bottom to help drainage. After I transplanted them they haven't grown AT ALL for over a month. I'm 2 days away from going 5 weeks without any noticable growth. I've tried moving the light further away to force them to stretch and still nothing. I have clones I took from them that are almost done flowering.. I've grown a couple hundred different plants at different times over a 13 year period and have never experienced this. I had one that grew real slow before and put it in flower anyway and it did the same as yours it shot up a good foot and a half and had the densest buds out of the whole grow but that plant at least grew, these don't. I feel like just throwing them on the window sill with the aloe plants and keep them as house plants since they just stay the same size lol
 
Chemdog1989

Chemdog1989

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Dude you need more light! Light is the energy. The gas f It looks really dim in your grow area. I can barely see your hand in the first pic. At least lower the light man!
 
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Faceless#1

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Bernie420 said:
over watered
what light and how far away
what ph are you watering in at?
what nutes at what ppm
If you say everything is spot on and all that then we dont have any info to go by to help.

my guess would be the light sucks and or too far away.
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Im using a full spectrum dimmable luminpool cr600 1200w, it's a cheaper light but it really does kick ass for a $80.00 light. I got it when I was doing a study on cheap amazon lights verse the big name lights like spyder,cali and mard. It has a great footprint for a 2x2 or 2x4
It claims it takes 125 from the wall but I measured it taking 134, rare to find one that takes more not less than rated
4100 lumens per square foot
At 18"- around 700 ppfd to 500
At 12"- around 1100 ppfd to 800
Stats are with mylar, they were obviously lower without.
These are stats I pulled with my equipment not just what the company says. I built my own spectrometer with a webcam and a piece of a dvd for the defragment. You can download free spectroscopy software off the internet to analyze the wavelengths. I also have a hopoocolor spectrometer(I think it was about $700) that measures just about everything to do with light. I use it to find the best locations for the light and plants instead of going off 12", 16' and 18' heights for estimated par/ppfd. They are getting plenty of light. The luminpool cr600 is right there with the mars hydro ts600's I use in my flower room. I've grown many times before but never took it seriously until this last grow were I experimented with bag seed before I use my high dollar seeds. I figured if I was investing good money into it I should have every tool, necessary or not and learn about any issues that arise. I've ran quite a few plants through veg with this light, clones I took from these plants were vegged with this light and are now in their second week of flower. I like it so much I was about to order a second earlier today. My very first grow about 13 years ago I used 4 13w aquarium lights for 2 plants. Even with shit light they at least grow a little lol. I apologise if I sound arrogant about the light, I don't mean to be, just explaining the lights tested and true unlike most small name amazon lights.I don't think this is a light issue but I'm here to learn and appreciate all opinions. Maybe this strain requires more light but I don't understand how the clones from these 3 grew up bigger than their mothers and are already flowering. I'm puzzled by it and open to recommendations.
 
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Sorry for the book. Ph is always around 6. Never over/under watered. Light was at 16" for a month but I just moved it up to 18" to try to force them to stretch a few days ago. Nutes are general organics "gobox" has everything from start to finish just about. Ppm around 550-600
 
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Oh and I only use rain water or water I've ran through my moonshine still. My tap water is well water from limestone. I had too much calcium when I first started and had to deal with everything growing slow
 
calvin.m16

calvin.m16

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Dude the plants look fantastic are you sure that the transplant just didn't set them back? I've never seen stress cause plants to stop growing for more than a couple weeks.. Possibly they are the strains that just don't grow tall and are extremely short and bushy. I'd flip them if they don't show any progression in the next few days.. They look extremely healthy.

Reading deeper into your new comments your light is the problem. https://www.amazon.com/Luminpool-Dimmable-Spectrum-Function-Hydroponic/dp/B08FSLC9Z8

The retailer claims on that light are that it covers a 4 square foot area @ 12" height. The light is only 120 watts also soooo....

That light is way too underpowered to grow plants any larger than that.. I would flip them into flower and see what you get. It won't be a big yield with that type light. SO far though you certainly have the grow skills and beautiful plants. Just need better lights.
 
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calvin.m16

calvin.m16

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Bernie420 said:
over watered
what light and how far away
what ph are you watering in at?
what nutes at what ppm
If you say everything is spot on and all that then we dont have any info to go by to help.

my guess would be the light sucks and or too far away.
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Bingo
 
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Faceless#1

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calvin.m16 said:
Dude the plants look fantastic are you sure that the transplant just didn't set them back? I've never seen stress cause plants to stop growing for more than a couple weeks.. Possibly they are the strains that just don't grow tall and are extremely short and bushy. I'd flip them if they don't show any progression in the next few days.. They look extremely healthy.

Reading deeper into your new comments your light is the problem. https://www.amazon.com/Luminpool-Dimmable-Spectrum-Function-Hydroponic/dp/B08FSLC9Z8

The retailer claims on that light are that it covers a 4 square foot area @ 12" height. The light is only 120 watts also soooo....

That light is way too underpowered to grow plants any larger than that.. I would flip them into flower and see what you get. It won't be a big yield with that type light. SO far though you certainly have the grow skills and beautiful plants. Just need better lights.
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Thanks, not the best seed I've ever had but they are healthy and the buds on the clones I took from these look amazing. I have mars hydro ts 600s, when compared to the luminpool the real only difference is the watt draw from wall and the footprint. I spent a lot of money on testing equipment when I did a small study on cheap amazon lights. I think the manufacturer says the light draws 125 watts, when I measure the draw it's taking in 134 watts and has 586 led. The mars hydro lights I have, ts600's pull 100 watts from the wall and 240 LED's. Mars hydro uses 3x3mm an luminpool uses 2x2mm diodes) but the footprint is actually better at 16-18 inches with the luminpool. It's hard to believe, I know..that's why I bought the expensive equipment. I've vegged several dozen with this light. Clones I took from these plants were vegged with this light and are now in second week , almost third week of flowering. I have this light in a 18" by 36" room. The lights not crazy intense but I would think it has more than enough intensity to veg 3 plants in basically a 1x3 room when it is comparable to the mars hydro ts600, a light with a tried and proven ability to grow from seed to flower in a 2x2, even a 3x3. The ts600 does much better at a 12" height and has more much more far-red wavelengths that's why I use them for flowering. I have a couple of 100w amazon "quantum boards" with the samsung lm301b diodes that claim"1200w" but use the combined rating of the diodes for the 1200w not the draw. I tried them on a couple clones when I got them and they work good for 2 small clones or one veg plant. I will put one on each side of the luminpool. Once I finish a floor I'm doing I'm ordering 2 fc3000's to replace the ts600's and then I will use the ts600's for veg. Only reason I haven't added the "quantum boards"yet is because I was actually concerned they were getting too much light and we're thinking, "hey we don't have to grow to get sunlight"but I'm willing to try anything to get them to grow again. They are mature but I'd hate to throw them in flower when they are only 18 inches tall but they are taking up time I could be spending on my "mob" ,"night terror" and "bubble auto". I've been patiently waiting for these 3 to finish veg. Thanks for your input. I'm hoping I can learn a lot through trial and error, also through these forums and help other people in the future.
 
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Go figure, I go to a forum for help and out of the blue two of them grew an inch. I went to add additional lighting but took measurements for my log before I did and sure enough 2 of them grew about an inch. They just didn't like the light that close and between (minimal)transplant shock and being 4 inches closer to the light they didn't want to grow? 5 weeks is a long time for them to be stressed and growth to be stunted, hope they don't all go hermie. That's for the input @calvin.m16 sorry you don't like my light
 
GeneBanker

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I’m just curious why you’d spend 700 on a light meter and 80 on a light. No hate either. I just run my grows like a business and that doesn’t make sense to me. I’m glad your plants are on the grow again.
 
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@GeneBanker I spent 700 on a light meter because I wrote to a bunch of light companies letting them know I was running a study and would be comparing high dollar lights to cheap amazon lights and asked them if they had a light to lend or donate to the cause. I explained they can write it off as promotional sales and it doesn't cost them a dime but they get free marketing from it. Some companies wanted a deposit, cali made me buy it but told me 90 day no question returns were accepted,some just wanted it back after then some companies such as luminpool let me keep the light. I didn't spend $80 on the light. I spent about $900 in equipment to test lights, equipment I also use to find the right levels of light for when I do remodels so it's not like I just bought it to test the lights. But since I have it, Now I can test every corner of a grow room and manipulate it to what is most efficient. This grow here has been a science project/hobby. I haven't paid for any of my lights. I will be getting 2 new fc3000's from mars hydro and those will be the first lights Ive paid for.
 
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