NextLight?

So I was looking into buying the NextLight Mega when it comes out. What do you guys think of NextLight? I mean the 1250 PPF is pretty impressive but is NextLight a premium LED light company?

Just need some opinions on the LED light company

Thanks!

Hmmm,
I can not see on the website what components they are using. This to me is the first mistake a manufacturer can make. Fancy graphs are great and a good back story about the the arduous journey the designer took to bring the next great light to market are not enough. A product is only as good as the sum of its components.
I am by no means trying to discredit this company. The LED grow light market has been flooded in the past by false information and marketing hype. The very first thing a manufacturer should establish is the quality of the components used in their fixture.

It looks at first glance that they are using monos on PCBs. Which ones and what current by which driver are they driven? I have just dismantled a fixture with monos from a good manufacturer and retrofitted small COBS supplemented with the osram SSL 80 hyper reds that it originally came with. This fixture will illuminate the same footprint as their "mini" with a 50% reduction in cost. It is also dimmable for further electrical savings. I am a novice DIY light builder with no background in electronics or engineering. With the guidance of more knowledgeable members here I was able to build fixtures to suit my particular grow spaces.

I know not everyone wants to build their own and there is a considerable market for plug n' play grow lights. I can not help thinking that there are quite a few options already out there that compete with this fixture at better efficiency and price points. If this product interests you may I suggest you contact the company and ask for a breakdown of components they use. Post their response here and I am sure the many experienced enthusiasts here can offer you sage advice.Again I have no competing interest against Nextlight. Most people's coin is hard earned and without complete information I would hesitate recommending any purchase from what up until recently has proven a dubious market.

If you are in the market for a new car, fuel efficiency, engine size, upfront cost and the reputation of the manufacturer would all be things that influence your decision.

Unfortunately until the world is free from marketing voodoo and excessive profiteering the catchphrase when contemplating any new investment is
caveat emptor.



Cheers,
Will

I'm currently using 2 NextLight Minis in a 2x4. Napalm is using one in a 2x2. Same components as in the Mega, just at less wattage. Check the threads below. They mention the chips being used. I'm starting week 3 of flower today. So far I'm happy with their performance.

https://www.rollitup.org/t/nextlight-x-rainbow-sherbet.906331/

https://www.rollitup.org/t/nextlight-mini-150w-grow.904028/

puffenuff said:

I'm currently using 2 NextLight Minis in a 2x4. Napalm is using one in a 2x2. Same components as in the Mega, just at less wattage. Check the threads below. They mention the chips being used. I'm starting week 3 of flower today. So far I'm happy with their performance.

https://www.rollitup.org/t/nextlight-x-rainbow-sherbet.906331/

https://www.rollitup.org/t/nextlight-mini-150w-grow.904028/

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Would you say its the best led grow light you have used till date?

And also are you growing in a 2x4? tent and how many plants full grown can you fit in that tent? sorry for all the questions just very curious about how many nextlights I wanna buy

BenBernanke said:

Would you say its the best led grow light you have used till date?

And also are you growing in a 2x4? tent and how many plants full grown can you fit in that tent? sorry for all the questions just very curious about how many nextlights I wanna buy

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2x4, yes, tent, no. I converted half a closet. Not sure what you mean by full grown plants because it would depend on the size of pots and how long you veg them for. I'm doing 6 plants in 2 gallon pots, vegged for 3 weeks. At this point I cannot say it is the best led grow light I've used since I haven't completed a full round with it yet. They vegged exceptionally and so far they are doing very well in the first couple weeks of flower. I am pleased with how things are shaping up. I'll have a better idea in about 6-7 weeks when I harvest. Hope this helps.

I think the Mega looks pretty good
2.15 umol/J efficacy just slightly lower than Fluence @2.2

Big panel, almost 1meter squared

Website seems to revolve around light science more than marketing hype like "kindest yields, perfect spectrum bullshit claims"

Price point seems very fair considering: all of the above plus a 650w dissipation. I would buy this light ( if I bought premade lights, lol)

These Samsung whites that next light & Fluence is using? Must be pretty damn good.

Currently running 3 mega and one BML spydr 1200. After being burned by bml, we here in the Midwest decided to go with a more local company in Nextlight and have been replacing fixtures quickly. we will not buy Fluence products.
The veg8 more than adequately replaces all t-5 fixtures in veg, saving us about 100$ in initial electrical usage, plus 25% of the heat output. (about 15$ per fixture savings)
the NL Mega is a very lightweight fixture for those attaching to the roof of a tent. The bml outweighs it significantly.
The fixtures are the same size, but the NL has an 18" wider footprint. The new fluence are larger (42x44) but NL is still a better footprint.
The spydr1200 spectrum will bleach the hell out of your plants. i replaced a spydr1200 halfway thru flower with a NLmega, and some of the green returned to the bleach! I assume the SpydrX new spectrum would help too(they are very similar)
The design of the hangers is important to us indoor growers. The mega, attaches with the traditional "triangle" hook, to the light surface. This means that you can set the mega as close as 2 inches from your ceiling!!! The Fluence has a wire strap that drops the light a minimum of 9 inches from the ceiling (then add fixture height). for those with height restrictions, Mega is no brainer.
Tight internode spacing and the limited stretch that I associate with all Led fixtures
Yields are slightly higher so far...
Electricity bills are way down
No replacements for 10 years is gonna be nice.

In the interest of playing devil's advocate, I just had an amazing customer service experience. i contacted BML/Fluence and was 100% honest with them. I told them I took apart my BMl spydr 600 to clean it and modify it, and I may have caused one of the connections to come loose. They advised me to ship it to them, so I did.
-7 days later, it was returned in a new factory box, new cover panel, brand new updated drivers, Zero cost to me, other than shipping it to them.
So lets put aside a couple opposing customer experiences and look at these two lights based on stats and features.



Fluence spydrX plus is:
$200 cheaper for 10w more in wall diss at the same efficacy 2.1-2.2 PPF/w
adjustable & pwm controllable
better spectrum with the enhanced red from the Osram Oslon hyper reds 660nm
better more even spread from a better designed fixture with superior light distribution
better thermal management from 9 extra pounds of aluminum in the heatsink extrusions
90degree brackets included that mount in the control bar extrusion for flush mounting to the ceiling making fixture height 4.5"

in conclusion, I respect your choice @Midwest Monster and I understand that emotion played a strong role in your decision after a poor customer experience. But in my opinion, Nextlight mega is inferior to Fluence SpydrX plus in just about every category that matters.

Midwest Monster said:

the NL Mega is a very lightweight fixture for those attaching to the roof of a tent. The bml outweighs it significantly.

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light weight is a nice feature for tents, but not at the cost of thermal management

Midwest Monster said:

The fixtures are the same size, but the NL has an 18" wider footprint. The new fluence are larger (42x44) but NL is still a better footprint.

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innaccurate. the Fluence is clearly larger and has a much much better and more even PAR map based on the resources published on their respective website.

Midwest Monster said:

The spydr1200 spectrum will bleach the hell out of your plants

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spydr1200 is the old model and this is obviously comparing apples to oranges. Nextlight and fluence use many of the same Samsung diodes. So knocking one is the same as knocking the other. bleaching plants is typically user error.

Midwest Monster said:

The design of the hangers is important to us indoor growers

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it certainly is. Fluence offers not only flush mounting ceiling brackets. but they now offer pigtail IP65 leads that allow the user to remote mount the LED bars from the Control bar. offering additional flexibility for any application.

Midwest Monster said:

Mega is no brainer.

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if you dont use your brain to see which one is clearly a better light maybe

All your fun copying and pasting aside, I'd still choose the mega.
The bleaching is due to the Grow Max spectrum not stimulating xanthophyll properly... Yadayada....
It IS a spectral issue.. Not user. Which they claim is fixed with the NEW spectrum. They even state that the new spectrum has greater xan/carotenoid stimulation....
Hmmm?.... thought you were in the know. : -)

Midwest Monster said:

All your fun copying and pasting aside, I'd still choose the mega.
The bleaching is due to the Grow Max spectrum not stimulating xanthophyll properly... Yadayada....
It IS a spectral issue.. Not user. Which they claim is fixed with the NEW spectrum. They even state that the new spectrum has greater xan/carotenoid stimulation....
Hmmm?.... thought you were in the know. : -)

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I'm not really interested in debating the effectiveness of a product (bml1200) that is no longer sold.
and I understand making a purchasing decision based on emotion, especially after getting burned, like you stated.

When emotion and opinion is taken out of the equation, the stats on the Fluence are just better. anyone "in the know" can see that.

I get it. When you're wrong, let's not debate... When you're right, let's scathe online users' posts line by line. Anyone 'in the know'can see that

Midwest Monster said:

I get it. When you're wrong, let's not debate

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it has nothing to do with right or wrong. We are in agreement. Nextlight & their MEGA product is superior to the old BML horticulture 600,1000,1200. Comparing a 4 year old blurple light to a new white diode light is not really worth debating since the BML product line is not made or sold anymore.

And I'm not "scathing" you man, that implies anger or emotion, and this isn't either, its a more scientific approach to breaking down each of the lighting products.

I mean you no harm, and I am not trying to belittle you. However, you posted an opinion about your purchase of a very fine lighting product on a public forum. but some of your arguments are flawed, and i believe that my "copy paste" diagram adequately shows those flaws based on data from the manufacturers websites.

if you have any counter points to any of these statements, we would love to hear them.
Fluence spydrX plus is:
$200 cheaper for 10w more in wall diss at the same efficacy 2.1-2.2 PPF/w
adjustable & pwm controllable
better spectrum with the enhanced red from the Osram Oslon hyper reds 660nm
better more even spread from a better designed fixture with superior light distribution
better thermal management from 9 extra pounds of aluminum in the heatsink extrusions
90degree brackets included that mount in the control bar extrusion for flush mounting to the ceiling making fixture height 4.5"

As are yours. The Fluence/Nextlight testing methods were different. So if you're once again trying to get scientific, then you can't compare PAR charts either. The fluence was flanked by 2 other lights in the test. Utah St tested the spydrxplus at 2.02 and 2.05. We'll see what independent testing says on the mega's 2.15 claim.
I realize you want to inform people, but your splitting hairs on numbers that are "dealer quotes". And trying to make me look stupid in the process.
My Honda dealer said it got 29 mpg and 203 hp. Actually got 25/196.

can I just add the NextLight is UL Certified and DLC listed for rebates from you power company for any commercial grower. Its for sure the way to go in a commercial setting. They are also on hand and ready to order where as Fluence is a build to order light. The 3rd party cert and DLC listing for easy rebates makes nextlight a no brainer. $300 rebate from most power companies on the mega if you are a commercial grower

The Honda analogy doesn't hold up, driving habits have a lot to do with might, so the dealer information can be accurate but driving habits can and will change those numbers.

The Fluence spydrx has been proven, but if you can't grow then it doesn't matter what light you choose because your results will be poor. Growing habits, as driving habits can and will skew the results.

BenBernanke said:

So I was looking into buying the NextLight Mega when it comes out. What do you guys think of NextLight? I mean the 1250 PPF is pretty impressive but is NextLight a premium LED light company?

Just need some opinions on the LED light company

Thanks!

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You taking the reigns back from Powell? Lol doubt too many stoners know who Ben Bernanke is, props..