Next lighting LED $1,600??????

Dr New New

Dr New New

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I stopped by the local hydro store today and they had a new LED light in. I instantly noticed it because it was on and my god was it powerful. I started up conversation with the employee and they told me it was an amazing new light. It had its ballasts built in and just put off an ungodly amount of light. Since its new I doubt anyone has any experience with it. But does anyone have any thoughts on it? I was going to switch from 600w HPS to 1000w LEDs for my 4 x 4 x 8 Gorilla grow tent but after seeing this today I think I want to get it. I didn't see it online when I searched Next lighting, some company came up but it wasn't for grow lights. Any help on locating the website for it would be greatly appreciated as well.
 
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az2000

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You should spend some time in the LED forum here. There are a lot of predatory brands available. They don't specify the brand of chip they use, etc. They're basically Chinese epi-whatever lights marked up 3x and sold with a lot of hype as if they're independent of the Chinese lights, without any details how or why. Be careful.
 
Dr New New

Dr New New

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az2000 said:
You should spend some time in the LED forum here. There are a lot of predatory brands available. They don't specify the brand of chip they use, etc. They're basically Chinese epi-whatever lights marked up 3x and sold with a lot of hype as if they're independent of the Chinese lights, without any details how or why. Be careful.
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That was what i was afraid of thank you

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THCbreeder

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If your going to replace with any 1000w light or lights I'm going to recommend double ended 1000w with sunsystems hood . That SOn of a ***** will not dissapoint . For LEDs , do as said above . If just replacing 600w hps go ahead and buy the Ceramic Metal Hallide 630watt . That's my next purchase and the numbers on her are strong . Good luck with whatever !
 
nomofatum

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LEDs still cost a fortune for what they offer unless you go DIY. Stick with HPS/MH for best results without forking out a bunch of extra unnecessary cash if you aren't willing to DIY.
 
NorthernHize

NorthernHize

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Most of the time those super expensive led grow lights say they use Cree, Bridgelux, and so on. The truth is they only use like two or three of their LEDs and the rest are sub par Chinese LEDs. If you can't find a product on the internet that should throw up a red flag for you right there. If it stated it was a 1000w in truth it's prob only really being driven at about no more that 400w. If you in fact want to do led DIY is the way to go. I switched over completely to led and don't regret it.
 
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THCbreeder said:
If your going to replace with any 1000w light or lights I'm going to recommend double ended 1000w with sunsystems hood . That SOn of a ***** will not dissapoint . For LEDs , do as said above . If just replacing 600w hps go ahead and buy the Ceramic Metal Hallide 630watt . That's my next purchase and the numbers on her are strong . Good luck with whatever !
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I've been searching for numbers for the LEC 630 and can't find them anywhere. Do you have a link you could share please?
 
dannyboy602

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Dont put 1000 watts in a tent. 600 is plenty.
an led for u shouldnt cost more than 600. 1600 is just outrageous.
 
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dannyboy602 said:
Dont put 1000 watts in a tent. 600 is plenty.
an led for u shouldnt cost more than 600. 1600 is just outrageous.
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$2.50 per watt isn't outrageous for a fixture using high-efficiency diodes. Whether the OP needs high-efficiency diodes is a different topic.

But, it's definitely outrageous to pay that much for unspecified diodes. This seems to be one of the most predatory aspects of the LED grow-light industry. There's quite a few selling Chinese epi-whatever fixtures with a custom decal, web pages PT Barnum would envy, marked up to the price of high-efficiency fixtures.

$1.00 per watt will buy a Chinese epi-whatever fixture. As above, the OP should investigate the strengths and weakness of those products and weigh against his specific needs. There are a lot of people who are disappointed by these lights. They require as much or more w/sq ft than he's currently doing with his HPS. The usual recommendation is to go with CMH instead of these fixtures if you're in a space tall enough for CMH.[1]

The first question the OP should ask is why he wants to convert to LED? If it's to reduce electricity or heat, he should be prepared to pay the up-front costs of what is a long-term investment. If it's just to be able to say "I did LED before LED was cool," he should re-think his priorities. Or, accept that he's merely making a lateral step with Chinese epi-whatever fixtures. (Maybe not even lateral, he may use more electricity and generate more heat just to get the same yield and bud quality.).

If he enjoys DIY, he should build his own COB. He can get superior efficiency that isn't available from commercial products yet.

Whatever he does: Stay away from those expensive fixtures that don't specify the diodes they use. Ask yourself: with all the self-aggrandizing on their web pages, wouldn't they mention that they use a decent diode? Considering their zealous marketing, the fact that they're silent on this point should be interpreted as them using the same epi-whatever chips as what you can buy for 1/3 the price (a more direct import from China).

[1] In a short space a Chinese epi-whatever fixture might be prudent, one with 3w chips mounted on white backboard for close proximity to the canopy, conserving vertical space. But, T5HO would be better than that (in terms of efficiency and heat). Cree LED "lightbulbs" would be even better than that, but not as plug-n-play as other two choices.
 
Dr New New

Dr New New

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az2000 said:
$2.50 per watt isn't outrageous for a fixture using high-efficiency diodes. Whether the OP needs high-efficiency diodes is a different topic.

But, it's definitely outrageous to pay that much for unspecified diodes. This seems to be one of the most predatory aspects of the LED grow-light industry. There's quite a few selling Chinese epi-whatever fixtures with a custom decal, web pages PT Barnum would envy, marked up to the price of high-efficiency fixtures.

$1.00 per watt will buy a Chinese epi-whatever fixture. As above, the OP should investigate the strengths and weakness of those products and weigh against his specific needs. There are a lot of people who are disappointed by these lights. They require as much or more w/sq ft than he's currently doing with his HPS. The usual recommendation is to go with CMH instead of these fixtures if you're in a space tall enough for CMH.[1]

The first question the OP should ask is why he wants to convert to LED? If it's to reduce electricity or heat, he should be prepared to pay the up-front costs of what is a long-term investment. If it's just to be able to say "I did LED before LED was cool," he should re-think his priorities. Or, accept that he's merely making a lateral step with Chinese epi-whatever fixtures. (Maybe not even lateral, he may use more electricity and generate more heat just to get the same yield and bud quality.).

If he enjoys DIY, he should build his own COB. He can get superior efficiency that isn't available from commercial products yet.

Whatever he does: Stay away from those expensive fixtures that don't specify the diodes they use. Ask yourself: with all the self-aggrandizing on their web pages, wouldn't they mention that they use a decent diode? Considering their zealous marketing, the fact that they're silent on this point should be interpreted as them using the same epi-whatever chips as what you can buy for 1/3 the price (a more direct import from China).

[1] In a short space a Chinese epi-whatever fixture might be prudent, one with 3w chips mounted on white backboard for close proximity to the canopy, conserving vertical space. But, T5HO would be better than that (in terms of efficiency and heat). Cree LED "lightbulbs" would be even better than that, but not as plug-n-play as other two choices.
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http://www.nextlightsystems.com/ is the website.
 
Dr New New

Dr New New

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az2000 said:
$2.50 per watt isn't outrageous for a fixture using high-efficiency diodes. Whether the OP needs high-efficiency diodes is a different topic.

But, it's definitely outrageous to pay that much for unspecified diodes. This seems to be one of the most predatory aspects of the LED grow-light industry. There's quite a few selling Chinese epi-whatever fixtures with a custom decal, web pages PT Barnum would envy, marked up to the price of high-efficiency fixtures.

$1.00 per watt will buy a Chinese epi-whatever fixture. As above, the OP should investigate the strengths and weakness of those products and weigh against his specific needs. There are a lot of people who are disappointed by these lights. They require as much or more w/sq ft than he's currently doing with his HPS. The usual recommendation is to go with CMH instead of these fixtures if you're in a space tall enough for CMH.[1]

The first question the OP should ask is why he wants to convert to LED? If it's to reduce electricity or heat, he should be prepared to pay the up-front costs of what is a long-term investment. If it's just to be able to say "I did LED before LED was cool," he should re-think his priorities. Or, accept that he's merely making a lateral step with Chinese epi-whatever fixtures. (Maybe not even lateral, he may use more electricity and generate more heat just to get the same yield and bud quality.).

If he enjoys DIY, he should build his own COB. He can get superior efficiency that isn't available from commercial products yet.

Whatever he does: Stay away from those expensive fixtures that don't specify the diodes they use. Ask yourself: with all the self-aggrandizing on their web pages, wouldn't they mention that they use a decent diode? Considering their zealous marketing, the fact that they're silent on this point should be interpreted as them using the same epi-whatever chips as what you can buy for 1/3 the price (a more direct import from China).

[1] In a short space a Chinese epi-whatever fixture might be prudent, one with 3w chips mounted on white backboard for close proximity to the canopy, conserving vertical space. But, T5HO would be better than that (in terms of efficiency and heat). Cree LED "lightbulbs" would be even better than that, but not as plug-n-play as other two choices.
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I would be buying it to help with heat reduction, I don't care about it being an LED or HPS or MH or T5, I just care about heat and does it grow plants.
 
King Arthur

King Arthur

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I have been looking at all kinds of LED lights and if you wanna go cheap try mars or vipar, if you want some quality try area 51 or that bonzai hero thingy. You can put your grow together with almost any light and achieve results but you have to change your tactics. Under HPS I might just throw some clones in for a sea of green but for LED I use less plants and more screen.
 
GroErr

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hyroot said:
growers house has it. Its 2 lec 315w bulbs in one hood. I would go with separate lec 315's instead.
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Agreed, coverage is great with the 315's side by side. Here's 2x LEC 315's covering 2x 3x3's at different stages. The one on the far end is just about done, some nice weight coming out of there for a 315w bulb. they'd do great in a 4x4 with 8ft height. < $1,000 for 2.
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hyroot said:
growers house has it. Its 2 lec 315w bulbs in one hood. I would go with separate lec 315's instead.
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Hey Hyroot, thanks for responding. Yes, I saw the product there, although it's considerably cheaper at monstergardens (not the 315, the 630). As I'm just window-shopping at this stage, I'd really like to know some performance stats for all the options. As stated earlier, I realise the 630 fixture may not be the way to go, but I'd still like to see how much more light is produced and how well it's dispersed from the 2 lamps together, under that larger reflector. As an aside, I'm also curious to know how a single bulb performs in the 630 hood, so as to try and extrapolate the value of using a mixed spectrum (if that's the correct term) of 4200k AND 3200k lamps instead of the conventional changeover between veg/flower from one to the other.

By the way, do you know if the Phillips Elite Agro CMH lamps are compatible the OG reflectors as an alternative to the Sun Systems hoods? And if so, what type of ballast might be best? I ask as Sun Systems products are not sold in the UK (so big saving on shipping a heavy unit instead of only the bulb and less difficulty if faulty). I found these OG reflectors for vertical bulb orientation in the UK: http://www.hydroponics.co.uk/og-reflector.html#.VKtHgGp0yPw

EDIT: And thanks for your opinion by the way. Love checking out your garden. Nice educational vid's too. Keep 'em comin.
 
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