~Newsflash~ there is NO such thing as Cannabis getting "rootbound"

TheFaux

TheFaux

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OregonMeds said:
no he's a bit mistaken
When you water it pulls air through the roots as it drains out.
That's where he got confused.
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I figure he's talking about dissolved oxygen, which is nice, but not primary. Let's not confuse the noobs. If plants got their O2 from water, there would be no problem with over-watering.

I usually see growers bitching about soil compaction. :lol:
 
Hairy Bob

Hairy Bob

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When the roots take up water, air fills the small gaps between particles of soil and is where roots get their oxygen. Overwatering means that it takes longer for the water to be used up and thus draw air through.
I understood what panhead was talking about.
 
TheFaux

TheFaux

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Hairy Bob said:
When the roots take up water, air fills the small gaps between particles of soil and is where roots get their oxygen. Overwatering means that it takes longer for the water to be used up and thus draw air through.
I understood what panhead was talking about.
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No man, over-watering is too much water to be good for plants. Looks like you don't understand too much of anything.
 
bc.trip

bc.trip

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TheFaux said:
No man, over-watering is too much water to be good for plants. Looks like you don't understand too much of anything.
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i don't mean to be a dick, but then how would hydroponics be possible? like it's ok for roots to sit in water that's constantly oxygenated. i just understood over-watering to come down to not allowing your roots enough oxygen.


i figured this'd be a good place to ask a question about my grow. my plants in in 1/2 gal milk jug hempy buckets. they're about 6 1/2 weeks old now, less than a foot tall thanks to topping/lst. some are showing some yellowing and i'm trying to figure out how much nutes i should be giving them.
 
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Bear*rack Olama

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bc.trip said:
i don't mean to be a dick, but then how would hydroponics be possible? like it's ok for roots to sit in water that's constantly oxygenated. i just understood over-watering to come down to not allowing your roots enough oxygen.
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This guy has been doing his reading from the proper sources

bc.trip said:
i figured this'd be a good place to ask a question about my grow. my plants in in 1/2 gal milk jug hempy buckets. they're about 6 1/2 weeks old now, less than a foot tall thanks to topping/lst. some are showing some yellowing and i'm trying to figure out how much nutes i should be giving them.
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Depends on the requirements of that individual plant and the strain really. Also depends on what brand of nutes that you are using. A hempy bucket is a soilless medium and is basically a hydro medium in essence because of being so. Thus it is going to require more nutrients than a soil plant would need to have added to its watering schedule, and will also need more specialty nutrients to make up for those that it is not getting from soil, such as Calcium and Magnesium.

As a basic rule If your plant is in veg right now, You want to start slowly increasing the amount of nitrogen that you give to the plant while keeping other nutrients @ an acceptable and constant rate, until you decide to flower or find that she simply cant take any more nutes.

If you do not give the plant enough nitrogen in veg and it has a defficency of Nitrogen, then when you start flowering and get into it a couple weeks it becomes VERY hard to correct the problem and there isnt too awfull much that you can do about it.... so make sure that shes pretty well fed and there is no necrosis, burning, or yellowing of the leaves.


Then when you start flowering you want to gradually decrease the amount of nitrogen that you feed the plant and start feeding it ever increasing amounts of phoseperous rich food until you hit your peak food levels (your bloom foods and or bloom boosters will be what you use to do this with) Not increasing the whole time of flowering per say because once you are 1/2 of the way through flower youll want to start making the nutes gradually weaker and weaker until you get to the point of flushing....and then harvest.

A ppm or Ec meter would help you get better adjusted to giving your plants nutrients as it would let you know EXACTLLY how much you are increasing each feeding by. As well as you could take the water that runs off the hempy bucket and test that to see how much food that your plant actually USED (by subtracting whatever the run off comes out @ by what the ppms where when you put them into the plants container to find the difference, thats how much food the plant has used)
 
bc.trip

bc.trip

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Bear*rack Olama said:
This guy has been doing his reading from the proper sources



Depends on the requirements of that individual plant and the strain really. Also depends on what brand of nutes that you are using. A hempy bucket is a soilless medium and is basically a hydro medium in essence because of being so. Thus it is going to require more nutrients than a soil plant would need to have added to its watering schedule, and will also need more specialty nutrients to make up for those that it is not getting from soil, such as Calcium and Magnesium.

As a basic rule If your plant is in veg right now, You want to start slowly increasing the amount of nitrogen that you give to the plant while keeping other nutrients @ an acceptable and constant rate, until you decide to flower or find that she simply cant take any more nutes.

If you do not give the plant enough nitrogen in veg and it has a defficency of Nitrogen, then when you start flowering and get into it a couple weeks it becomes VERY hard to correct the problem and there isnt too awfull much that you can do about it.... so make sure that shes pretty well fed and there is no necrosis, burning, or yellowing of the leaves.


Then when you start flowering you want to gradually decrease the amount of nitrogen that you feed the plant and start feeding it ever increasing amounts of phoseperous rich food until you hit your peak food levels (your bloom foods and or bloom boosters will be what you use to do this with) Not increasing the whole time of flowering per say because once you are 1/2 of the way through flower youll want to start making the nutes gradually weaker and weaker until you get to the point of flushing....and then harvest.

A ppm or Ec meter would help you get better adjusted to giving your plants nutrients as it would let you know EXACTLLY how much you are increasing each feeding by. As well as you could take the water that runs off the hempy bucket and test that to see how much food that your plant actually USED (by subtracting whatever the run off comes out @ by what the ppms where when you put them into the plants container to find the difference, thats how much food the plant has used)
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thanks, bear, info is much appreciated.
 
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Bear*rack Olama

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the357ink said:
jorge cervant talks about roodbound in his vid..
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That man has talked about alot of things as his years as a cannabis writer. Tons of things have been proven to be highly inaccurate which leads me to believe he dosent always speak from experiences that he himself has seen to be true.:wall: And one who does that dosent know their ass from a hole in the ground, or needs to research their studies more closely and do some experimenting before releasing results to solely make money on(ie:hightimes)
 
pisshead

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Bear*rack Olama said:
I have seen it over and over again and Im tired of the Myth/rumor being spread on these kinds of forums, namely this one so much.
Cannabis plants raised right indoors will NOT get "root bound" when its roots fill the pot.

Issues that come from growing in small pots are ALWAYS due to plants not getting enough nutrients to grow with.

What happens is this, You start a plant in a small container, it grows just happily. Eventually the roots suck out all of the nutrients in the soil where they have grown to and it becomes deficient in nutrients enough that it stops growing as it once was.

When people transplant a plant such as this, It gives the plant more access to nutrients in that new soil and it continues growing correctly again as it once was.
But this is Not NEEDED and an absolution as most people growing marijuana seem to think.

Leaving the plant in that same small container and increasing the amount of nutrients that you feed it @ that time should be perfectly fine for that plant to be ok and start growing again once you knock out the plants deficiency.

Roots do not need to keep growing the whole time a plant is alive in order for it to live happily and grow. The only thing that is needed for a plant to live happily is all its conditions being met.

To avoid all argument in this thread I will ask this question alone...

"If you believe in a plant being rootbound because its roots have no place to grow into, What makes that plants roots become unefficient enough to stop absorbing nutrients, when they were healthy enough to do that before the nutes in the soil were depleated and all used up?"
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i know of 'someone' who has 4 girls in big buckets and 1 lady in a 5L pot
the little pot is growing just as well and doing all the things its sisters are

they all get fed the same amount of the same feed and all thriving

i am a major n00b though and know very little about growing,although i am learning more and more each day
 
klmmicro

klmmicro

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This thread brings up some interesting points and the arguments make a lot of sense, even if some are counter intuitive. I am in the process of setting up a small medical grow and mad the decision that I will be using 3.5 gallon pots for flowering. Right now though, I am starting them in 16 oz cups of Fox Farms. I am new to this indoors thing, so I have some rudimentary questions. Should I leave the sprouts in the cups until they take up all the space, or transplant them while there is still untapped soil?
 
stoner1984

stoner1984

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is the only benifit of growing in smaller pots the fact they are easier to move and maintain?

just seems you want your environment to be as close to perfect/natural conditions as possible and all your doing is restricting the growth of the roots thus restricting the plant. surely if a plant was getting all the nutes, water and o2 from roots in a small pot it would't grow more and end up root-bound??

i have 2 plants, one in a bigger pot than the other, the one in the bigger pot is proportianally bigger than the other, possibly coinsidence but just seems the plants have grown to suit the pots, transplanting today if i cant find any other arguements for keeping them in small pots.

this is my first grow and its not been without its falts but i've found it hard to control water/nutes in the small pots so ive ended up burning/overwatering (slightly) and had drainage problems so i cant see a positive to keeping them in a smaller pot. I may however be completely wrong or just simply inexperianced as a grower but simple logic tells me bigger organisms need bigger homes...
 
Corbat420

Corbat420

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Bear*rack Olama said:
I have seen it over and over again and Im tired of the Myth/rumor being spread on these kinds of forums, namely this one so much.
Cannabis plants raised right indoors will NOT get "root bound" when its roots fill the pot.

Issues that come from growing in small pots are ALWAYS due to plants not getting enough nutrients to grow with.

What happens is this, You start a plant in a small container, it grows just happily. Eventually the roots suck out all of the nutrients in the soil where they have grown to and it becomes deficient in nutrients enough that it stops growing as it once was.

When people transplant a plant such as this, It gives the plant more access to nutrients in that new soil and it continues growing correctly again as it once was.
But this is Not NEEDED and an absolution as most people growing marijuana seem to think.

Leaving the plant in that same small container and increasing the amount of nutrients that you feed it @ that time should be perfectly fine for that plant to be ok and start growing again once you knock out the plants deficiency.

Roots do not need to keep growing the whole time a plant is alive in order for it to live happily and grow. The only thing that is needed for a plant to live happily is all its conditions being met.

To avoid all argument in this thread I will ask this question alone...

"If you believe in a plant being rootbound because its roots have no place to grow into, What makes that plants roots become unefficient enough to stop absorbing nutrients, when they were healthy enough to do that before the nutes in the soil were depleated and all used up?"
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you even fucking sound stupid.

veg a plant to 3 feet in a pop can, then try to flower it.... root bound will no longer be a myth.

fuck, i wish people like you wouldn't waste our oxygen.
from all the people who have gotten root-bound plant, and know how little of a myth it is (even in ammended organic soils, and hydroponics.........) eat shit and die, or grow half a brain and use it.



A plant becomes root bound if it is allowed to grow in the same pot for numerous years. In nature, a plant’s root system naturally extends three times the length that it does into the sky. As plants grow fresh foliage above soil they are simultaneously extending and thickening their root systems. If left to grow in the same space for an extended amount of time, a plant will literally suffocate itself like a boa constrictor.
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In nature, a plant’s root system naturally extends three times the length that it does into the sky. As plants grow fresh foliage above soil they are simultaneously extending and thickening their root systems. marijuanas root systems, and foliage grows EXTREMELY fast, upwatds of 2 feef in 1 month, thats 6 feet of root growth/month.


see why you sound fucking stupid? even hydro will get "rootbound" so that the nutrients cant penetrate the inner roots, therefor the roots can not absorb nutrients to there full potential. its like saying "salt cant hurt plants, everything is MADE FROM SALT!?!?!?!?!?" sounds prighty stupid.....
 
Corbat420

Corbat420

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pisshead said:
i know of 'someone' who has 4 girls in big buckets and 1 lady in a 5L pot
the little pot is growing just as well and doing all the things its sisters are

they all get fed the same amount of the same feed and all thriving

i am a major n00b though and know very little about growing,although i am learning more and more each day
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yes, this is because he waters thouraly and only when needed, you can grow in small pots just as good as large pots, i personaly only use 1 gallon, 8" pots (fairly small...) you just have to know when and how to water to prevent the roots from forming a centeral mass.
 
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fdd2blk

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Corbat420 said:
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you even fucking sound stupid.

veg a plant to 3 feet in a pop can, then try to flower it.... root bound will no longer be a myth.

fuck, i wish people like you wouldn't waste our oxygen.
from all the people who have gotten root-bound plant, and know how little of a myth it is (even in ammended organic soils, and hydroponics.........) eat shit and die, or grow half a brain and use it.



In nature, a plant’s root system naturally extends three times the length that it does into the sky. As plants grow fresh foliage above soil they are simultaneously extending and thickening their root systems. marijuanas root systems, and foliage grows EXTREMELY fast, upwatds of 2 feef in 1 month, thats 6 feet of root growth/month.


see why you sound fucking stupid? even hydro will get "rootbound" so that the nutrients cant penetrate the inner roots, therefor the roots can not absorb nutrients to there full potential. its like saying "salt cant hurt plants, everything is MADE FROM SALT!?!?!?!?!?" sounds prighty stupid.....
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please explain to me why i shouldn't give you an infraction for insulting fellow members. :neutral:

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highpsi

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I think Corbat420 is right in principal, not in delivery (ie. insulting people isn't going to get you anywhere).

Root binding is very real and a fact for just about every plant on earth. A plants foliage growth and braching is directly correlated with root growth, once root growth is retarded for any reason, top growth will be retarded as well. This doesn't mean that the plant will die, it'll just slow growth. This is fact whether it be soil or hydro. I'm using a drip system with hydroton in 1 gal pots, and once the plants get to around 2 feet high, their growth slows considerably. They're still healthy and are still able to flower fine, they just won't branch so much anymore. I'm 100% certain that if they were planted in 5 gal pots they would continue growing with gusto far beyond the 2 feet I get with 1 gal pots, however, most indoor growers (myself included) don't want a lot of vegetative growth, so I start flowering long before the roots bind, at around 1 foot tall, that way by the time they are finished they're about 2 feet tall and are making maximum use of my 2 x 600w HPSs.

So in conclusion, I think the statement here is that you don't need overly large pots when INDOOR growing because a) we typically only veg for a month or less b) the plant need not get bigger than necessary so it can make maximum use of the limitations of indoor lighting.

I think everybody can agree that it's counter-intuitive to attempt to grow a 6 foot tree in a 1 gal pot, and conversely, a 1 foot bush in a 10 gal pot. I think the general rule of thumb is to use the right container size for the target plant size. If you are growing 10-12 plants in SOG under a single 600w HPS, then 1 gal pots would be plenty, however, if you are growing one or two trees under the same 600w HPS, then you would use a 5-10 gallon container. This just makes common sense.
 
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