Newbie answers to lighting: HPSvsCFL During Flower = Quantity and Quality

Tanuvan

Tanuvan

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"la9, I am not sure of the point you are trying to make." I guess your have a dry sense of humor :) I understood it was a joke, but I missed the sarcasm somehow.

The rest of the post was intended for the original poster. :mrgreen:
 
kuro420

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If you could throw together a guide on lighting that would be great. Every time I grow I always seem to have lighting problems unless I am growing outdoors but it is too cold for that right now.

Keep up the good work sir
 
Tanuvan

Tanuvan

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kuro420 said:
If you could throw together a guide on lighting that would be great. Every time I grow I always seem to have lighting problems unless I am growing outdoors but it is too cold for that right now.

Keep up the good work sir
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This is as simple as it gets...

2000 lumens sq. ft./21500 lumens sq. m. = Absolute minimum for growth. You won't get much from this, especially after the plant has grown a bit. Not really enough to flower well.

3000 lumens sq. ft./32250 lumens sq. m. = Pretty Good growth. Enough light for the entire light cycle, although your yields may be lower.

4000 lumens sq. ft./43000 lumens sq. m. = Very good growth. Once you pass around 3500, growth rate and ability goes up fast.

Over 5000 lumens sq. ft./53750 lumens sq. m. = Optimal growth. Dense growth in all stages.


If you are using over 200 watts consider an HPS. I have found that poor growth has been attributed to :

1) Grower Negligence
2) Not using the correct lumens regardless of CFL or HPS.
 
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onthedl0008

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LOL glad to see there are so many argumentative peeps in here!
The intent of this thread was not to put people down for growing with cfls!
I grew with cfls for a long time Until I switched to hps...Cfl's are neccesary for people in stealth space limited grow ops..And If U have enuff space and enuff of the right cfls, U can grow decent harvests...Just take a look at roseman's bubbleponics thread....
Seriously tho to argue that cfls are better than hps in flower U R dissagreeing with all the most scientific info related to growing plants..Im not even going to begin to argue this point seeings how many of the arguers answered there own arguments in there own posts that hps is better to flower with if u have the proper elements, spacextemp control and ventilation..

My whole intent for this thread was to show people that there are very inexpensive alternatives other than cfls..That produce better quality bud, in less amount of space,at lower temps than CFL's...

HPS is better than CFL during flower...When ur ready for the next step and are setup..Get back to me then..
 
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lunari

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Know of anyplace online to purchase one of those cheap HPS setups? I remember a thread posted about them from months ago although I can't seem to find it. Would like to pick one up for my next grow. It will be a mini SOG with the mother under my current CFL setup and the clones flowering under one of those budget HPS security lights.

Wasn't there a 250w one for $25 or something awhile back?
 
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onthedl0008

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Tanuvan said:
This is as simple as it gets...

2000 lumens sq. ft./21500 lumens sq. m. = Absolute minimum for growth. You won't get much from this, especially after the plant has grown a bit. Not really enough to flower well.

3000 lumens sq. ft./32250 lumens sq. m. = Pretty Good growth. Enough light for the entire light cycle, although your yields may be lower.

4000 lumens sq. ft./43000 lumens sq. m. = Very good growth. Once you pass around 3500, growth rate and ability goes up fast.

Over 5000 lumens sq. ft./53750 lumens sq. m. = Optimal growth. Dense growth in all stages.


If you are using over 200 watts consider an HPS. I have found that poor growth has been attributed to :

1) Grower Negligence
2) Not using the correct lumens regardless of CFL or HPS.
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DONT think it has a whole lot to do with lumens/sq.ft. myself...

I think what I should really be worried about is:
Total Watts/sq.ft.X Total spectrum/lumens of light source @ plants different life stages of growth..

And the Spectrumxlumens/sq.ftXlight source...

With that being said, Yes plants do use all light spectrums to grow obviously.With enuff light of any type i suppose u could grow a plant to smoke. But thru out a plants life span It grows and matures during the seasons of its environment. Whether next to the equator or not it all comes down to light being bent by the distance of the earth from the the sun that creates spectrums when it enters our atmosphere and distance from the sun also creates these seasons naturally.
Its been scientificaly proven that plants use mostly blue light spectrum (actinic ) to be exact,found in alot of m/h bulbs during early stages of life also found during seasons of spring and summer and fall. This spectrum is also found in hps and that cfl only tries to mimmick but works great if ur doing a stealth grow.
Its also been proven that during a plants latter stages of life adolescence, puberty and maturation.That a plant uses more Red light spectrum to mature and reproduce Which happens during fall and winter when the distance of the sun from the earth is greater.


Hope this helps peeps out making decissions when building a grow.


Stealth growers should be concerned with this as well:

Growth Production and Light emittence= Quality and Quantity+time
Time=money Devided by light eficiency and quantitiy.

Blue spectrum ( cfls m/h )= growth for veg
Red ( hps ) spectrum= Reproduction and maturation x quantity for flower

PEACE

Heres a lil more info peeps...Copied and pasted cuz I didnt feel like explaining it agian!
 
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onthedl0008

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la9 said:
I'm stll not convinced, are you going to do some more grows in case you did something wrong ? Are you sure the camera angles were correct ? I bet if you used a different brand CFL it would probably work better. My cousin's brother's sisters girlfriend uses CFL and her buds are way bigger than your HPS ones, how do you explain that ? How come the advertising says my CFL is the same as your 400 watt HPS and I'm only burning 32 watts, I'm getting better results and saving electricity and not having to worry about IR signature just in case a military test firing of a heat seeking missile goes wrong, I'll be safe, will you ? I also read that if you use HPS to flower you probably didn't graduate high school, are dumber than a stump, have no life and spend your waking hours here on the internet, what do you got to say now mr. smarty HPS guy ?????????

I'm sorry I just think it's funny all the excuses some people use because that is what they are doing and you show them something else works better and they have no way of coping with it. I'll put here that this is a joke because some ASSFACE will quote it word for word to prove I'm a liar and look what I posted and this proves it, hahahahahahaahahaha.

Good work and I agree with you, thanks for taking the time to do it.
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BRO Im really kinda dissapointed since U have created one of the best threads ive seen on here... Never doubted UR shit Cuz U put in work and are obviously well schooled..Although all our numbers need to be re-worked at times....

Dont really know what else to say on this... Never said U Must do anything...IM Simply trying to help NEW people out making there decissions in creating a grow room and let them know they can obtain better results in less room, with less effort at very inexpensive costs..

Anyone that grows in any lighting and gets to harvest should have much to be proud of i would say...In my experience tho..And Ive heard it said better by another member here that whenver i see these grows i can only wonder what the end result was if they used HPS.
 
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onthedl0008

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lunari said:
Know of anyplace online to purchase one of those cheap HPS setups? I remember a thread posted about them from months ago although I can't seem to find it. Would like to pick one up for my next grow. It will be a mini SOG with the mother under my current CFL setup and the clones flowering under one of those budget HPS security lights.

Wasn't there a 250w one for $25 or something awhile back?
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Heres the link ur looking for although if ur close to a lowes or home depot U can pick up a fixture already assembled in the home security isle....

Better yet create an account and go on ebay...20 bux shipped!

http://www.e-conolight.com/Product/EProductSearch.asp
 
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humblesmurph

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obviously i know nothing, but it seems that cfl's are perfect for beginners who are on a budget and growing for personal (1-2 plants) use with no intent to profit. Esp. those in an apartment with electric included. It's a smaller initial investment (26 watt bulbs are 15 bucks for a 5 pack at Lowes and Home Depot, enough for one plant i'm told).

cfls don't require that i buy a 300 dollar lamp and extra money on cooling it. cfls also don't require the electrical expertise needed to do real lighting cheaper than ready made units (don't want to burn my house down). If i do get some smoke with cfls, it would be more smoke than i had initially, and maybe i'll be encouraged to go bigger and better on the next grow (hydro instead of soil, real lights instead of cfls).

Point being, nothing is really lost except time. The cfls have other uses, such as screwing into your lamp. If for whatever reason, i can't/don't want to grow anymore, i'm not stuck with an expensive lamp and ballast that have no other use to me.

HPS and MH lamps are obviously better, the evidence is all over the internet. However, your examples showing that the buds from real lights are bigger than those from cfls reinforce another obvious fact--you can grow bud with cfls.
 
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onthedl0008

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humblesmurph said:
obviously i know nothing, but it seems that cfl's are perfect for beginners who are on a budget and growing for personal (1-2 plants) use with no intent to profit. Esp. those in an apartment with electric included. It's a smaller initial investment (26 watt bulbs are 15 bucks for a 5 pack at Lowes and Home Depot, enough for one plant i'm told).

cfls don't require that i buy a 300 dollar lamp and extra money on cooling it. cfls also don't require the electrical expertise needed to do real lighting cheaper than ready made units (don't want to burn my house down). If i do get some smoke with cfls, it would be more smoke than i had initially, and maybe i'll be encouraged to go bigger and better on the next grow (hydro instead of soil, real lights instead of cfls).

Point being, nothing is really lost except time. The cfls have other uses, such as screwing into your lamp. If for whatever reason, i can't/don't want to grow anymore, i'm not stuck with an expensive lamp and ballast that have no other use to me.

HPS and MH lamps are obviously better, the evidence is all over the internet. However, your examples showing that the buds from real lights are bigger than those from cfls reinforce another obvious fact--you can grow bud with cfls.
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Smurph bro, I was not trying to knock or put down cfl grows in any sense .. Afterall,I began growing with cfls...

ALL I am trying to humbly do with the intention of this thread ....

Is share and spread the great knowledge I have obtained from research and upon great advice from many of the proven growers On this site and others..So that new growers can use this wisdom to make the best decissions possible when deciding what light source to use during flower period...And hope they dont make the same mistakes thru trial and error as I did first starting out..

With all this being said, My first response to HPS was uncomfortable and maybe stand offish cuz i didnt understand the full meaning of the info being presented to me.. I couldnt afford the big daddy hps lamps..And knew that yes I could harvest a yield using cfls.

In this thread I Spoke of very Inexpensive hps lighting supplements ( U dont need a 300 dollar HPS lamp in a stealth grow) sold at stores very near to most of the people looking at or growing inside this forum...
I explained that by supplementing cfls with these lights..Growers can grow the same type quality and yield amazing quantity...
Bro, THE pix in the first post of this thread....

2 plants side by side.

Cfl plants largest yielded dried bud was 6 grams dried...Yes i didnt do this experiment with the reccomended 125 watt cfls sold at dro stores for about 140 out the door...I did this with several 42 watt cfls sold at home depot which consumed about 4 X more space and output about 3 X more heat..

On the Other hand... The whole entire reason and basis of this thread:

The other plant...My hps bud depicted in the pix was grown under (1) 42 watt (32 bux )same as 150 watt hps lamp sold at home depot..At cure and dry time the largest top cola measured in at 9 inches @ 22 grams dried in the same amount grow room.

What is there to be summed up in this...? Anyone in stealth OPS especially working with cfls in small grow areas should and must begin supplementing cfls with these inexpensive...low heat...space saving supplements.

On Edit: Temps can be easily controlled with small fans just like in cfl grows.....
Also on edit: These fixtures can also be supplemented in addition to the DADDY hps lamps, By placing 3 inches(42watt) above the colas u see fit for uniform maturation and yield during harvest!
 
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humblesmurph

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My bad brother. I'm doing a "quick and dirty" cfl grow (2 plants under cfls in a wardrobe). Your advice is greatly appreciated. Your tone in some of your posts seemed to be mocking cfl growers--novices in particular. I should have read more carefully.

I felt like you were stepping on my dream man. :cry: A day after I go and spend 30 bucks on cfls (5 26 watt and 1 68 watt) I come on here and read about how much of a moron I am for going to the store to buy cfls.

Have you, or do you know anybody who has used one of these 150 watt 70 buck hps+balst setups??(all I need for a wardrobe methinks--with some cfls on the side)
 
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onthedl0008

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humblesmurph said:
My bad brother. I'm doing a "quick and dirty" cfl grow (2 plants under cfls in a wardrobe). Your advice is greatly appreciated. Your tone in some of your posts seemed to be mocking cfl growers--novices in particular. I should have read more carefully.

I felt like you were stepping on my dream man. :cry: A day after I go and spend 30 bucks on cfls (5 26 watt and 1 68 watt) I come on here and read about how much of a moron I am for going to the store to buy cfls.

Have you, or do you know anybody who has used one of these 150 watt 70 buck hps+balst setups??(all I need for a wardrobe methinks--with some cfls on the side)
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Bro, I prolly dropped close to 500-700 maybe more on cfls before i read on this very site about these fixtures sold at home depot...Widow Maker already has a thread in which he spoke of these lamps...
How do u think I felt about learning of this after several grows much later in my system?
Sorry if my previous posts came across this way... My intentions were always the best in nature especially when the only reason i started this thread was to help people just starting out to make the best decissions they could make with limited money for the best results..
I dont really understand the last question bro....the ballasts are built in all u have to do is wire nut together 2 wires (doesnt even matter if u cross the colors black to white)and plug in to a regular residential socket and ur hps is up and running..
Yes this lamp is all u need to grow 2 plants vegged 8-12 inches tall and yielding 1.5-2 zips dry...Have i done this? I wouldnt have bothered answering this question bro...
 
Stonedz

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onthedl0008 said:
Bro, I prolly dropped close to 500-700 maybe more on cfls before i read on this very site about these fixtures sold at home depot...Widow Maker already has a thread in which he spoke of these lamps...
How do u think I felt about learning of this after several grows much later in my system?
Sorry if my previous posts came across this way... My intentions were always the best in nature especially when the only reason i started this thread was to help people just starting out to make the best decissions they could make with limited money for the best results..
I dont really understand the last question bro....the ballasts are built in all u have to do is wire nut together 2 wires (doesnt even matter if u cross the colors black to white)and plug in to a regular residential socket and ur hps is up and running..
Yes this lamp is all u need to grow 2 plants vegged 8-12 inches tall and yielding 1.5-2 zips dry...Have i done this? I wouldnt have bothered answering this question bro...
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Beautiful, i've got a 150watt HPS comin :bigjoint: one of those $20 ones from econo-light...
 
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onthedl0008

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LOL bro i just learned of these econolights as of recent....I have however supplemented cfls in my grow with the cheapys from home depot with awesome results i guess..Either way its all good..Hope everyone here is able to enjoy the satisfaction of harvesting a grow cuz it takes alot!
 
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