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Newb Closet Coco Grow, 400w MH+HPS
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mared juwan
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jasonlocsouthkorea
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what brand of coco do u use?
mared juwan
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sunleaves coco
mared juwan
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So I've been reading over Tetra's sweet god journal trying to figure out how to manage my ppms and I'm more confused than when I started. So for example if I water with 800 ppms how much would I want to have in the runoff?
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Mared, those plants are looking so good.
The way plants take up nutrients, they have to release other ions in their place. THC can tell you better than I can how to deal with run-off. I never check it.
I think I said 600-800 ppm. If the label strength is putting you at 600, you may want to top out at 10 ml/g until flowering. You can always bump the ppm up a little at a time until you start to see a slight tip burn with no leaf curl. There's your sweet spot. Honestly, the way those plants are looking, I'm not going to tell you to change a thing; your plants can do that.
The way plants take up nutrients, they have to release other ions in their place. THC can tell you better than I can how to deal with run-off. I never check it.
I think I said 600-800 ppm. If the label strength is putting you at 600, you may want to top out at 10 ml/g until flowering. You can always bump the ppm up a little at a time until you start to see a slight tip burn with no leaf curl. There's your sweet spot. Honestly, the way those plants are looking, I'm not going to tell you to change a thing; your plants can do that.
TetraHyC
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Mared, your plants look great.
Run off, I use it to get an idea of how much acid to use, remember pH is a magnitude like the Richter scale. 6.0 pH has 10 times the hydrogen ions (protons) as 7.0 pH.
pH - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
See how I was feeding with 5.3pH in then mid 6s out.
If ppm, pH get too high, I flush them.
This strain LOVES ACID, look how the pH rises big time in the run-off, ate up the H+ ions.
I really used to a recirculating rez., so this is a little adaptation.
Run off, I use it to get an idea of how much acid to use, remember pH is a magnitude like the Richter scale. 6.0 pH has 10 times the hydrogen ions (protons) as 7.0 pH.
pH - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
See how I was feeding with 5.3pH in then mid 6s out.
If ppm, pH get too high, I flush them.
This strain LOVES ACID, look how the pH rises big time in the run-off, ate up the H+ ions.
I really used to a recirculating rez., so this is a little adaptation.
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mared juwan
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Damn, Tetra . Droppin' knowledge! That helped me understand better than a couple hours of searching yesterday. Thanks! So if my ph is lower in the runoff than what I put in, then they have excess H+ and I should water with higher ph/less H+, right?
mared juwan
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Guys, what would you say if I decided to skip the clones this time around? I started to set up a little area under a countertop today that would be perfect but then I started thinking about the light that would be required. The clones would be fine under CFLs for a couple weeks but then my flowering plants would still have two months to go. I've been looking at pictures of plants vegged entirely under CFLs and that does not look like the way to go. Putting HID under that counter while having the light sealed in would create heat nightmares and on top of that I'm pretty much out of $ to invest in this project. So unless I hear a really good reason/method to continue with the cloning by 5pm today, I'm switching in the HPS and we are flowering! It's day 36 since sprouting.
blinkykush
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well i cant give much help following your last post, but wanted to drop in and give some props to ya, I finally worked out my early noob quirks with sprouting
thanks for your help on that.
thanks for your help on that.
mared juwan
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well i cant give much help following your last post, but wanted to drop in and give some props to ya, I finally worked out my early noob quirks with sprouting
Didn't mean to knock CFLs. I know they can definitely produce great buds. But once you go HID, it's really hard to accept anything less than crazy fast growth.
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It's going to take a long time for the plants to start vegging again after harvest. That is to say, just to start growing again, not to mention the time required to get it to a decent size. I'd suggest you keep one clone of each girl under the cfls you have. They don't need a lot of light. What you have now will work fine. Take the lamps out of those reflectors and hang them vertically between the clones. You can take clones in flower after you're sure of sex; it will just take them longer to root so make sure they have a couple extra fan leaves. A little patience now can be a huge help in 2 months (no down time).
TetraHyC
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I think User's got it. Even if they get scraggly you can take clones off of them.
That plant I was trying to reveg, well it can reveg at the dump, I shit canned it last week.
I have another one on the porch outside,its just been sitting there for months.
These girls I have don't reveg for shit, seeing how your strain is unknown(revegging) I'd go with clones just to keep the genetics,some say you lose genes when you reveg.
You can do it with what you have.
That plant I was trying to reveg, well it can reveg at the dump, I shit canned it last week.
I have another one on the porch outside,its just been sitting there for months.
These girls I have don't reveg for shit, seeing how your strain is unknown(revegging) I'd go with clones just to keep the genetics,some say you lose genes when you reveg.
You can do it with what you have.
mared juwan
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You guys are right. Even before 5pm I had decided I was going through with it. I've claimed another closet for the operation and have forsaken my girlfriend on yet another Saturday night to tinker in my workshop. muahahahahaha!!!
I picked up a couple more cfl bulbs and reflectors(I know they decrease the light on the plants but they save my eyes from looking directly at the bulbs). So right now I've got 6 26watt CFLs in this 2' X 2.5' x 8' closet. I'm waiting to flower Slowpoke until it's a little bigger so it will share the closet with the clones for now. With this amount of light I was only going to do four clones from four of the strongest females. One from every female would not even fit in my humidity dome. Check out the pics and don't worry, I roll a big suitcase in front of the doorway to block dogs (I'll be getting a baby gate soon,lol).
I picked up a couple more cfl bulbs and reflectors(I know they decrease the light on the plants but they save my eyes from looking directly at the bulbs). So right now I've got 6 26watt CFLs in this 2' X 2.5' x 8' closet. I'm waiting to flower Slowpoke until it's a little bigger so it will share the closet with the clones for now. With this amount of light I was only going to do four clones from four of the strongest females. One from every female would not even fit in my humidity dome. Check out the pics and don't worry, I roll a big suitcase in front of the doorway to block dogs (I'll be getting a baby gate soon,lol).Attachments
kulan hunter
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nice journal M J its good to see userfriendly helping out he is the a great source of info,
good luck with the grow i will keep checking in on it
good luck with the grow i will keep checking in on it
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mared juwan
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What do you mean? I see 55 plugs/clones fitting in that dome.
I didn't think it was good to mash em all together but I'll go by whatever you say so I'm putting 6 in there right now. I really think 8 goes beyond my light capacity. I'm not even sure my 400watter will be able to handle those eight big plants. Plus the lower branches on the two hugest plants are too thick to fit in my plugs.
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