New to organics.

anzohaze said:
Noi did not read all the post is what I mean. Don't be a dick bro. No need
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He's angry because growing is not as easy as he hoped it would be. He thought he was gonna pull a pound and now he's realizing that he may never be able to harvest anything. He thouget buying equipment was the first expensive step to success. Now he sees it might have been a bad investment. .guy doesn't want to work for the man now he's in such a big hole he may not have a choice. he hates that we can't tell him how to Successfully grow pounds... I think.
 
I feel bad for you guy. I hope you can pull it together before you go completely broke...do the research bro. Download grow bibles and start reading from page 1.. When you finish, read them again.
 
mr sunshine said:
He's angry because growing is not as easy as he hoped it would be. He thought he was gonna pull a pound and now he's realizing that he may never be able to harvest anything. He thouget buying equipment was the first expensive step to success. Now he sees it might have been a bad investment. .guy doesn't want to work for the man now he's in such a big hole he may not have a choice. he hates that we can't tell him how to Successfully grow pounds... I think.
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You overstep some in what you're saying. I am actually doing alright right now. It may be a bit soon to tell but I think my plants may be healthing up some since I gave them some proper nutes. Also doing well on my second batch so far. You're probably one of the more supportive people that's posted on my threads but ya gotta drop the negativity and assumptions. Ya I started out with unrealistic goals for the space that I have but right now I'm thinking between half a lb to a lb, that's realistic since I have a total of 13 plants going and so long as my first batch doesn't go downhill then I have no doubt that they will do well. Then there is the unexpected variable that 2 of them are autoflower and may produce quite small. I have no experience at all with autoflower since I didn't look those up, I was only expecting to deal with feminized or potentially male plants. At least 7 of them will be fem though since I know for a fact that 7 of them are from the white widow seeds.
Some people are able to get a lb from a plant, if I can't get half a lb from 13 plants then something ain't right.
 
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Honestly what you should have done is purchased a good organic soil like Vermifire which is pretty much water only, and gotten a feel for how to grow a plant first. Dial in your environment, learn how to troubleshoot problems, get a feel for how much you should be watering, etc. once you get a few grows under your belt and you feel confident that you can get a plant to the finish line, then start messing with building a soil.

Synthetic nutrients aren't dummy proof. They deliver exactly the same thing to the plants that organic fertilizers do, just in a different manner.
 
@Xephier
You don't understand how it works people can get a lb from a plant but they are at least using a 600 watt. U can't get that, u have a 250 watt led..weather you get it from one plant or 30 plants it's still going to be the same amount for that space and light..If someone gets a lb off one plant with 600 watts. That doesn't mean they can put two plants and get 2 lbs...The pound is what he would have gotten regardless of how many plants...If you want to do one plant u vegg longer to fill the space .If you want to do 12 then you obviously don't veg as long because the amount of plants you are using already filled the space. Get it? U keep saying if someone can pull a lb off one I can get a lb off 12..Please understand that's not the way it works at all..read dude your obviously not researching if you don't know this by now...
 
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I think.most people can veg a plant no problems. But once flowering hits it's a whole different ball game. It's Easy To Get many problems as Flower Is the hardest
 
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mr sunshine said:
You don't understand how it works people can get a lb from a plant but they are at least using a 600 watt. U can't get that, u have a 250 watt led..weather you get it from one plant or 30 plants it's still going to be the same amount for that space and light..If someone gets a lb off one plant with 600 watts. That doesn't mean they can put two plants and get 2 lbs...The pound is what he would have gotten regardless of how many plants...If you want to do one plant u vegg longer to fill the space .If you want to do 12 then you obviously don't veg as long because the amount of plants you are using already filled the space. Get it? U keep saying if someone can pull a lb off one I can get a lb off 12..Please understand that's not the way it works at all..read dude your obviously not researching if you don't know this by now...
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Thank you for the pro tip!
 
mr sunshine said:
You don't understand how it works people can get a lb from a plant but they are at least using a 600 watt. U can't get that, u have a 250 watt led..weather you get it from one plant or 30 plants it's still going to be the same amount for that space and light..If someone gets a lb off one plant with 600 watts. That doesn't mean they can put two plants and get 2 lbs...The pound is what he would have gotten regardless of how many plants...If you want to do one plant u vegg longer to fill the space .If you want to do 12 then you obviously don't veg as long because the amount of plants you are using already filled the space. Get it? U keep saying if someone can pull a lb off one I can get a lb off 12..Please understand that's not the way it works at all..read dude your obviously not researching if you don't know this by now...
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i think you quoted the wrong person
 
Xephier said:
You overstep some in what you're saying. I am actually doing alright right now. It may be a bit soon to tell but I think my plants may be healthing up some since I gave them some proper nutes. Also doing well on my second batch so far. You're probably one of the more supportive people that's posted on my threads but ya gotta drop the negativity and assumptions. Ya I started out with unrealistic goals for the space that I have but right now I'm thinking between half a lb and a lb, that's realistic since I have a total of 13 plants going and so long as my first batch doesn't go downhill then I have no doubt that they will do well. Then there is the unexpected variable that 2 of them are autoflower and may produce quite small. I have no experience at all with autoflower since I didn't look those up, I was only expecting to deal with feminized or potentially male plants. At least 7 of them will be fem though since I know for a fact that 7 of them are from the white widow seeds.
Some people are able to get a lb from a plant, if I can't get half a lb from 13 plants then something ain't right.
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I hope you're grow turns out the way you want! Growing aint hard, but to stay practical and not waste time and money isnt easy to do. When you start growing for 5 years+ you will start to discover how easy and quick it can be to grow its almost impossible to fuck a plant up. Mr sunshine took his time to help you because we all know what type of experience you have by the questions you asked and pulling clones before maturity on a random strain.
 
mr sunshine said:
@Xephier
You don't understand how it works people can get a lb from a plant but they are at least using a 600 watt. U can't get that, u have a 250 watt led..weather you get it from one plant or 30 plants it's still going to be the same amount for that space and light..If someone gets a lb off one plant with 600 watts. That doesn't mean they can put two plants and get 2 lbs...The pound is what he would have gotten regardless of how many plants...If you want to do one plant u vegg longer to fill the space .If you want to do 12 then you obviously don't veg as long because the amount of plants you are using already filled the space. Get it? U keep saying if someone can pull a lb off one I can get a lb off 12..Please understand that's not the way it works at all..read dude your obviously not researching if you don't know this by now...
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250w actual draw, the LED itself is supposed to put out just over 400w though. I also have a 200w CFL that I'm going to be adding to the room, only reason I haven't yet is that I'm going to be staggering some of my grow and I'll need the 200w to finish the veg cycle on some of my plants.

Also the space that I have is small but I do believe that I can still utilize enough of that space to grow no less than half a lb. I do not believe that is unrealistic, 432w in LED and 200w CFL with 7X2 foot space, I could go as high as 7 feet but I'm not gonna grow that high because it is a small space and I don't want my plants crushing eachother. I understand my limitations but that will not stop me from using whatever techniques are available to me in order to maximize my yield. If I only get a QP out of it then big whoopie, I'm gonna get a lot more on my next grow as I plan to use a bigger space + my 600w HPS (gonna have a cooler space to put it in the next place so it won't melt my plants).
 
SPLFreak808 said:
pulling clones before maturity on a random strain.
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Umm ya, cloning that wasn't really a primary goal, just an afterthought. I was topping the plants and decided on that particular plant to try cloning it just for shits. Frankly I don't need clones, I've got 13 plants going and not even enough space to let those grow the way that I'd like. I only pulled the clone to see if I could succeed in making a clone.
 
Xephier said:
250w actual draw, the LED itself is supposed to put out just over 400w though. I also have a 200w CFL that I'm going to be adding to the room, only reason I haven't yet is that I'm going to be staggering some of my grow and I'll need the 200w to finish the veg cycle on some of my plants.

Also the space that I have is small but I do believe that I can still utilize enough of that space to grow no less than half a lb. I do not believe that is unrealistic, 432w in LED and 200w CFL with 7X2 foot space, I could go as high as 7 feet but I'm not gonna grow that high because it is a small space and I don't want my plants crushing eachother. I understand my limitations but that will not stop me from using whatever techniques are available to me in order to maximize my yield. If I only get a QP out of it then big whoopie, I'm gonna get a lot more on my next grow as I plan to use a bigger space + my 600w HPS (gonna have a cooler space to put it in the next place so it won't melt my plants).
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That's a marketing gimmick...it's 250watts period..you will learn sooner or later.
 
Go by actual draw! Always! Or you will end up with screwed up calculations. It is possible to grow half a pound with 400w actual draw just not with cfl's.
 
SPLFreak808 said:
Go by actual draw! Always! Or you will end up with screwed up calculations. It is possible to grow half a pound with 400w actual draw just not with cfl's.
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It's an LED, the CFL is 200, so I guess if you want to go by actual draw its gonna be 450 total. As I've said before though there's too many factors with me being a beginner, having small grow space, cheap LED .etc. I'm not gonna sit here and say "I'm definitely getting X amount of yield" because that'd just be stupid but I will sit here and say "I'm going to try for X amount" If I don't get it I'm not gonna be surprised and shit myself over it, all I(or anyone else commenting) can do is speculate until the results are in.

In the end if I can get my second batch to go from seed to crop without dying at all then I will count this as a supreme success regardless of yield.
 
what type of led? There's good ones and shitty ones

on the other note.

find a simple soil recipe. Build your soil. Find some good genetics. Then grow your plants. Trial and error with training methods. After a few years you'll find your niche and reach your goals. With a organics you want to use at least a 10 gallon pot. Otherwise you wont get good yields.

everyone here has given you good advice. So if you don't want it. Then don't ask for it!
 
Xephier said:
It's an LED, the CFL is 200, so I guess if you want to go by actual draw its gonna be 450 total. As I've said before though there's too many factors with me being a beginner, having small grow space, cheap LED .etc. I'm not gonna sit here and say "I'm definitely getting X amount of yield" because that'd just be stupid but I will sit here and say "I'm going to try for X amount" If I don't get it I'm not gonna be surprised and shit myself over it, all I(or anyone else commenting) can do is speculate until the results are in.

In the end if I can get my second batch to go from seed to crop without dying at all then I will count this as a supreme success regardless of yield.
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Post a pic of you're cfl?
Honestly yeah don't even worry about yield. How do the plants keep dying?
 
SPLFreak808 said:
Post a pic of you're cfl?
Honestly yeah don't even worry about yield. How do the plants keep dying?
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As I said the CFL isn't in use yet, I'm using http://www.mars-hydro.com/reflector-led-grow-light-144-3w-100.html for now and when my second set of plants is done I will put the 200w CFL in with the main batch. The CFL is the one on the far left in this pic https://www.webhydroponics.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/125-watt-3.jpg

hyroot said:
what type of led? There's good ones and shitty ones

on the other note.

find a simple soil recipe. Build your soil. Find some good genetics. Then grow your plants. Trial and error with training methods. After a few years you'll find your niche and reach your goals. With a organics you want to use at least a 10 gallon pot. Otherwise you wont get good yields.

everyone here has given you good advice. So if you don't want it. Then don't ask for it!
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I am going with chemicals, I made that decision a while ago. I will experiment with organics later on but for now chemical nutes are the easy route.

I am thankful for whatever advice is given but I've gotten advice from many sources and obviously it's impossible to follow several pieces of conflicting advice so in many cases I just do what I want(after factoring in all advice given) and see what I end up with.
 
Mars led's will do the job. But theres far better options that will out perform Mars with less watts.
 
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