New regulations may spark Canada’s craft cannabis revolution

I predict that Toronto dispensaries will operate as they do now....close em...and they'll re-open imo. And good for them......they charge too much...but good for them defying the government...that's exactly what we need.

Somatek said:

I'd agree that it's hugely risky time to invest. I bet a lot of people are going to lose a lot, the big question is who'll come out ahead. I think dispensaries never had much hope of being licensed as the gov sees them as criminals exploiting the situation. Not that it's right, just the sad reality that all the people opposed to legalisation would tear them apart if they did. Just too much political blowback.

If you have the resources or a group that can pool them, are confident in your strains & production or have innovative ways to process it there is a huge potential though to create market presence in a new industry.

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Yeah, not that there's no opportunity, but for small mom & pop shops there's not a lot of money to be had, I'm sure the odd one will survive. But I think the larger ops with more cash behind have a better chance. Groups, pools of smaller players could make a go.

So can a house be turned into a micro grow?
I purchased www.clonesbc.ca just in case lol...

GroErr said:

Yeah, not that there's no opportunity, but for small mom & pop shops there's not a lot of money to be had, I'm sure the odd one will survive. But I think the larger ops with more cash behind have a better chance. Groups, pools of smaller players could make a go.

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Groups if small players vs big LP's is what I expect we'll see. 600kg is a lot to for one person to grow & process in a year. I think the entire market is in too much flux to tell because we're still thinking of it like we always have.

I wouldn't be surprised if in a decade smoking bud is archaic because the cost of rosin/concentrates is so low. If you've been listening to what Breeder Steve has been saying I think that's the closer the what we'll see. Mass production moving towards industrialisation; growing fields of it to put through a continuous rosin press, with the squished bud/sun leaves being processed for edibles & fiber/pulp sold in separate streams.

That's where I see the bulk market moving, cheap & strong that's convenient to use. I could equally see a niche market catering to high end customers looking for specific buds like hazes, kushes, etc. That I'd expect to be dominated by local regional growers, especially in areas like Niagara, Pelee or Okanagan Valley that have unique micro climates that suit greenhouse growing.

Again though, that could easily be wrong as there's too many unknowns. There's too many variables that could change things too quickly. So in the short term I definitely agree that it'll be hard for small players unless they're already well established.

Considering how long some banks have been accepting large cash deposits regularly from some BC growers, I doubt they'd bat an eye if they were approached with a solid business plan about investing in a micro grow.

The Hippy said:

I predict that Toronto dispensaries will operate as they do now....close em...and they'll re-open imo. And good for them......they charge too much...but good for them defying the government...that's exactly what we need.

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Short term maybe but they'll have to cut their costs to match the OCS prices & it'll be much easier for the cops to go after them. Instead of being tossed out of court they'll face bigger & bigger fines. Doesn't seem like that'd be profitable long, especially when it's cheaper & safer to move online. Which is what I expect will happen, brick & mortar stores are too big a target when you can be next to invisible on the web but still easily target your audience.

I have no doubt they will continue for the next year or two until the legal system dries up their profits & it's not worth it.

[QUOTE="Somatek, post: 14353728, member: 991592" until the legal system dries up their profits & it's not worth it.[/QUOTE]
like sayin the BM is gonna fail lol
you talk like LPs grow something worth while

gb123 said:

like sayin the BM is gonna fail lol
you talk like LPs grow something worth while

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No, that's just your presumption because you're biased & don't listen to what I'm saying. I think the LP's are shitting bricks because the regs are a lot more open then they wanted. I've clearly said that underground growers have the advantage because they have the genetics.

That statement is just another example of how you selectively choose to pick out specifics that reinforce your view. Also how it distorts reality by being so narrow & twisting things to fit your reality instead of looking at multiple angles, thinking critically & trying to see the bigger picture.

Somatek said:

Short term maybe but they'll have to cut their costs to match the OCS prices & it'll be much easier for the cops to go after them. Instead of being tossed out of court they'll face bigger & bigger fines. Doesn't seem like that'd be profitable long, especially when it's cheaper & safer to move online. Which is what I expect will happen, brick & mortar stores are too big a target when you can be next to invisible on the web but still easily target your audience.

I have no doubt they will continue for the next year or two until the legal system dries up their profits & it's not worth it.

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Beating the OCS prices isn't hard...even for brick and mortar stores. Undercutting them is easy for the BM. The store will need to settle for less margin. Store fronts BOOM in sales. BIG BIG money made daily. Even with lower retails I feel they will have the money to fight. For how long..your right...who knows.

The Hippy said:

Beating the OCS prices isn't hard...even for brick and mortar stores. Undercutting them is easy for the BM. The store will need to settle for less margin. Store fronts BOOM in sales. BIG BIG money made daily. Even with lower retails I feel they will have the money to fight. For how long..your right...who knows.

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I've heard anecdotally they charge $10-15/g, so competing with the OCS will cut their profits in half right off the bat. Then there's the fines & jail time facing them if they persist. I don't see why they would when they could just be telling people now they're switching to online sales. I guess we'll find out in a couple months.

Somatek said:

I've heard anecdotally they charge $10-15/g, so competing with the OCS will cut their profits in half right off the bat. Then there's the fines & jail time facing them if they persist. I don't see why they would when they could just be telling people now they're switching to online sales. I guess we'll find out in a couple months.

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Because a store front is the busiest you can get. Yes lower profits...but still huge profits ....even at lower margins. Their just greedy is all. That's going to have to change.
The store fronts make LARGE sales in one day....plenty for legal fee's imo. They've been making cash hand over fist up until now anyway.

Somatek said:

I've heard anecdotally they charge $10-15/g, so competing with the OCS will cut their profits in half right off the bat. Then there's the fines & jail time facing them if they persist. I don't see why they would when they could just be telling people now they're switching to online sales. I guess we'll find out in a couple months.

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People LOVE the present dispensary store model...the way most dispensaries have been doing it anyway. The OCS store will be a boring drab no touch or smell places. Not the same thing by far. Not welcoming by far. More.... take this stuff and get going...lol...stupid gov.

Somatek said:

No, that's just your presumption because you're biased & don't listen to what I'm saying. I think the LP's are shitting bricks because the regs are a lot more open then they wanted. I've clearly said that underground growers have the advantage because they have the genetics.

That statement is just another example of how you selectively choose to pick out specifics that reinforce your view. Also how it distorts reality by being so narrow & twisting things to fit your reality instead of looking at multiple angles, thinking critically & trying to see the bigger picture.

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oh now ..don't get all bent out of shape. Again....it's not me who is confused.

The Hippy said:

People LOVE the present dispensary store model...the way most dispensaries have been doing it anyway. The OCS store will be a boring drab no touch or smell places. Not the same thing by far. Not welcoming by far. More.... take this stuff and get going...lol...stupid gov.

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once the stores open ..there will be a rush by the few who thinkk its REALLY NEAT
Then they ll try it....
and never buy its again.
Craft will show it head...
I even see the BM offing there stuff legally/illegally in stores...
peoples home grown will see others having it.
LP's better learn to grow a good product like we have said all along
Poison shwags dont sell!..

[QUOTE="Somatek, post: 14353786, member: 991592"I think the LP's are shitting bricks because the regs are a lot more open then they wanted.[/QUOTE]


They should be shitting bricks because people remember the treatment at the hands of the government before they dreamt of us as cash cows. Criminal before....payee's now.
That is what's gonna fuck the LP's.
The BM formed for a reason....the reason has not gone anywhere.

8 months from now losses out the wazzo!!!

The Hippy said:

Because a store front is the busiest you can get. Yes lower profits...but still huge profits ....even at lower margins. Their just greedy is all. That's going to have to change.
The store fronts make LARGE sales in one day....plenty for legal fee's imo. They've been making cash hand over fist up until now anyway.

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100k summary conviction for an organisation selling is a big deterrent, you could very well be right though. Which is why I see the majority of sales moving online until it's slowly phased out.

The negative feelings you mention against the LP's is why I think the OCS will try to carry as wide a range of producers as possible. Over half are new from the last year & don't carry the same baggage as the ones that have been exploiting patients/using illegal pesticides/fungicides.

Somatek said:

100k summary conviction for an organisation selling is a big deterrent, you could very well be right though. Which is why I see the majority of sales moving online until it's slowly phased out.

The negative feelings you mention against the LP's is why I think the OCS will try to carry as wide a range of producers as possible. Over half are new from the last year & don't carry the same baggage as the ones that have been exploiting patients/using illegal pesticides/fungicides.

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sadly you forget or dont realize
growing large commerc??
take lots of poison
due to ,
many chiefs and not enough Indians!



"negative feelings" lol

who's negative.?
We just don't like shit business is all..!!
this ones the shittiest! or they'll make it that way if we dont have a say! Which we do!
what a revelation that is eh!"! l

Thai_Lights said:

So can a house be turned into a micro grow?
I purchased www.clonesbc.ca just in case lol...

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No, there's specific language around that in the regulations, you can't run any of the micro options in a residential dwelling.

Quoted from the regulations:
"Dwelling-house

40 A holder of a licence must not conduct any activity that is authorized by the licence at a dwelling-house."

That said, I'm sure there will be ways around that. Like in more rural communities the use of land is a little more flexible so if you owned a property and were able to get permits to build a separate building dedicated to your grow op/business which wasn't your "dwelling" you should be good. An option to consider.

Which makes sense as houses are really not designed for mass production of plants. We're all better off it production regulated to ensure it's properly grown.

Finding that balance is where the gov missed their mark.

Somatek said:

Which makes sense as houses are really not designed for mass production of plants. We're all better off it production regulated to ensure it's properly grown.

Finding that balance is where the gov missed their mark.

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Even if it were legal federally, between the provinces and municipalities I don't think you'd ever get a permit to grow at home. But if you lived in some small town up north, where you play hockey with the mayor, you may be able to get a work-around permit for your existing land