New Led Or Not ?

maxpesh said:

Yes the extra 3 bands are for growing Marine Algea. My design is specifically for cannabis in the par range which happens to be the same as a tomato plant but with the added bonus of the needs of resinous plants also targeting areas outside the range of normal PAR which none of the other sellers have taken into account and this is one of the reasons LED's have have had a shortfall in the last few years. Keep watching P.S not talking about just UV either

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Very nice! Im excited to hear more about your custom spectrum. Im using a company that uses - A Full Spectrum: That includes: 440nm, 470nm, 525nm, 640nm, 660nm, 740nm
--Spectra Ratios: 75% Red, 10% Blue, 15% Green, no White at all with fantastic results. Id be interested to hear what the added bonus of the needs a resinous plants are. Can you elaborate?
Whats the lens material, optical amplification? How fun! I hope you bring something to the table that kicks everyone's as@! Go advancement!

maxpesh said:

Hi, it will cover a 3ft x 3ft grow tent for flowering
The estimated purchase price is $570 . The unit consumes 260watts on average. Comes with a newly designed focusing lens to increase par in the focused area by about 20% (similar lens as the advanced diamond series). Also to note that these are not the cheap chinese led's and the build quality of the unit is second to none and WILL replace a 600watt hps. I have tailored the spectrum specifically for resinous plants but it will also grow anything else. So even at the edge of a 3ft x 3ft grow area at 15-18 inches above the canopy the light should still hit the the PAR saturation point of Cannabis. As with all LED's, ( even though the penetration of this light is very high) I always recommend the scrogg method of growing to maximise production. So there you have it, no BS and other company's would be selling this baby for a hell of a higher price .
I hope this is satisfactory

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Wow man! Im sold! Cant wait to see the finished units

Hey max, a couple questions...are these leds being built by yourself, or are you outsourcing? Also, have you tested any prototypes yet to back up your claims of replacing a 600w hps? Are you saying it will compare in terms of yield or in terms of area coverage, or in terms of etc etc...

Thanks again for bringing something new to the table.

I came across a LED mfg who has field replaceable power supplies and fans, plus greater distance between bulbs, and his spectrum choices are excellent. Google Amethyst LED. I think he 's in UK. They are expensive.

If your light does those things and is reasonably priced, you've got something

puffenuff said:

Hey max, a couple questions...are these leds being built by yourself, or are you outsourcing? Also, have you tested any prototypes yet to back up your claims of replacing a 600w hps? Are you saying it will compare in terms of yield or in terms of area coverage, or in terms of etc etc...

Thanks again for bringing something new to the table.

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Was going to build myself but can't make it any more economical than outsourcing to a dedicated large production outfit, but still they are making to my specs so I am happy to do this. One of the reasons that I am holding back before I sell this unit is that I want to make a full grow myself with it first, if it doesn't perform as I expect I will simply go back to the drawing board, but if it does I am going to choose someone else on these forums to do an independent grow. Like I said, I will never rip anyone off.

PetFlora said:

I came across a LED mfg who has field replaceable power supplies and fans, plus greater distance between bulbs, and his spectrum choices are excellent. Google Amethyst LED. I think he 's in UK. They are expensive.

If your light does those things and is reasonably priced, you've got something

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Sorry couldn't find that light

maxpesh said:

Sorry couldn't find that light

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Pretty sure he's referring to the amethyst from plantphotonics.com but I could be wrong.

fossil22 said:

Very nice! Im excited to hear more about your custom spectrum. Im using a company that uses - A Full Spectrum: That includes: 440nm, 470nm, 525nm, 640nm, 660nm, 740nm
--Spectra Ratios: 75% Red, 10% Blue, 15% Green, no White at all with fantastic results. Id be interested to hear what the added bonus of the needs a resinous plants are. Can you elaborate?
Whats the lens material, optical amplification? How fun! I hope you bring something to the table that kicks everyone's as@! Go advancement!

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I don't mean to be rude but for the moment I don't wish for any other light company to copy my ratios and choices before I'm even up and running. I hope you understand. I have nothing to hide about the performance of the light as you will soon see the results both mine and independently. Results are better than words, my whole point of this thread is to see if there is room for another led brand but an honest one.

maxpesh said:

Was going to build myself but can't make it any more economical than outsourcing to a dedicated large production outfit, but still they are making to my specs so I am happy to do this. One of the reasons that I am holding back before I sell this unit is that I want to make a full grow myself with it first, if it doesn't perform as I expect I will simply go back to the drawing board, but if it does I am going to choose someone else on these forums to do an independent grow. Like I said, I will never rip anyone off.

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Thanks for replying back! Sounds good on all fronts, but can you speak to what aspects it will be able to compete with a 600w hps? Like in yield, footprint, etc...

puffenuff said:

Pretty sure he's referring to the amethyst from plantphotonics.com but I could be wrong.

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Ah right. good light, a bit too expensive for me, but still Quality.

puffenuff said:

Thanks for replying back! Sounds good on all fronts, but can you speak to what aspects it will be able to compete with a 600w hps? Like in yield, footprint, etc...

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Hi puffenuff. First of all I'm actually an advocate of HPS as I'd been growing with these for many a year and all of a sudden LED's come into play making silly accusations that HPS is only 15% efficient. Well I'd realised this was a load of BS as I'd regularly pull 450-500 grams from a 600watt Philips Greenpower in a 4ft x4ft area(no extra Co2). Hence one of the main reasons for me mentioning the Green wavelength of light 18 months ago, everyone was saying this was just wasted light, after reading the Oxford grow article that just confirmed my theory that it wasn't wasted, so hold on ! Plants have been evolving with the Sun for billions of years and of course they utilise the full spectrum and just filter some light in varying percentages which best suits their purposes (different plants use different spectrums, there are bushes that have red leaves all year round just outside my house so they're not reflecting green at all). So we are trying to emulate Sunlight using electricity with the most efficiency. My theory with HPS is that they are a lot more efficient than what is believed, to me the most waste in this kind of bulb is the massive amount of heat produced. Now comes along LED technology with small results at the start, gets better with targeted spectrum's and through a lot of good people doing a lot of research are starting to find the spectrum's that ARE actually a waste of time to the Cannabis Plant. Now to me it makes total sense that LED's should be able to match and exceed HPS lighting because we can utilise the electricity that would normally go to producing heat to enhancing the spectrum's for enhanced flowering instead. So sorry for my rambling but I agree with HGL that the whole purpose of Led is to grow as much as an HPS but using less electricity and utilize a smaller space to do it in. The grow area for my light will be a 3ft X 3ft grow tent and I want and expect this light to replace a 600hps in the terms of Yield in this grow area.

any new updates on the lights?

i just subbed
i am excited to see the results. i am a new grower and i was planning on getting the cheapo 25$ leds with red and blue. just to add to my veg room with little power ussage.
you seem too have an amazing idea at hand. i was wondering if you considered spacing the bulbs out in certain areas togeather on one big board to get max light over area. instead of placing them to close and losing some light. like i said im new and just thinking comon sence.

st0wner said:

i just subbed
i am excited to see the results. i am a new grower and i was planning on getting the cheapo 25$ leds with red and blue. just to add to my veg room with little power ussage.
you seem too have an amazing idea at hand. i was wondering if you considered spacing the bulbs out in certain areas togeather on one big board to get max light over area. instead of placing them to close and losing some light. like i said im new and just thinking comon sence.

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Going to be using slightly wider angle in the centre of the panel and narrower towards the outside so all the plants in the footprint get their fair share of light. The lens I am using will give approx 20% more pare in the grow area, they work by minimising light spillage, a bit like a powerful focused torch when you shine it on the wall.

st0wner said:

i just subbed
i am excited to see the results. i am a new grower and i was planning on getting the cheapo 25$ leds with red and blue. just to add to my veg room with little power ussage.
you seem too have an amazing idea at hand. i was wondering if you considered spacing the bulbs out in certain areas togeather on one big board to get max light over area. instead of placing them to close and losing some light. like i said im new and just thinking comon sence.

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Going to be using slightly wider angle in the centre of the panel and narrower towards the outside so all the plants in the footprint get their fair share of light. The lens I am using will give approx 20% more pare in the grow area, they work by minimising light spillage, a bit like a powerful focused torch when you shine it on the wall.

thats awsome. i can respect this because i have worn glasses my whole life. with bad vison and evil mind as a kid i used to use my glasses as the same thing with the sun to burn things lol. i think you have covered ever aspect that i can think of. i am really excited to get one of these on my hands one day. and idc what anyone says i belive just based of the raw facts you have givin us in this forum. i would be more then happy to test, morket and anything you want to further the abbility to grow and produce good weed with low coasts. maximum efficent minimul effort. i love it

st0wner said:

thats awsome. i can respect this because i have worn glasses my whole life. with bad vison and evil mind as a kid i used to use my glasses as the same thing with the sun to burn things lol. i think you have covered ever aspect that i can think of. i am really excited to get one of these on my hands one day. and idc what anyone says i belive just based of the raw facts you have givin us in this forum. i would be more then happy to test, morket and anything you want to further the abbility to grow and produce good weed with low coasts. maximum efficent minimul effort. i love it

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Thank you for you kind comments I have only this to say " I do not believe that every expert is an expert". I believe that all large jumps forward take a little bit of thinking outside of the box. Did Newton have a degree ? Did Einstein have an HND ? No! Why ? Because they knew they were right and everyone else was wearing blindfolds, they saw things VERY differently. This is all that is needed to make something great. I dislike greed and I'm going to end it.

i love commenting and i love the truth in all that you have to say. i believe that everyone is wearing blindfolds which other people put there. everyone things leds as a whole are a waste of money and time becuase realisticle you cant produce the good amounts of bud in the time it takes to grow with the amount of lummens that the led gives off. with the right lummens in the right spot at the right amount of time on the riught plant i believe you can do it without a problem. i actualy was having a conversation with my boss at work about somehting like this. it was the difference between a tomato grown outside and 1 grown inside. he said its impossible for the indoor tomato to taste even half as good. i believe with the right nuts the right growth medium( ie soil or hydraton) and the right lights i can produce a beter tasting tomato. the point is to try and figure out how to make fruits and vegs not just seasonal but year round with the advance of indoor growing. just a thought but i do know if you can master this then i have no doubt of it becoming huge if i master indoor growth for vegs and fruit maybe i can use your light to market both il let ou know how my ex[eriment goes when i start it. may be a couple weeks cause im tight for money at the moment. anywho keep up the great work love to see some updates

st0wner said:

i love commenting and i love the truth in all that you have to say. i believe that everyone is wearing blindfolds which other people put there. everyone things leds as a whole are a waste of money and time becuase realisticle you cant produce the good amounts of bud in the time it takes to grow with the amount of lummens that the led gives off. with the right lummens in the right spot at the right amount of time on the riught plant i believe you can do it without a problem. i actualy was having a conversation with my boss at work about somehting like this. it was the difference between a tomato grown outside and 1 grown inside. he said its impossible for the indoor tomato to taste even half as good. i believe with the right nuts the right growth medium( ie soil or hydraton) and the right lights i can produce a beter tasting tomato. the point is to try and figure out how to make fruits and vegs not just seasonal but year round with the advance of indoor growing. just a thought but i do know if you can master this then i have no doubt of it becoming huge if i master indoor growth for vegs and fruit maybe i can use your light to market both il let ou know how my ex[eriment goes when i start it. may be a couple weeks cause im tight for money at the moment. anywho keep up the great work love to see some updates

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I like your way of thinking and my approach is one of evolution of plants over 4 billion years using the Sun. If you look outside of everyone else's approach you quickly realise that someone had a "good Idea" and everyone else followed. You see I still believe that the only reason that HID lighting is inneficient is the heat and if we can just improve on the amount of spectrum that is needed for producing yield and quality then we have cracked the problem. So no ! just the red and blue spectrums are good only for certain areas of a plant's life. Hps is NOT only 15% efficient, it's about 30 - 35% efficient. Get rid of the heat and enrich the spectum in certain areas of and HPS and then we'll see massive yields with minimum electricity used. A better procedure is to plot the fluence necessary to generate a constant response in photosynthesis; wavelengths that are less strongly absorbed require more light to give the same response as wavelengths that are more strongly absorbed (yes, red and blue). Plants that are green reflect green light but not all green light, they need green for quantum efficiency and thus more yield, just not the full amount that the Sun puts out. Plants have evolved alongside other living organisms on the planet and thus adapt. So in theory led's are only half way there at the moment but there are some companies that make leaps and bounds forward such as Philips, oh and me ! When I'm done I will be offering the best. Keep me updated on your progress as I love to have knowledge. Peace

so you have me more then excited for when you actualy build one of these led lights. i know you said that you where going to grow with it and test it out to prove that it works and everything. been awhile since i read from the beggingin, are you going to be putting your led against a 1000w hid? or are you gunna go like 400wled v 400w hid. the reason i ask is becuasse i would be more then willing to help you out with one half of this grow weather it be hid or the led that being me have paid for supplies and everything to get the led or i could use my 400w hid and start at the same time. i guess it would matter about strain and veg time aswell. i am growing god bud and have what i believe to be horrible veg lights lol. let me know cause i want to help people to understand just how revolutionary this may just turn out to be. i dont want credit or anything i just want the facts to be out there let me know botha