Yeah totally agree seaweed extract was to give a little boost to roots and foliage to an extent am sticking with my compost for feeding and will do a nettle tea and will start adding nettles comfrey to compost I must have at least 50 to 70 + worms working through compost which is good compost is black and doesn't clump together when you grab a hand full
Need some knowledge from a guru man
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Spinach is high in zn so will add this to compost or do a spinach nettle compost tea the tea doesn't have much shelf life so need to work out how much I require for each feed usually feed 3-5 days apart as to allow roots to search for water.
I wish you well and hope you find what you are looking for both here and in life. If they don't take your advice or they choose to listen to someone obviously wrong that's their choice and you fought to give that right to them. Thank you for your service. It means a lot.
Diesel0889
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This is what I'm talking about, this BAS mix is total B.S. They are just taking advantage of people here. They say that basalt brings all of the micronutrients. B.S. Sorry but I'm calling this product out @Diesel0889
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I caught Jeremy admitting that his soil mix is low in micronutrients, so this video/product should prove that their "mineral mix" is just a marketing scam to make people spend more money on more products. To be clear, his soil tests look nearly identical to mine which is always low in manganese and zinc. The video is under the pictures, it's a good video and he describes the EXACT problem that I have had for so many years. https://buildasoil.com/collections/minerals/products/buildasoil-big-6?variant=8779523719285
I know you use big 6 as do I. You also have your grow on lock. Anyone thinking what you described in this post will be in for a rude awakening after the first plant comes down. (Depending on grower skill). Imo big 6 or tm7 is a must even if used sparingly. If you dont need it on the first grow you will if you intend to continue useing the same soil etc.
We have chatted quite a bit and I value what you have to say. Ill have to agree with you here. If you dont have this problem now, eventually you will. Much faster in small container under 30 gallons. It took a minute in my beds but eventually I ran into it as well. Just not anymore!
Happy growing!
Growitpondifarm
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I ran into major micronutrient issues when I first started using my soil which was basic coots recipe essentially. It’s funny you say that you found micronutrient issues after reusing the soil because I’ve seen the opposite. I have less and less issues with micronutrients with each run it seems. I attribute this to the fact that these rock mineral sources take Major time to become available to the plant. I used to have to use iRonite in order to avoid major issues, haven’t used any iron supplement in two years. To circle back on how this relates to anyone starting with homemade soil is get ready to use a secondary mineral source initially and don’t freak if your plants run into issues first couple cycles. It almost sounds cliche in the pot world now but the soil does get better over time especially if you keep it watered between runs and continue to add a little fresh compost and a bit of dry amendments here and there
PadawanWarrior
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This is what I'm talking about, this BAS mix is total B.S. They are just taking advantage of people here. They say that basalt brings all of the micronutrients. B.S. Sorry but I'm calling this product out @Diesel0889
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I caught Jeremy admitting that his soil mix is low in micronutrients, so this video/product should prove that their "mineral mix" is just a marketing scam to make people spend more money on more products. To be clear, his soil tests look nearly identical to mine which is always low in manganese and zinc. The video is under the pictures, it's a good video and he describes the EXACT problem that I have had for so many years. https://buildasoil.com/collections/minerals/products/buildasoil-big-6?variant=8779523719285
I have the Big 6 now. How do you guys use it? Do you just top dress with it, or do you mix it first, thanks?
PadawanWarrior
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Awesome. Thanks. Ya, I added it to established plants and they weren't very happy with me, so I haven't used any in awhile. I'm gonna read that article in a minute. Thanks again.
PadawanWarrior
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I appreciate it man. And thank you for your service. My dad's a vet too. So was my grandpa.
PadawanWarrior
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My dad was in Vietnam. My grandpa was in WWII and Korea. I was the one to inherit my grandfathers medals since I was the first male to carry on the name. I have my dads Purple Heart too. He's actually in a documentary. You see him on the boat leaving to go over there. Then they follow along his company. It's pretty cool shit.My grandma did some genealogy and found out that my family has been in every war except for Vietnam and Desert Storm. My cousin went to Afghanistan and is now living under bridges smoking meth with bums. I don't know why I said that... He's 100% disabled, so that means that he makes about $3,500/mo in disability but he chooses to live under a fucking bridge down by the river. I wish that he had a van, that would make him cooler... I prefer deep woods to living under bridges myself
That would be awesome though to have the genealogy chart done. I know one of my relatives was working on it, I should find out if they finished it.
Diesel0889
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I use it VERY sparingly in my water and not every time. I never have this problem anymore obviously unless I become very lazy. But imo some trouble (sometimes) comes from improper water schedual in living soil. Now someone who has been at it for a bit wont do this but someone starting out (myself included a long time ago) will. Jmo and some people get it from the jump.
@MustangStudFarm I was referring to one who may not properly upkeep a living soil. Ammend when needed not at the site of a problem coming etc. I agree 100% MY soil has gotten MUCH better with time. It has also been kept well even when in the beds or in barrels etc. Happy soil=happy plants. Id call it like " supernatural " in a sense after a few runs maintained well. Of any soil I have built i feel coot got it right and kept it simple. The quality in my room has impressed me every time.
Popping fresh- inkognyto/needed water lol
These were testers in 15 gallon gr los pots. They were flowered much smaller than I normally would have them but the quality was on point. Only pulled 4-6oz per plant.
Here is giggity from inkognyto genetics
This one was a power house!
Happy growing!
Romeo7701
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So your saying your saying running 40 to 50% perlite will cause quicker evaporation from the mix and make you mix dry out quicker right, that's what I just read, thus meaning you have to feed and water more with fresh oxygenated water to correct the drying out quickly problem right... Hell that sounds like a win win to me maybe that's why I never use less than 40% to my mix... Guess it works...
7CardBud
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Your water demands will go up, your feed will not. So if your water twice as much your feed gets cut in half.
If you don't adjust you will run into issues.
By the looks of your pictures that's exactly what has happened. Nitrogen excess will cause dark clawed leaves and older fan leaves will start to get a leathery feel.
I'm having that exact same issue right now. I topdressed all my plants and tossed them in flower. The four Jedi Kush stretched out nice, but my two Poison Mimosa stayed kinda squat. They didn't go through that fast growth spurt and I wound up with nitrogen excess and the dark clawed leaves.
Good thing about topdress is you can fix a f@%# up pretty quickly. I scrapped all the compost off and flushed. After a week they are perking up a bit, but I definitely slowed them down and possibly hurt my yield.
I believe a soil test kit should be in every organic growers toolbox.
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Romeo7701
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I have several test kits that I use regulary I run 20/20/20 throughout my Veg then 2 weeks prior to flower I feed nothing but H2O then start 10/30/20 bloom and bud first week of flip. She lightens up before harvest...
Romeo7701
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Awesome looking girl's dude truly awesome job!!!
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Romeo7701
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Like I said I just change the fert mix when I stick then in flower this is what the mother looks like first week in flower, in your opinion would you go down a bit more on the N now or wait the last one came out in the end looking as light as the top leaves in this pic..???
Romeo7701
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Like I said I just change the fert mix when I stick then in flower this is what the mother looks like first week in flower, in your opinion would you go down a bit more on the N now or wait the last one came out in the end looking as light as the top leaves in this pic..???
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kratos015
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Used to when I started, Azomite has a little too much Fluoride in it for my liking. Kelp Meal, Basalt, and TM-7 takes care of all my needs.
Jeremy reminds me of The Rev, never liked their attitudes. They act like gods when they've merely plagiarized other's work. Coots, on the other hand, seems to be a bit more humble. Though he rants and raves against bro-science plenty.This is what I'm talking about, this BAS mix is total B.S. They are just taking advantage of people here. They say that basalt brings all of the micronutrients. B.S. Sorry but I'm calling this product out @Diesel0889
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I caught Jeremy admitting that his soil mix is low in micronutrients, so this video/product should prove that their "mineral mix" is just a marketing scam to make people spend more money on more products. To be clear, his soil tests look nearly identical to mine which is always low in manganese and zinc. The video is under the pictures, it's a good video and he describes the EXACT problem that I have had for so many years. https://buildasoil.com/collections/minerals/products/buildasoil-big-6?variant=8779523719285
Never knew people claimed Basalt contains all micros, that's absurd lol. Pretty much just Sulfur as far as I recall, and I have a bit of a hard-on for Sulfur in my soil because of how much better it makes the quality of anything I grow in it. Smell and taste were noticeably different since switching to solely Basalt for my mineral input.
TM-7 was recommended to me years ago and I love the stuff. It and Kelp seem to do just fine. I can practically count the inputs in my soil on one hand, part of what I've had against BAS. They, like many other people, advocate using WAY too many inputs. Less is more.
How can one possibly troubleshoot your soil if it has an entire laundry list full of shit in it? Similar to building/repairing computers for me. You do one thing at a time, this way when you correct your issue you can correctly diagnose what the issue was. If you fix multiple things at once, how can you know what fixed the issue?
I remember that, we'd talk a lot prior to you getting into the soil testing. I never got the vibe that you were rough around the edges. The ones that lash out do so due to their own ignorance and self-consciousness.
If I recall, what inspired you to first test your soil was issues with K if I'm not mistaken?
People act like that because many people get butthurt when they're told they are wrong. What's more, most people on here such as myself are intermediate at best. Feels like forever since we last talked, took a hiatus from RIU/growing for a minute. All the testing and troubleshooting soil provided you with insight and experience that no one else on here is really qualified to rebuke. Consider how the majority of the real experts/gurus have left this site years ago.
I've never claimed to be anything special, I do have years worth of experience doing this and know how difficult it can be finding solid information through all of the fluff and BS. I also remember being an amateur, completely lost with many people being unwilling (unable, more like) to help.
I'm happy to share what little knowledge I have because I know what its like to be new and inexperienced, lost in an ocean of elitism and ignorance.
Humility is the antithesis to pride/arrogance, and is the true key to success.
Guess I'm just a little bummed some of the douchebags on here got to you is all. Plenty of people here aren't assholes and would very much enjoy your advice and perspective, myself included. You have loads of knowledge and personal experience to share. Remembering where I came from will always be what motivates me to help others. It took years worth of reading and research (not including personal experience and learning things the hard way), but the info was all free.
Why I try to do the same with what little I know. I try to give as freely as it was given to me. I hope you can find the patience to tap back into that same mindset I remember you once having.
Wish you nothing but the best MustangMan!
PadawanWarrior
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Thanks kratos. Do you top dress established plants with the TM7?Used to when I started, Azomite has a little too much Fluoride in it for my liking. Kelp Meal, Basalt, and TM-7 takes care of all my needs.
Jeremy reminds me of The Rev, never liked their attitudes. They act like gods when they've merely plagiarized other's work. Coots, on the other hand, seems to be a bit more humble. Though he rants and raves against bro-science plenty.
Never knew people claimed Basalt contains all micros, that's absurd lol. Pretty much just Sulfur as far as I recall, and I have a bit of a hard-on for Sulfur in my soil because of how much better it makes the quality of anything I grow in it. Smell and taste were noticeably different since switching to solely Basalt for my mineral input.
TM-7 was recommended to me years ago and I love the stuff. It and Kelp seem to do just fine. I can practically count the inputs in my soil on one hand, part of what I've had against BAS. They, like many other people, advocate using WAY too many inputs. Less is more.
How can one possibly troubleshoot your soil if it has an entire laundry list full of shit in it? Similar to building/repairing computers for me. You do one thing at a time, this way when you correct your issue you can correctly diagnose what the issue was. If you fix multiple things at once, how can you know what fixed the issue?
I remember that, we'd talk a lot prior to you getting into the soil testing. I never got the vibe that you were rough around the edges. The ones that lash out do so due to their own ignorance and self-consciousness.
If I recall, what inspired you to first test your soil was issues with K if I'm not mistaken?
People act like that because many people get butthurt when they're told they are wrong. What's more, most people on here such as myself are intermediate at best. Feels like forever since we last talked, took a hiatus from RIU/growing for a minute. All the testing and troubleshooting soil provided you with insight and experience that no one else on here is really qualified to rebuke. Consider how the majority of the real experts/gurus have left this site years ago.
I've never claimed to be anything special, I do have years worth of experience doing this and know how difficult it can be finding solid information through all of the fluff and BS. I also remember being an amateur, completely lost with many people being unwilling (unable, more like) to help.
I'm happy to share what little knowledge I have because I know what its like to be new and inexperienced, lost in an ocean of elitism and ignorance.
Humility is the antithesis to pride/arrogance, and is the true key to success.
Guess I'm just a little bummed some of the douchebags on here got to you is all. Plenty of people here aren't assholes and would very much enjoy your advice and perspective, myself included. You have loads of knowledge and personal experience to share. Remembering where I came from will always be what motivates me to help others. It took years worth of reading and research (not including personal experience and learning things the hard way), but the info was all free.
Why I try to do the same with what little I know. I try to give as freely as it was given to me. I hope you can find the patience to tap back into that same mindset I remember you once having.
Wish you nothing but the best MustangMan!
MustangStudFarm
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Damn, you remember!!! Thinking that it was K was a total newb mistake. I got my first soil test from Logan Labs and it was very difficult to read the test, so I sent it to some garden lady for a recommendation and she helped me shit the bed(Bad advice). The real problem was that my phosphorus was 15x too high and it was locking out micros like iron.
GreaseMonkeyMann is the one that took me under his wing. Phattabe, DonTesla, Hyroot, and a few others are badly missed!!!
Nothing was given to me. I am 100% self taught and the minute that someone like Hyroot led me in the right direction, they would disappear from the website. I had Wetdog and Wakatoo ridiculing me for soil testing during my darkest hour and I was ready to give up. GreaseMonkeyMann insisted that soil testing was bogus and he stopped talking to me shortly after I started testing. Now, I got people like @NewGrower2011 that will only take half of my advice and ignore me like I'm a doof.
I'm trying to go commercial now. I made a few posts about my worm farm and all of a sudden, my produce sources dried up. I don't know if it's a coincidence or if I really shot myself in the foot. It just seems like when I help people, it does the opposite of helping me. I'm 100% disabled and NOBODY helps me out of the goodness of their heart. I gotta take my disabled ass out and do manual labor to get ahead. It just seems like when it's time for someone to help me, there is nobody around. Then, I get ridiculed for withholding. I suppose that I could just drop myself from this website like the others have done. Even after I help people, they usually give me the cold shoulder afterwards. It's a big reason why I don't feel like this is a real community. Everyone is just out for themselves. I'm trying to make a living at this. How many other occupations give out their trade secrets(to people that don't even fucking like him). It would be different if someone was actually happy to see me around here. Instead, I get guilt trips. Why doesn't anyone else read a fucking book? My favorite author right now is Dr Steven Solomon and the subject is soil remineralization. I just don't think that people are motivated enough to do work themselves and they want to be spoon fed. "What's wrong with my plant, will you come and fix it for me while I just watch".
I started growing in Oklahoma back in 2011 and I was looking at a life sentence for growing pot in my garage and I grew that way for about 8yrs. I kept asking my friends to get in on it and help my disabled ass, but they were too scared or something. Now, the same friends(if you want to call them that) want me to be their personal coach and work for free. It's just a recurring cycle to where people treat me like a dick and expect that I give my time and knowledge for free.
@NewGrower2011 I would have talked you through your problem, but you don't even talk to me anymore. The test results you got are very similar to the tests that I've had in the past and you are making the same mistake that I did. I just don't feel like I should give out game changing info to someone who doesn't respect me. You did right by getting the Soil Savvy test, but you didn't look at the ENTIRE test, only the N-P-K. You need to look at the micronutrients my man. I know that you have seen me post about manganese multiple times, but maybe you don't understand how important it is(Wetdog and Wakatoo sure didn't). Cannabis is manganese sensitive(according to Dr. Steve Solomon), meaning that a Mn def is detrimental and you will have crop failure(30% or less harvest). Zinc is the 2nd problem. It's hard to find a source of Mn and Zn. If you are ready to listen, we can do this. You gotta stop giving me the cold shoulder too.
Sorry @Diesel0889 I have this problem of talking too much when I first meet someone, but I feel like I chased you off too. I'm just a crazy guy living in the woods, but I'm harmless. I know that I was talking too much, but I still think that it would be a very good idea to get a Soil Savvy test done. It's only $30, but I feel bad for telling to spend money. It's totally worth it though and all of the professionals will suggest that you do it. I'm not connected to the company in any way, I just feel that the Mehlich 3/Saturated Paste test is outdated and over priced($100 for both). The Soil Savvy test will show you what is being locked out and I can promise you that you will be low in manganese, especially if you are just using that BAS rock dust kit. I just looked a previous post and it looks like you are using Big 6. I wrote an entire post about this specific problem. Who knows, maybe you found a perfect amount to add but I don't add it to living plants anymore. I was talking about chelates and how everybody says to "Chelate your micronutrients" but nobody ever talks about chelating manganese specifically. I have this article that says that adding chelated manganese might actually increase the deficiency. If that statement is true, then Big 6 is a failed product. You don't want to add Big 6 to a Mn def plant's soil because you will increase the iron availability, which in return will lower the Mn availability because they are antagonistic towards each other. Maybe you guys just got lucky with TM-7/Big 6 and had more success than I did with the products, but I never successfully added it to living plants to fix a Mn def problem. It would only increase the problem. It took me about two years of wrestling with this problem to figure out what was happening. I read books and never had this specific problem explained and I felt like giving up during that 2yr span, so this info is dear to me. Look at the 2nd page where it is talking about adding chelated Mn to fix a Mn def, it was a mind blower for me!
@Diesel0889 If you get a Soil Savvy test and you don't have micronutrient problems, I will give you $30, bow down and slob your knob, say that you're the greatest on RIU, and start asking you how you got your phosphorus within the normal range while being able to keep your micronutrients in balance. I mean, I got close myself, but I still haven't figured it out 100%. I would appreciate if you did get a soil test so that you can be on the same page as me and @NewGrower2011
@NewGrower2011 I'm sorry about my above statement and I hope that we can work together. I want to come on this forum and feel like a community. I know that I'm not a very warm person, but I would like to be. I go to VA counseling for anger management and I know that I'm gruff at times, but I'm a combat veteran that caught IED's during my deployment. I'm not disfigured or mangled, but I was a gunner on a humvee and I was knocked unconscious by a bomb and have been diagnosed with Traumatic Brain Injury(TBI). I blame my attitude on this.