Need some help from the opiate folks

Ok, so I got some of those dilaudid - liked them, maybe too much - wound up taking 8 mg over the course of a day nasal. Fine, so I blew them up and now all one will do is send me into a nod. I won't take a second on the same day. Then I inherited some of that opana - 10 mg. The process is hit and miss so sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't - I won't take more than one of those a day (one or the other, havn't tried mixing them- now the ones I have left are nagging me from my stash - a lot. There is no point in taking them as I know they won't afford me much in the way of fun. I can up the dosage but...... that goes against everyting that has enabled me to dabble in opiates for as long as I have. Seems that I am on the verge of a problem but I have to know for sure so I am on another diet but I am curious to know what I have done to myself without experimenting to find out.

So where am I in tolerance land? I know that might be a tough problem but I figure 20 mg hydro won't do a thing. I took a few days off and tried 1 mg of dilaudid and I feel it, not much but I do. No real withdrawals - just craving and that and that same depression.



What is 8 mg dilaudid or 10 mg of opana the equivelent of?

do 50 mg dilaudid....please

Kite High said:

do 50 mg dilaudid....please

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NOT going to happen. 56 mg is all i have left and I'll be damn if I am going to put myself into a single big nod and maybe throw up for a while and wake up without any left - it is highly unlikely that i will ever get any more.

then enjoy your misery

Canndo,unless you're getting sick,u don't have a problem..if you can't get anymore,u don't ..have a problem..so what's the problem..? 1st time I did an opiate at all I did half a yellow k injected...it was like a dream...I was 16..suppose that was the beginning of an all around addiction for about 1w0 years..drugs drugs drugs! Well I'm over it and not preaching at all..my reccomendation is either take a heavy dose now or waits impatiently for a couple weeks for your tolerance to go away,and your seratonin and dopamine to replenish..so you can ruin it again in comfortable bliss! Lol..just be safe!

rory420420 said:

Canndo,unless you're getting sick,u don't have a problem..if you can't get anymore,u don't ..have a problem..so what's the problem..? 1st time I did an opiate at all I did half a yellow k injected...it was like a dream...I was 16..suppose that was the beginning of an all around addiction for about 1w0 years..drugs drugs drugs! Well I'm over it and not preaching at all..my reccomendation is either take a heavy dose now or waits impatiently for a couple weeks for your tolerance to go away,and your seratonin and dopamine to replenish..so you can ruin it again in comfortable bliss! Lol..just be safe!

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Thanks... I think. I just want to know how close I am - I never had any of the upper range opiates and they don't work in the same liniear fashion that hydro does

Kite High said:

http://jat.oxfordjournals.org/content/30/3/202.full.pdf

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21 ng/ml - I won't do the numbers but it doesn't seem I would be approaching that with insuffulation of 8 mg in a 230 lb male.

Actually given 7 liters of blood I am way above that - bioavailabilty at 60 percent - there must be some sequestration in other organs and perhaps rapid initial metabolic decay - no, I don't think I can figure that out right now.

canndo said:

Actually given 7 liters of blood I am way above that - bioavailabilty at 60 percent - there must be some sequestration in other organs and perhaps rapid initial metabolic decay - no, I don't think I can figure that out right now.

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I thought bioavailibility was like 100% snorted opana or are we talking dilaudid? I know I could get high prolly 10 times on an opana 40. Never eat opanas only snort it.

Gonenowhere said:

I thought bioavailibility was like 100% snorted opana or are we talking dilaudid? I know I could get high prolly 10 times on an opana 40. Never eat opanas only snort it.

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Snorting it is somewhat hit or miss - as they have that timerex matrix and it is different than others - works, but not nearly as well as it could. No, I don't eat them - i only got 10's and they last me pretty much all day. for that reason I don't think the total availability is all that high.

Had a tough night but the cravings are fading and I don't feel sick after two days, I figure I havn't pushed it more than a mild flu like withdrawal far easier than my poppy bout where I wound up eating them every other day for months but I never had many more than about two of the gigantemums in a day. I just dabble, I like all this stuff far too much and I enjoy the subtle differences between the chemical structures.

If you mess with the shit as often as you say, you're not dabbling. In fact you might have a "subclinical addiction," meaning you wouldn't pass the "Narcan challenge" if you wanted to get on naltrexone. I was trying to quit the black tar and had a doc that wrote me a script for naltrexone. I thought I didn't have any opiates in my system because I hadn't used in a couple days. Boy was I wrong. I took one pill and five minutes later I was in full withdrawal. Next 36 hours were so freakin' bad you wouldn't believe it if I told you. On top of that, junkie bitch living with me plugged up my toilet that same freakin' day with one of her giant junkie turds, so here I was with diarrhea and vomiting and no toilet, just my damn back yard in the middle of winter. That kind of grief is only funny in "Trainspotting."

ltecato said:

If you mess with the shit as often as you say, you're not dabbling. In fact you might have a "subclinical addiction," meaning you wouldn't pass the "Narcan challenge" if you wanted to get on naltrexone. I was trying to quit the black tar and had a doc that wrote me a script for naltrexone. I thought I didn't have any opiates in my system because I hadn't used in a couple days. Boy was I wrong. I took one pill and five minutes later I was in full withdrawal. Next 36 hours were so freakin' bad you wouldn't believe it if I told you. On top of that, junkie bitch living with me plugged up my toilet that same freakin' day with one of her giant junkie turds, so here I was with diarrhea and vomiting and no toilet, just my damn back yard in the middle of winter. That kind of grief is only funny in "Trainspotting."

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See - that is what I am beginnig to suspect - my use has gotten to an every three day sort of thing, hardly enough time to let EVERYTHING exit my system. Now quantity of use is what everyone would be considered very low - 20 to 30 mg hydro or 6 mg hydromorphone or 5 oxymorphone so it isn't some huge intake but that doesn't preclude addiction - simply one that isn't that painful to bail out of (physiologicaly) - psychologicaly is a different matter. I have always known that no one is immune to this stuff - frankly the prospect of going the rest of my life without ever having the opportunity to have another opiate is distasteful (then again, tell me I can never have another cigar and I will go into a world of hurt - some, admittedly caused by my very minor nicotine jones but certainly not all). I've been sucessful with my intake of opiates for well over 20 years - in that I always had a few in a stash and trotted them out for myself and perhaps a few friends on a special occasion perrhaps going as long as 3 or 4 months between indulgences. Now, I won't go more than two weeksa and at times I find myself resenting giving an equal share to my wife. This all began after I aquired a rather large (to me) supply of oxycontin 40's. I figured I was set for YEARS on the 40 count I had in the jar. They lasted a scant 6 months - by all rights I should have a nice cluster of them in my stash and I dont.

I am told that there comes a point where a simple detox and a rest period won't make a difference, that I will have grown extra redeptors that take years to atrophy - I can deal with that but I was also told that if one goes through any sort of genuine withdrawal (not the flu for a day, that sinking depressing feeling, a runny nose and a bit of the runs), that it withdrawalswill faithfuly return in incrementaly shorter amounts of time. Where I could go a weekend - 2 hydros a day and wake up ready for work on tuesday without regret, I might have to endure a sleepless restless night as a result after these few days.


I like them a lot and would really rather not swear them off forever as I have little in the way of replacement and I dearly love altered states of conciousness but the returns are diminishing and there may come a time when it really isn't worth it. I don't have the same afinity as most here do for pot - it is rarely enjoyable to me and incapacitates me even in small amounts.

Sobriety is a wonderful thing, I enjoy it, I appreciate it but rarely do I enjoy it as much as when I know I have an option.

If you like opiates, you'd better walk away before you end up like me. I totally ruined my brain for opiates, until they almost made me spastic and the itching was just so bad it was an embarrassment. You've probably had about as much fun with the shit as nature will allow. I don't mean to lecture, but you ought to know you'll never catch that dragon.

ltecato said:

If you like opiates, you'd better walk away before you end up like me. I totally ruined my brain for opiates, until they almost made me spastic and the itching was just so bad it was an embarrassment. You've probably had about as much fun with the shit as nature will allow. I don't mean to lecture, but you ought to know you'll never catch that dragon.

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If I have to give it up I will, but reluctantly, it was a fun go round, but we will see - I know we all hope we can just enjoy the occasional bout with this or that and I know that I am not stronger than the drug, I know that I treat it with respect and I take every precaution I can muster but smart as I am....... well, you know.


We shall see. I beat cocaine, I am a sucess with nicotine, I beat amphetamines (the amphetamines however - got the best of me and I was forced to quit them completely forever), I can manage the nicotine which I consider one of the most addictive substances there are - smoking only cigars and never inhaling - it isn't perfectly safe but it isn't THAT bad.