Need serious help,indoor 600w auto grow,all dying,help much appreciated

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Bluemax

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Ok,so,ive got 4 auto aks,1 roadrunner,3 easyryders in a 120x120x200cm tent,under a 600w hps cooltube.

the roadrunner is fine,doesnt seem to be anything wrong with it and proper buds are already starting

but the aks and the easyryders are yellow and dead like in places and smaller budsite leaves are droopy and just dont look good,1 ak is a midget,1 has a mutant side shoot thats same thickness as the main stalk,1 looks yellow/droopy on small leaves and weirdly stretched towards the top,easyryders are much greener but have started to yellow up,came down after a night and the first set of 3 leaf leaves on 1 side has gone really dry like and curled inwards,also very yellow spotty(help!!!!!!)

i cant figure out whats wrong,like i say,the roadunner is fine,,all others dont look well

i have them all in 11ltr pots in plagron royalty mix soil,i know its bit strong and they seemed to be ok,but now they seem worse for wear,and i dont get it if the roadunners fine

30 percent average humidity,drops to 18 sometimes and up to 45 possibly,generally its 30,temps range from 60f bottom to 77 abouts tops,general is 70f

watered twice a day,not overly in my opinion,maybe ive been overwatering??i really dont know,im gonna get some pics real shortly like i say,hope someone can help me out,

gonna go get some pics now,so,hopefully...

need some serious help guys,im going to get some pictures now,hopefully theyll be ok for you to see whats going on,its hurting me real bad,first time indoor as my last lot was stolen outside(auto ak)

any help is much appreciated,+rep of course,if someone tells me how to!

theres the pics like i promised,not the best but you can certainly see whats going on,help someone!
 

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rural hick

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looks like nute burn and/or heat stress.
have you foliage sprayed under lights?
me thinks i would flush now though..
 
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Bluemax

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definately not heat stress,no way,have cooltube and felt temps,sure it isnt that

they could def be being nute burned as i said,from the soil,i cant flush them without putting tons of water through the pot

i just dont get it,auto ak's in same soil outside grew ok,so im thinking theres another bad problem

i have sprayed once or twice,good idea to spray the leaves with water inside then?
 
luvvin growin

luvvin growin

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looks like some nute burn,could have some hot spots of nutes in the soil,and I would only foliar spray them with water,as the autos dont like alot of nutes to begin with.Most of it looks to be from the foliar feeding though.
 
Heady Hitter

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Bluemax said:
definately not heat stress,no way,have cooltube and felt temps,sure it isnt that

they could def be being nute burned as i said,from the soil,i cant flush them without putting tons of water through the pot

i just dont get it,auto ak's in same soil outside grew ok,so im thinking theres another bad problem

i have sprayed once or twice,good idea to spray the leaves with water inside then?
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Have you checked Ph maybe its nutrient lockout from bad ph FLUSH with distilled water from store. Put pots in bath tub and water them with 3x the pot size....then wait atleast a week before giving any nutes. my 2cents..good luck bro
 
luvvin growin

luvvin growin

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Heady Hitter said:
Have you checked Ph maybe its nutrient lockout from bad ph FLUSH with distilled water from store. Put pots in bath tub and water them with 3x the pot size....then wait atleast a week before giving any nutes. my 2cents..good luck bro
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a good idea,complete with instructions...:eyesmoke:
 
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Bluemax

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i dont foliar feed at all,yeh like i said,soil has veg+flower feed,reckon you can do whole thing straight to finish with good results,so all nutes are in soil for these autos

i know its a bit strong for them,i dont have a PH meter unfortunately,as i use rain water,never thought i would need it

like i said,auto ak's outdoors were nothing like this,same soil

ill have to get a ph probe rather sharpish and see whats going on with that end of things
 
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Bluemax

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they still look like they getting worse,ive turned the circulating fan off for one,too see if that does anything

i have sprayed water on them once or twice with the light on,not a good idea then??could that be the cause?

think i also sprayed spray safe with the lights on too once,also,not a good idea im guessing?

because i wasnt that hot i didnt think it would matter
 
jimisimmortal

jimisimmortal

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when i seen you use rainwater i thought w.t.f? i thought that wouldve been from chlorine water,but your hps can definately burn your leaves when you spray water when the lights on even with a cool tube especially with the cooltube cos you can have it so much closer,those droplets of water double as magnifying glasses to the spot under the droplets thats why it spotty lookin,dont panic it'll be fine if you dont do it again,you will be able to tell it was the light+drops when it dont get anymore spots
 
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Bluemax

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i hope,i did have to use tap water for a watering or two,but i boiled it first so i thought itd be ok just for a water or two,but they on rain water again

i think i was overwatering them to be honest
 
Stoney McFried

Stoney McFried

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I'm gonna say mg def.Looks a lot like mine did when she had it, and it rapidly gets worse.Get yourself some Epsom salts,and put 1 teaspoon into a gallon of water and water the plants. Get yourself a ph meter.I used rainwater as well a couple of times, but checked it each time, and one day it was at a ph of 7, the next time it was at a ph of around 4!The quality of the water really depends on your proximity to factories,and to the level of pollutants in the atmosphere on any given day.So your ph could vary wildly when you're using rainwater.I used distilled water from the store, and even then I always ph tested it before I used it once I corrected the mg problem.Good luck.
Bluemax said:
Ok,so,ive got 4 auto aks,1 roadrunner,3 easyryders in a 120x120x200cm tent,under a 600w hps cooltube.

the roadrunner is fine,doesnt seem to be anything wrong with it and proper buds are already starting

but the aks and the easyryders are yellow and dead like in places and smaller budsite leaves are droopy and just dont look good,1 ak is a midget,1 has a mutant side shoot thats same thickness as the main stalk,1 looks yellow/droopy on small leaves and weirdly stretched towards the top,easyryders are much greener but have started to yellow up,came down after a night and the first set of 3 leaf leaves on 1 side has gone really dry like and curled inwards,also very yellow spotty(help!!!!!!)

i cant figure out whats wrong,like i say,the roadunner is fine,,all others dont look well

i have them all in 11ltr pots in plagron royalty mix soil,i know its bit strong and they seemed to be ok,but now they seem worse for wear,and i dont get it if the roadunners fine

30 percent average humidity,drops to 18 sometimes and up to 45 possibly,generally its 30,temps range from 60f bottom to 77 abouts tops,general is 70f

watered twice a day,not overly in my opinion,maybe ive been overwatering??i really dont know,im gonna get some pics real shortly like i say,hope someone can help me out,

gonna go get some pics now,so,hopefully...

need some serious help guys,im going to get some pictures now,hopefully theyll be ok for you to see whats going on,its hurting me real bad,first time indoor as my last lot was stolen outside(auto ak)

any help is much appreciated,+rep of course,if someone tells me how to!

theres the pics like i promised,not the best but you can certainly see whats going on,help someone!
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Bluemax

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it appears that it wasnt the problem,i dropped the lighting regime 2 hours,watered less and removed fan from direct blowing(found out that was a serious no no)

and look at em now hehe,the one in the middle is an ak auto,gone super midget no leaf lots of bud on me lol

i would have thought my soil had alot of trace minerals in it,its expensive stuff this plagron,says you can do it all the way through without adding anything with good results,not the best ovbiously,but i always add some organic bloom feed near the end as i am now

the roadrunners started to devour ALL of her fan leaves,so its only a week or less till she gets the snip
 

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Stoney McFried

Stoney McFried

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Looking good!What's your light schedule now?You gotta be careful with that.
Bluemax said:
it appears that it wasnt the problem,i dropped the lighting regime 2 hours,watered less and removed fan from direct blowing(found out that was a serious no no)

and look at em now hehe,the one in the middle is an ak auto,gone super midget no leaf lots of bud on me lol

i would have thought my soil had alot of trace minerals in it,its expensive stuff this plagron,says you can do it all the way through without adding anything with good results,not the best ovbiously,but i always add some organic bloom feed near the end as i am now

the roadrunners started to devour ALL of her fan leaves,so its only a week or less till she gets the snip
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tartoodle

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Stoney McFried said:
I'm gonna say mg def.Looks a lot like mine did when she had it, and it rapidly gets worse.Get yourself some Epsom salts,and put 1 teaspoon into a gallon of water and water the plants. Get yourself a ph meter.I used rainwater as well a couple of times, but checked it each time, and one day it was at a ph of 7, the next time it was at a ph of around 4!The quality of the water really depends on your proximity to factories,and to the level of pollutants in the atmosphere on any given day.So your ph could vary wildly when you're using rainwater.I used distilled water from the store, and even then I always ph tested it before I used it once I corrected the mg problem.Good luck.
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You also could have enough minerals in the soil but it might be locked out. That happened to me once. It was becuase i used baking soda to balance the pH. I flushed, thoroughly (2 gallon pot: 6 gallons water). the recovered beautifully. I used a pH leveler from hydroponics store.
 
Stoney McFried

Stoney McFried

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Yup, a good rule of thumb is: Flush first, then wait.:bigjoint:
tartoodle said:
You also could have enough minerals in the soil but it might be locked out. That happened to me once. It was becuase i used baking soda to balance the pH. I flushed, thoroughly (2 gallon pot: 6 gallons water). the recovered beautifully. I used a pH leveler from hydroponics store.
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