need help picking strains plz

im growin in a closet that has a angled roof so one wall is 77in high and the other 55in high its also 33in wide and about 55in deep

im gunna be using a 600watt cool tube hid with a 6in inline fan so im sure i can get it pretty close to the plants so i was thinking 50in would be the tallest plants i could grow

so are there any good strains for that hight i am a noob grower so id need a tuff plant with decent yeild plz

U cld go w.nordle which is afghan/skunk #1 or shit which is skunk #1, both from mr.nice. Good price n it shldnt get much easier than them to grow. N both shld yield well for u n have short bloom time (7-9wks). I've nvr grown either personally but I've grown skunk #1 hybrids n it dnt get much easier than that

if you put emphisis on training you can grow anything you want

whitefrost said:

if you put emphisis on training you can grow anything you want

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He's a new grower so should gain experience before trying to go with advanced techniques personally.

What you could do though, to save space is just run 12/12 from seed

hsfkush said:

He's a new grower so should gain experience before trying to go with advanced techniques personally.

What you could do though, to save space is just run 12/12 from seed

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You have to be kidding. LST is rocket science? Grow what strains you want and LST them. You can write and read English, you're good to go. If this is beyond your comprehension level then stick to buying off the street.

I think he meant that as a new grower his focus shld be on keepin the girls happy n healthy rather than training them, regardless of the simplicity of doin it.

keeping his plants happy would include keeping the top out of the light i dont see how tying down some branches would take away from his ablity to keep his plants healthy or detract from experience gained wish i had tried lsting when i started out i think people are suprised when they veg a plant and let it grow two feet thinking "it looks small" only to learn in a few weeks of flower they have to do something about the 6 foot monster thats burnt up and asking in threads what they can do about it lst just enusres whatever plant he grows will fit

Id say throw some cheap seeds in for the first grow as you will learn a lot from it. Most give seeds with purchase. Anything but a dom. sativa strain to start after the first bag seed grow. Id also try 2 seedbanks like maybe Mr. Nice Black widow...the original White widow. Then an OG strain and there are many but Cali Connection has several. That will update you on classic strains. Tie em down with string when needed.

Thats true white frost, I suppose I was just lookin at it like the simpler u make it, the less u can do to send things in the wrong direction. n afghan/skunk strains stay nice n short n grow very easy n still give u quality yields w.a very easy grow

strangely enough the shortest ive ever done is my current grow lsd tied the shit out of her expecting this thing to bolt on me grew to 8 nodes tied flat with side branches sprawed rib cage style flowered at 5in (plant its self about 2.5 ft but laying down) she only stretched 6ins but filled in nicely 20 top or so now i have a 3ft sq plant thats a foot tall go figure mazar pheno for sure

without bombarding you with various techniques (that are somewhat advances for new growers) it would be easiest to grow a mostly indica (or even a pure indica)l.

theres lots of good indicas to be had that dont get very tall.

avoid anything sativa dominant. a 50/50 hybrid may be risky. the 600w DOES get hot so you have to account for the space you lose because of the height of your pots and the headroom the 600w needs so it doesnt burn the tops of your plants...

easiest way to tell if the 600w is too close? put your hand on the tallest part of the plant under the light....hold it there for about 60 sec...if ur hand starts to feel hot...its too close. be careful. if you burn your cola its not gonna come back. lol

ive burnt a top or two in my beginner days..




now...if you want the freedom to grow anything you like then my advice would be to go with SCROG/SOG...supercrop...LST.

if you're a real beginner it looks like i just smoke to you in another language but dont let the names fool you. most of those techniques are relatively simple to learn.

SCROG: scrog stands for SCReenOfGreen. what that basically would involve is using something...like a netting or even a small pet cage (the metal type ones w/ bars all over them) to train your plant on. many make simple ones using pvc pipe or wood to make a large frame (usually the size of the space their light covers) and as the plant grows in vegetative state it is "weaved" over and under the netting or bars until about 80% of all the space is filled then the lighting is adjusted to 12/12 to flower and what you're left with is a whole lotta plant in a small space.

its often used to maximize yield.

only issues you'll have is watering since in a scrog you cant move the plants...so you have to find a way to water it and catch all the water and dispose of it. some put their plants on top of the ground with buckets underneath for the water to fall in...some use other methods (like hydro)

SOG stands for SeaOfGreen.

its the same concept as SCROG except instead of vegging a plant for a long period under a net (to keep height in check and maximize the use of the light) a plant is vegged...chop'd down into several clones and rooted. once the clones are rooted they are planted in small pots and put together as close as possible under the light and then switched over to 12/12 to induce flowering. what you're left with is SEVERAL small plants that grow into being mainly plants that are all main cola and little to no side branching.

it requires an extra step (cloning) but its easier to water and maintain (if you're a soil grower).if you had a hydro system then scrog is definitely for you over SOG.

both SCROG and SOG are two different ways of accomplishing the same thing. most yield in the smallest space.

what it also does is allow you to grow sativa dom plants without running out of room.



LST is similar to scrog in the sense you are tying the plant down keep height in check/an even canopy. LST is simple. in veg as the plant begins to grow you tie it down (via string or yarn etc) to the pot...as the top grows you start tying it in a circle like pattern around the pot. flip to 12/12 and let it grow.

theres more to it than that but those are the basics of LST...its like SCROG just w/o the screen.

thank you for the help i really appreciate it iv been reading up on scrog i have the supplies to do it i just wanna get my watering, feeding, and light height and stuff down first. im gunna do what one of the replys said and thats start with a small grow i got some seeds from friends over time and will try a grow from there im gunna let them get about 15in in veg then flower so hopefully they only get about 50 in max

sog interested me to i just dont know how to clone nor do i have the lil machine to do it with

closetatticgrower said:

thank you for the help i really appreciate it iv been reading up on scrog i have the supplies to do it i just wanna get my watering, feeding, and light height and stuff down first. im gunna do what one of the replys said and thats start with a small grow i got some seeds from friends over time and will try a grow from there im gunna let them get about 15in in veg then flower so hopefully they only get about 50 in max

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so you're gonna start with bagseed? if so be careful on how long u veg them. some plants triple in size or more in flower. if you're growing with bagseed there is no tellin wat it'll develop into once you hit 12/12. if it were me i'd flower once they are 8-12inches.

remember most hps lights dont penetrate deep enough into the canopy so if you grow a big plant you'll have big buds on top and fluffy crap on the bottom. hence the sog/scrog methods designed to eliminate most of that and make the most use of your space/light

closetatticgrower said:

sog interested me to i just dont know how to clone nor do i have the lil machine to do it with

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cloning can be done "on the cheap". you dont need a machine. you COULD use one. but its not needed.

i just got my very first clone setup. all i bought was a cloning tray and dome...rockwool cubes and cloning solution. the tray and dome were about $5 total the cubes were cheap (came in a 45 or 50 pack) the solution is most expensive with most hovering around the $20 range.

i bought all the supplies at htgsupply (.com)

a cloning machine will work too but they are more expensive.



a good way to test out the waters for cheap. whats better is your clone box will be satisfied with a minimal investment in lights. either a 2ft t5 bulb or a cfl or two.


you can experiment with cloning by simply taking a cutting off a plant in veg...dipping it in the cloning solution...putting it in the rockwool cube...placing it in the dome and keeping the humidity at 100% and the temps 75-80. keeping it humid in there isnt hard with a few squirts from a waterbottle or placing small amounts of water in the cracks of the trays.

once you see roots coming out of the bottom of the rockwool cube its ready for transplant into soil (rockwool cube & all).

all clones are as old as the plants you took the clone from...so if you veg a plant for 30 days and take a clone...the clone is just as old.

the benefit to this in SOG is you can take a clone (6 inches tall for example) and once it roots you can put it in soil and switch to 12/12 and it will flower immediately. if you try 12/12 from seed the plant wont begin to produce pistils for about 2 wks since from seed a plant isnt mature enough right away to produce flowers...by using clones you can flower short plants. when you flower the plants at such a short height it will mainly produce just a main cola with maybe 1 or 2 side branches.

by doing that you can pack the plants in to where all the pots are touching each other and you should have minimal interference from neighboring plants. this way your canopy stays short and its full of main colas so your yield per sq ft will jump dramatically.



im currently in the process of doing a similar grow.

i have a 150w hps for flowering (separate room than my vegging plants) in which i intend to do a SOG grow.
i have a 2ft 4 bulb t5 system for vegging. with it i intend to veg a plant in a 3 gal container for about 6wks. then i will take cutting and root those clones in my clone box. during the time the cuttings are in the clone box they will occupy the 2ft 4bulb t5 while another seed is being germinated to take the place of it once the clones are rooted and ready for flower.

thats how my system is working. its my first go around with this new setup so ill see how it goes but i have tons of experience flowering with 2 600s.

closetatticgrower said:

thank you for the help i really appreciate it iv been reading up on scrog i have the supplies to do it i just wanna get my watering, feeding, and light height and stuff down first. im gunna do what one of the replys said and thats start with a small grow i got some seeds from friends over time and will try a grow from there im gunna let them get about 15in in veg then flower so hopefully they only get about 50 in max

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dont forget to account for the thickness of the light and whatever you will be growing in aswell as the space needed between the light and tops

themanwiththeplan said:

so you're gonna start with bagseed? if so be careful on how long u veg them. some plants triple in size or more in flower. if you're growing with bagseed there is no tellin wat it'll develop into once you hit 12/12. if it were me i'd flower once they are 8-12inches.

remember most hps lights dont penetrate deep enough into the canopy so if you grow a big plant you'll have big buds on top and fluffy crap on the bottom. hence the sog/scrog methods designed to eliminate most of that and make the most use of your space/light




cloning can be done "on the cheap". you dont need a machine. you COULD use one. but its not needed.

i just got my very first clone setup. all i bought was a cloning tray and dome...rockwool cubes and cloning solution. the tray and dome were about $5 total the cubes were cheap (came in a 45 or 50 pack) the solution is most expensive with most hovering around the $20 range.

i bought all the supplies at htgsupply (.com)

a cloning machine will work too but they are more expensive.



a good way to test out the waters for cheap. whats better is your clone box will be satisfied with a minimal investment in lights. either a 2ft t5 bulb or a cfl or two.


you can experiment with cloning by simply taking a cutting off a plant in veg...dipping it in the cloning solution...putting it in the rockwool cube...placing it in the dome and keeping the humidity at 100% and the temps 75-80. keeping it humid in there isnt hard with a few squirts from a waterbottle or placing small amounts of water in the cracks of the trays.

once you see roots coming out of the bottom of the rockwool cube its ready for transplant into soil (rockwool cube & all).

all clones are as old as the plants you took the clone from...so if you veg a plant for 30 days and take a clone...the clone is just as old.

the benefit to this in SOG is you can take a clone (6 inches tall for example) and once it roots you can put it in soil and switch to 12/12 and it will flower immediately. if you try 12/12 from seed the plant wont begin to produce pistils for about 2 wks since from seed a plant isnt mature enough right away to produce flowers...by using clones you can flower short plants. when you flower the plants at such a short height it will mainly produce just a main cola with maybe 1 or 2 side branches.

by doing that you can pack the plants in to where all the pots are touching each other and you should have minimal interference from neighboring plants. this way your canopy stays short and its full of main colas so your yield per sq ft will jump dramatically.



im currently in the process of doing a similar grow.

i have a 150w hps for flowering (separate room than my vegging plants) in which i intend to do a SOG grow.
i have a 2ft 4 bulb t5 system for vegging. with it i intend to veg a plant in a 3 gal container for about 6wks. then i will take cutting and root those clones in my clone box. during the time the cuttings are in the clone box they will occupy the 2ft 4bulb t5 while another seed is being germinated to take the place of it once the clones are rooted and ready for flower.

thats how my system is working. its my first go around with this new setup so ill see how it goes but i have tons of experience flowering with 2 600s.

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i didnt know you could use the tray and dome set up for clones now that i know that i might give it a shot i was also thinking of trying the LST on my batch of bag seeds i did some reading and it seems the easiest of the 3 then ill have more room and get a hang of the watering and nutrients

sense you guys are so helpful with this maybe you could help me with my soil?

im split between FFOF and RO iv herd of FFOF being to hot and to thick and herd RO not having enough nutrients so i was wodnering if you guys had any exp with the 2 and if so which would you prefer? maybe i could mix the 2 tog get the best of both??

closetatticgrower said:

im growin in a closet that has a angled roof so one wall is 77in high and the other 55in high its also 33in wide and about 55in deep

im gunna be using a 600watt cool tube hid with a 6in inline fan so im sure i can get it pretty close to the plants so i was thinking 50in would be the tallest plants i could grow

so are there any good strains for that hight i am a noob grower so id need a tuff plant with decent yeild plz

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Dinafem has lots of good strains like Power Kush, Original Amnesia.
Cannacopia has good deals fro the money too

So you guys recommending LST, on your VERY FIRST GROW EVER you did LST?

I would NEVER recommend a first time grow to train. In fact, I recommend a first time grower to not even top. Let that first grow go natural so you can actually see, and learn, the differences.

Juan0288 said:

U cld go w.nordle which is afghan/skunk #1 or shit which is skunk #1, both from mr.nice. Good price n it shldnt get much easier than them to grow. N both shld yield well for u n have short bloom time (7-9wks). I've nvr grown either personally but I've grown skunk #1 hybrids n it dnt get much easier than that

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that Shit from mr. nice aint bad at all I'm 3-4 weeks in flower and not only are they pretty frosty but they smell nice I got 2 out of 6 that almost smell like juicy fruit bubble gum and the others are all smelling good.
I got some nordle seeds but I haven't poped them yet. if your gonna go with mr. nice this is the place https://www.mrnice.nl/auctions/index.php I paid around $25 for the shit I got 22 seeds and every strain I've ordered from them has been about half off the seed bank prices for mr. nice strains. they say its only 15 seeds per pack but the least I've gotten was 20 most was 24 (medicine man)