Need Help designing 10x10 4000 watt grow room.

So i need help designing a new room. I was thinking about using a 10x10 ft space in a 12x14 ft room. im not really sure if im going to use a air cooled setup though. Because i will be using a sealed room.
im going to be getting a chillking 2hp or a 24btu ac.
Question: Do you think i will need air cooled hoods with a chillking 2hp?

Removing heat directly from the hoods helps remove a lot of excess heat. How will you be exhausting the air?

What were you considering for your overall grow system?

I recently got back into the game and am using a 600w HID in a air-cooled hood. I will never go back to open style refelctors, even if i had a/c and heat was not an issue. Lumens dissipate fast, and with my 600w and air-cooled hood I can keep my light so close to the canopy the plants occasionally touch the glass and are still happy as shit. I keep my light at 6" or less from the canopy.

a 2hp chiller probably won't be enough for 4,000w and cooling. depends on the ambient temps but that's gonna be cutting it really close. you'd be better off getting the ac or a 3hp self contained. i've used chillers for a while and i had a 2hp here at my house that i just upgraded to the 3hp self contained. i also have a 12hp at another property. they are great but you better know what you are getting yourself into.

12hp is a beast! Lol listen to scoob he knows his shit is building rooms!

CocaLeaf said:

Removing heat directly from the hoods helps remove a lot of excess heat. How will you be exhausting the air?

What were you considering for your overall grow system?

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not exhausting any air. Im gonna make it a sealed room. Dehumidifer, temperature control, co2.

ScoobyDoobyDoo said:

a 2hp chiller probably won't be enough for 4,000w and cooling. depends on the ambient temps but that's gonna be cutting it really close. you'd be better off getting the ac or a 3hp self contained. i've used chillers for a while and i had a 2hp here at my house that i just upgraded to the 3hp self contained. i also have a 12hp at another property. they are great but you better know what you are getting yourself into.

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Hey sccob, why wouldnt a 2hp chillking do thw job? My room will require 20,000btus of cooling( (4) 1000 watt, dehumidifier. the chillking provides around 28,000btu. Its the industry's best chiller.

MajoR_TokE said:

I recently got back into the game and am using a 600w HID in a air-cooled hood. I will never go back to open style refelctors, even if i had a/c and heat was not an issue. Lumens dissipate fast, and with my 600w and air-cooled hood I can keep my light so close to the canopy the plants occasionally touch the glass and are still happy as shit. I keep my light at 6" or less from the canopy.

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I use a 1000 watt with no glass and i get around 13-14 inches from hood with no problem.

Da Almighty Jew said:

Hey sccob, why wouldnt a 2hp chillking do thw job? My room will require 20,000btus of cooling( (4) 1000 watt, dehumidifier. the chillking provides around 28,000btu. Its the industry's best chiller.

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how are you running the chiller? with an air handler or using heat exchangers? you just said you are going bare bulb (no glass) in your hoods. does that mean you are using air cooled hoods but taking the glass out? bad idea if so. a lot will depend on how exactly you are removing the heat from the room and your equipment.

you don't have to sell me on chillking chillers bro. i've owned 3 of them in the last few years. right now i have 2 of their units and i did have their 2hp "window" unit for a long time. i've been doing water cooled grow rooms for almost 5 years now. including water cooled reservoir coils, co2 generators, ballasts compartments, air handlers, and even water cooled dehumidifiers. the unit may be rated for 28,000btu from the factory but that will drop slowly over time. either way, just from experience i can tell you that the only way the 2hp chiller will work is if you are only using it with a 2hp air handler and have no other equipment hooked up to it; or you arejust using it with heat exchangers on every hood. even then you might still need a small ac.

also, don't get the 50 gallon reservoir. the smaller your reservoir the better. if you look at their self contained units you'll see that they all have small reservoirs. my 3hp unit has a 20 gallon reservoir and my 12hp unit has dual reservoirs. one is 30 gallons and the other is 20 gallons. you need dual reservoirs when you are running water cooled air handlers and other water cooled equipment that's on the manifold line.

Why add the cost of an air handler? Why not run a mini split or window AC unit?

Sencha said:

Why add the cost of an air handler? Why not run a mini split or window AC unit?

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cause it's a water cooled air handler. much more efficient than an ac (lower electricity bill) and they are plug and play. just connect hoses to the unit from the chiller and you are ready to go after you hook up a thermostat and humidistat. plus, water cooled air handlers can dehumidify when they are not cooling. a/c units can't do the same. if you are using chillers then the cost is significantly higher but they are much more efficient and allow you to control site temps on equipment for a more stable room temp.

$2000 for a chill king, $500 for an air handler.

Air cooled hoods and I bet he can cool the room with a 18000 btu window unit.

I guess I just don't get it, but I'll leave the details to the pros.

Sencha said:

$2000 for a chill king, $500 for an air handler.

Air cooled hoods and I bet he can cool the room with a 18000 btu window unit.

I guess I just don't get it, but I'll leave the details to the pros.

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more like $2500 for the chiller and $2200 for the air handler. chillers are about 40% more efficient than ac units. plus, if you want a truely sealed room you really can't exhaust your hoods out of the room. chillers allow you to control the heat produced by almost every piece of equipment that might be in your grow room. they allow you to run sealed rooms. they don't require technicians to hook them up. they will save you ton on your electricity bill. pony up now to save later.

Wait a minute. A good air cooled hood and insulated flex limits your air exchange to nearly zero. Cooling the hoods with air, from outside the room, still keeps your room sealed.

Or am I retarded?

Sencha said:

Wait a minute. A good air cooled hood and insulated flex limits your air exchange to nearly zero. Cooling the hoods with air, from outside the room, still keeps your room sealed.

Or am I retarded?

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haha! yes...you are retarded

a truely sealed room has NO in or out vents. it's not only about air exchange but security, visibility, pests, etc... plus, it would be kinda hard to 100% seal a vented hood. especially from air creeping out while the fans are off.

I get that you don't need air cooled hoods when running adequate AC. My hoods seal very well, all duct work is caulked around the in and out. It's a closed loop and not part of the room at all. You can't see my intake or out. I've even done a smoke test. If there are leaks, they are limited.

I'd also think that air creeping out would be less with fans off.

I don't mind being MILDLY retarded. It's a standing motto of mine.

Sencha said:

I get that you don't need air cooled hoods when running adequate AC. My hoods seal very well, all duct work is caulked around the in and out. It's a closed loop and not part of the room at all. You can't see my intake or out. I've even done a smoke test. If there are leaks, they are limited.

I'd also think that air creeping out would be less with fans off.

I don't mind being MILDLY retarded. It's a standing motto of mine.

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yea, but not everyone lives where you live or has the same setup you do. every room, environment, and concerns are different.

Ok, so we almost agree. Now onto wooden basements !

Sencha said:

Ok, so we almost agree. Now onto wooden basements !

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i tried ac for the longets time where i live and when i switched to chillers it cut my electric bill a lot. almost 35% for the grow. plus; where i live having a vented room and fans running and being heard is not an option for several reasons.

wooden basements...you crack me up.

I run my room like sencha. But I'm out in nowheres ville. So dosnt bother me. But if I was close to people and use a sealed room it would be like scooby is saying. Every location has it's advantages. When the time comes for me to dubble the size of my room I will be going water cooled and 100% sealed. Also going to get wind power to drop the cost of my bills. Need to get the house back on track so I can take out a second.