euthanatos93420
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I'm sorry I so put this into the wrong forum. IDK why I thought i wanted to post this here, Maybe someone could move it to the right forum. Although after writing it I'm not really sure where I would put it =/
OK, I'm sure you're all familiar with the 'gateway drug' propaganda. I have a very plausible counter I'd like you all to critique. That marijuana is the 'exit' drug. Anyway, I've very little to base this on than imaginary statistics and personal experience (Given, that I've met quite a few people having been East coast, West Coast, to the north border and south, and Germany. Studied a lot of history just for shits, giggles, and uncovering massive, supernatural, and gold-lusting global conspiracies. Yeah, I'm half a whack job too, but I'm honest about it. =D
So I've known MANY people that defy the 'gateway drug' pattern. Some more than others. Granted MOST people smoke first, many begin with just alcohol. But I knew one chick never touched any of that till like 20 and started doin coke and before too long was an all out California speedballer. Never smoked pot till she got sick and moved to the Midwest to quit all that and did so...but started smokin pot for her appetite problems. She ended up real healthy looking to she went through some bullshit and started using other stuff for a bit again, but she learned her lesson and went back to being a stoner. She went on to be a very good woman who did some amazing things for her community, cleared up an abusive household and took in four children till she died a couple years later in a car accident....of all things. She died a very noble stoner.
I've read other peoples stories on these forums, others, websites, personal encounters, and have seen this pattern emerge: When they'd had enough of 'the life' they just settled down and toked it, amazed they're still alive. I've known a lot of stoners that smoked pot and pot ONLY, they didn't even smoke or drink most cases. I knew one guy said he never did drugs till he was 19, spent a year getting high and then joined the army on a whim. QUit, and served 2 years when he received a premature, honourable discharge for a classified reason. Told me he couldn't say how but that he just dug at the books for the best way to make it happen, word was he said he was gay, which, to be honest is about the best sure-fire way of weaselling out. Something about that never jived with me, but what do I know, they fucked me royal from day one and I took it like a man? Anyway, enough of my personal rants (irrelevant tangents soz this shit was all 'inspired' by 'green faeries' and what not so deal with it). The guy told me, in confidence of course, that he want to go home and do drugs. This was the day after I got stoned for the very first fucking time in my life. So I was all like yeah man....I feel ya DUDE. I asked him if he thought pot was really all that and said 'Hell no'. Apparently he had a thing against smoking like some people have a thing against needles. He had never done marijuana ut had done almost everything else in the fuckin' book in less than a year. Called me months later told me he was trippin' his balls off watching LotR and planned to grow his hair as long as Gandalf's. I congratulated him on the specificity of his long terms goals, which were very important to have. I've not heard from him since.
I've known people to say "I think I want to be 'just a a stoner' again" when dealing with real dope and dope drama. Is it something people 'retire to' when they're sick of playing 'the game'. Their constant pot consumption a token offering to the life they once lived for letting them retire?
Unfortunately, I can't offer much more in the way of these personal anecdotes because they're really too few of them. These guys usually end up in the system. They stay in it nigh forever. If not dope, then some other shit that keeps them on probation. Between that and trying to get work...it's nigh impossible to become 'just a stoner' and the temptation for relief is drawn in the direction of things that are out of your system in 3 days...
My theory is that, given the decriminalization or even legalization of marijuana, the so-called 'war on drugs' would be EFFECTIVE. Effective in almost completely eliminating drug usage. It would also become unprofitable. Profitable endeavour can buy defences for their marketability. The best defence is a good offence. While legalizing/decriminalizing marijuana could potentially solve a lot of social and economical problems (Even racism by a fair margin), their is a massive economical and legal force driving the status quo.
I would purport that legalizing MJ would do a fair margin on it's own to blend cultures (Hey, when you find something you can relate to...). I would also point out that secondary impacts of the economic lever I have discussed would make the hard drug industry LESS PROFITABLE. The 'war on drugs', as long as it exists, will be profitable. I would argue that this would be significantly less profitable since I have also argued that the drug insdustry itself would be less profitable. Many people, on both sides, will be out of work. If the DEA really used it's resources at the time it could collapse every major drug organization, confiscate a good final 'crop', and retire a lot of hard working men & women. Many of whom will work their way into the system easily. That kind of training pays damn well in the private sector. Particularily when the giant Farm Empires jump on the new cash crop and need security for their 3000 some odd acres.
This election has me sick of American Ignorance. Food crisis? Are you fucking kidding me? The government, as it stands, PAYS farmers something like $2b every year NOT to farm corn. If they didn't.....corn would be so cheap no one could afford to produce it. And we eat a SHITLOAD of corn. HFC...the American drug of choice. We export a LOT of corn to Mexico. An amount, coincidentally coming damn close to that projected being 'lost' to the Mexicans that 'send it back home'. Like these rich white guys were shocked when their slaves said 'fuck you' so the set up a socio-economic Lever to make the slave come crawling to them begging. That's History. The drug war has held hands with racism from propaganda and legal matters to financial support from the beginning. This time around not much has changed. They can still lock em up, pay them shit for wages, no benefits, and hell you can keep em off the books too! Often times an industry's on profitable because the labour is so cheap. Agriculture is one that comes very close. The drug war is what set up criminal empires in Mexico. Slavery is, and always has been, part of the human equation. I'm drawn to make a Geek reference here. "Logic would dictate that the needs of the many would outweigh the few, but human culture has defied the notion throughout it's entire existence.' - Spock (Appx. correct me if I'm wrong). Slavery is what the 'drug-war' institution is driven and supported by.
Serfs revolt! Let the revolution begin...
OK, I'm sure you're all familiar with the 'gateway drug' propaganda. I have a very plausible counter I'd like you all to critique. That marijuana is the 'exit' drug. Anyway, I've very little to base this on than imaginary statistics and personal experience (Given, that I've met quite a few people having been East coast, West Coast, to the north border and south, and Germany. Studied a lot of history just for shits, giggles, and uncovering massive, supernatural, and gold-lusting global conspiracies. Yeah, I'm half a whack job too, but I'm honest about it. =D
So I've known MANY people that defy the 'gateway drug' pattern. Some more than others. Granted MOST people smoke first, many begin with just alcohol. But I knew one chick never touched any of that till like 20 and started doin coke and before too long was an all out California speedballer. Never smoked pot till she got sick and moved to the Midwest to quit all that and did so...but started smokin pot for her appetite problems. She ended up real healthy looking to she went through some bullshit and started using other stuff for a bit again, but she learned her lesson and went back to being a stoner. She went on to be a very good woman who did some amazing things for her community, cleared up an abusive household and took in four children till she died a couple years later in a car accident....of all things. She died a very noble stoner.
I've read other peoples stories on these forums, others, websites, personal encounters, and have seen this pattern emerge: When they'd had enough of 'the life' they just settled down and toked it, amazed they're still alive. I've known a lot of stoners that smoked pot and pot ONLY, they didn't even smoke or drink most cases. I knew one guy said he never did drugs till he was 19, spent a year getting high and then joined the army on a whim. QUit, and served 2 years when he received a premature, honourable discharge for a classified reason. Told me he couldn't say how but that he just dug at the books for the best way to make it happen, word was he said he was gay, which, to be honest is about the best sure-fire way of weaselling out. Something about that never jived with me, but what do I know, they fucked me royal from day one and I took it like a man? Anyway, enough of my personal rants (irrelevant tangents soz this shit was all 'inspired' by 'green faeries' and what not so deal with it). The guy told me, in confidence of course, that he want to go home and do drugs. This was the day after I got stoned for the very first fucking time in my life. So I was all like yeah man....I feel ya DUDE. I asked him if he thought pot was really all that and said 'Hell no'. Apparently he had a thing against smoking like some people have a thing against needles. He had never done marijuana ut had done almost everything else in the fuckin' book in less than a year. Called me months later told me he was trippin' his balls off watching LotR and planned to grow his hair as long as Gandalf's. I congratulated him on the specificity of his long terms goals, which were very important to have. I've not heard from him since.
I've known people to say "I think I want to be 'just a a stoner' again" when dealing with real dope and dope drama. Is it something people 'retire to' when they're sick of playing 'the game'. Their constant pot consumption a token offering to the life they once lived for letting them retire?
Unfortunately, I can't offer much more in the way of these personal anecdotes because they're really too few of them. These guys usually end up in the system. They stay in it nigh forever. If not dope, then some other shit that keeps them on probation. Between that and trying to get work...it's nigh impossible to become 'just a stoner' and the temptation for relief is drawn in the direction of things that are out of your system in 3 days...
My theory is that, given the decriminalization or even legalization of marijuana, the so-called 'war on drugs' would be EFFECTIVE. Effective in almost completely eliminating drug usage. It would also become unprofitable. Profitable endeavour can buy defences for their marketability. The best defence is a good offence. While legalizing/decriminalizing marijuana could potentially solve a lot of social and economical problems (Even racism by a fair margin), their is a massive economical and legal force driving the status quo.
I would purport that legalizing MJ would do a fair margin on it's own to blend cultures (Hey, when you find something you can relate to...). I would also point out that secondary impacts of the economic lever I have discussed would make the hard drug industry LESS PROFITABLE. The 'war on drugs', as long as it exists, will be profitable. I would argue that this would be significantly less profitable since I have also argued that the drug insdustry itself would be less profitable. Many people, on both sides, will be out of work. If the DEA really used it's resources at the time it could collapse every major drug organization, confiscate a good final 'crop', and retire a lot of hard working men & women. Many of whom will work their way into the system easily. That kind of training pays damn well in the private sector. Particularily when the giant Farm Empires jump on the new cash crop and need security for their 3000 some odd acres.
This election has me sick of American Ignorance. Food crisis? Are you fucking kidding me? The government, as it stands, PAYS farmers something like $2b every year NOT to farm corn. If they didn't.....corn would be so cheap no one could afford to produce it. And we eat a SHITLOAD of corn. HFC...the American drug of choice. We export a LOT of corn to Mexico. An amount, coincidentally coming damn close to that projected being 'lost' to the Mexicans that 'send it back home'. Like these rich white guys were shocked when their slaves said 'fuck you' so the set up a socio-economic Lever to make the slave come crawling to them begging. That's History. The drug war has held hands with racism from propaganda and legal matters to financial support from the beginning. This time around not much has changed. They can still lock em up, pay them shit for wages, no benefits, and hell you can keep em off the books too! Often times an industry's on profitable because the labour is so cheap. Agriculture is one that comes very close. The drug war is what set up criminal empires in Mexico. Slavery is, and always has been, part of the human equation. I'm drawn to make a Geek reference here. "Logic would dictate that the needs of the many would outweigh the few, but human culture has defied the notion throughout it's entire existence.' - Spock (Appx. correct me if I'm wrong). Slavery is what the 'drug-war' institution is driven and supported by.
Serfs revolt! Let the revolution begin...