My Eventual Perpetual Garden; Round 1: Chronic Haze Clones and Attitude seeds.

Expect more pics, as I was just watering Heidi and looking at the SSCROG in veg compared to the CCOB cages in flower and veg, and am likely going to remove that sscrog and put a cage over her instead. It is a bit off-center and hangs past the edge of the pail. It has already come close to ripping my exhaust vent and the round cages are much more forgiving in that area.

The cages are a lot easier to work with in general and I really think it is the key to minimizing the stretch in flower for a perpetual system. If I can keep the plants at or near the bottom ring of the cage before they go to flower they probably wont end up stretching much beyond the top ring of the cage which should keep them under 2' from the top of the soil to the top of the canopy.

My last plant I harvested from my bagseed run (which is the best smell/taste/potency so far) weighed in at 64grams after a week of curing. There is about 50 grams of tops and good buds and 11 grams of popcorn. It was topped early and flowered when it was very small, in a plain 7qt pot. It turned into an 18" bush. If I can train a 18" - 24" CCOB, using 2 - 3 gallon smart/air pots, I am sure I can quickly surpass 2oz's per plant.

i think you can get passed 2 ozs per plant if done right. my last grow i did 2 lsted plants under 1 six and got 4 ounzes per plant, they stood about 18 inches tall some where around 24 inches wide. these were also done in 3 gal pots, so im sure you can hit your mark. i always hope for a high yiled and expect a low one just so i dont get pissed at the result

Awesome thread, bro!!! Love the detail, very good!!

lbezphil2005 said:

Awesome thread, bro!!! Love the detail, very good!!

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Thx. Things they are a changing, a little bit.

I culled my clones and am going to just work with fem seeds for now. I germ'd a Kannabia: Kannabia Special (KKS) the other day and just got a supposedly good fem seed, from a friend of a friend, but my friend forgot the name and has to get back to me with it (calling her 'MisTree' for now).

I also think I am going to cull this stupid Power Skunk party cup re-veg. In it's place I will be germing 2 of my LSD seeds on the 30th, once this KKS and MisTree seed have been transplanted to starter pots.

rasputin71 said:

Expect more pics, as I was just watering Heidi and looking at the SSCROG in veg compared to the CCOB cages in flower and veg, and am likely going to remove that sscrog and put a cage over her instead. It is a bit off-center and hangs past the edge of the pail. It has already come close to ripping my exhaust vent and the round cages are much more forgiving in that area.

The cages are a lot easier to work with in general and I really think it is the key to minimizing the stretch in flower for a perpetual system. If I can keep the plants at or near the bottom ring of the cage before they go to flower they probably wont end up stretching much beyond the top ring of the cage which should keep them under 2' from the top of the soil to the top of the canopy.......

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I think in the future I will not be cutting 3" off the bottoms of the cage legs so I have more room for watering under the ring.


Day 21 (Jan 21, 2011)

Started out realizing the CH#8 that is 20 days into 12/12 at this point seems to be nitrogen deficient, so I topped her with guano and mixed up a gallon of nutes (barely needed 2/3 of it for the #2 smart pot).









Then I went on to the torture. Here is the off-centered SSCROG (CH#10) I wasn't happy with.











I removed the screen:











Chopped 3" off the cage legs (wish I hadn't), and shoved her on down, trained her, and put her back home.



















Day 22 (Jan 22, 2011) - Yesterday

Here she is the very next morning, looking like she belongs in the CCOB cage.











Seed porn: Kannabia Special.





My 'rain' station. Floor drain, 100w ceramic heater, and 150w hps.

Last grow I didn't do any real flushes during the grow and did very few plain waterings. This time I am going nutes/water/nutes/water, but I am sorta following the riddleme 'make it rain' method. I dont have a PH pen yet so I am just flushing them over the floor drain with plain water equal to the volume of their container. When feeding it usually only takes about 25% of their volume to get run off. I 'rain' with 4 times the amount of a normal watering/feeding and let them drain off real good before they go back into the box.

They seem to wick the water away and the pot will dry out quicker than a normal watering, so they are ready for a feeding sooner than normal. This afghan in her 7 qt diy air-pot (with small 1/2" holes) was surprisingly light today after only 24 hours since being semi-drowned. I expect she will be very dry and ready for nutes tomorrow, after only 48 hours. Once I feed her nutes it will be 3 or 4 days until she is dry enough to get 'rain' again. The 3.5 ga pails take about 50 - 75% longer to get dry/light, than the small pots I have been using in the past.









I am off to the garden now and will take some fresh pics, and try to post them later tonight.

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I am off to the garden now and will take some fresh pics, and try to post them later tonight.

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I will gather up and post some new pics later today. CH#10 that I changed from a SSCROG to a CCOB cage is turning into a monster of a bush.

In other news: I just got a PH Pen and wish I would have got one a lot sooner. My first test of some water that has been in one of my spray bottles shows a PH of 7.9. I haven't got around to testing the PH of my nute juice, yet.

It would appear some of my apparent nutrient deficiencies I experienced on my first grow, and am seeing now again in the flower box, are possibly caused by PH Lockout instead.

rasputin71 said:

I will gather up and post some new pics later today. CH#10 that I changed from a SSCROG to a CCOB cage is turning into a monster of a bush.

In other news: I just got a PH Pen and wish I would have got one a lot sooner. My first test of some water that has been in one of my spray bottles shows a PH of 7.9. I haven't got around to testing the PH of my nute juice, yet.

It would appear some of my apparent nutrient deficiencies I experienced on my first grow, and am seeing now again in the flower box, are possibly caused by PH Lockout instead.

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get that ph in check, im sure its causing something harmfull to be goin on with the plants, also what is CCOB? i have an idea it deals with the tamato cages

mcpurple said:

get that ph in check, im sure its causing something harmfull to be goin on with the plants, also what is CCOB? i have an idea it deals with the tamato cages

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circle crop of bud - top plant above first node (for 2 meristems) and veg until tall enough to wrap half around the larger pot. transplant up to bigger pot on a angle and towards the edge, to make the lst around each side of the cage easier to start. train the plant around the bottom and let veg for a week or 2 so the side branches start acting like tops, and flower. Once you hit flower the side's and top's stretch is minimal compared to if you flowered a 12 or 18" plant and you just guide all the tops around and through the cage. You can still train/tie some of them to the cage so it doesnt become too wide of a bush in the flower box.

This way you can veg a plant 18" tall, train it, get a bunch of tops, and it will probably be less than 2' tall when harvested. The tops of my cages are only 13" above the soil in the 3.5ga pails. I wish I hadn't chopped 3" off the legs of the cages this time.

coined/created by hobbes in his thread - https://www.rollitup.org/newbie-central/360125-new-growers-needed-grow-lab.html

here is the post detailing CCOB - https://www.rollitup.org/newbie-central/360125-new-growers-needed-grow-lab.html#post4545778


All of my current CCOB plants were a bit impromptu, but starting with my wonder woman I just topped, I will be planning to CCOB all of my future veg plants around the cage. The one I changed from SSCROG to CCOB cage is turning into a monster bush and I can't wait to send her to flower in 5 days.

I wish I would have LST/CCOB'd the first chronic I flowered. It is now 24" tall and was barely 8" when flowered 24 days ago.

i think ive seen hobbes thread on this before and he has pics of his plants and a how to in it.
thanks for the info and the links

Day 23 (Jan 23, 2011)

Kannabia: Kannabia Special (KKS)

Poked her head above the root riot plug so I removed the tape covered lid and put the clear lid over her on a 45deg angle so she could have some light and air but still keep some humidity.





Nirvana: Wonder Woman (NWoW)

topped




Day 24 (Jan 24, 2011): Yesterday

Random pics:

I dragged an extension cord around and got out the 150HPS to hang in front of the the flower room door during the day as it is open most of the time anyway.





Chronic Clone #8 [Heidi]: 23 days 12/12 (at time of pics)
Veg'd for 13 days, flowered at 7 - 8 inches tall, now 23"+, #2 smart pot











Afghan [Francine]: 37 days of 12/12 (21 days since pistils)
68 days from germ, veg for 26 days, topped 6 days before flower, 7qt DIY Air-Pot.











KKS showing some green.




I will post some pics from today, later tonight or tomorrow.

man all the plants look great, the topped seedling in the 2nd pic is a lil small for a topping but when you top like that it does turn out pretty well, i did it once on accident on my first grow and it ended up with 2 main colas although it grew slow for about a week

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man all the plants look great, the topped seedling in the 2nd pic is a lil small for a topping but when you top like that it does turn out pretty well, i did it once on accident on my first grow and it ended up with 2 main colas although it grew slow for about a week

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Yes, I should have waited until it had a couple more nodes but it has 35 - 45 days more of veg/training ahead of it before it will get moved to flower. Hopefully that is enough time to grow 2 main colas about 12 or 15" tall. It was just to it's 3rd set of nodes when I topped it (and I know better from my first grow). I will let the PW and future seeds get up to a solid 4 or 5 nodes before topping them for 2 main colas to CCOB.

The 2 big chronics get moved to flower on Jan 30th and Feb 10th. The Afghan and CH#8 clone won't be ready for darkness/harvest until the first week of March. When I start moving the current babies/seedlings into flower I am planning to switch from 1 plant every 10 day cycle to 1 plant every 12 days to give them more time to veg from seed. I just cracked 2 seeds the other day and think I will crack 2 again on the 30th, to help give them more veg time in the future cycles. I would like to give them at least 60 days (or more) from germ before they flower to help maximize yield.

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I will post some pics from today, later tonight or tomorrow.

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Random pics from the 25th:

CH#10 loving the CCOB since moving from the SSCROG:


CH#5 in veg got some more training:


KKS got moved to a #1 smart pot:





I decided to throw up my extra 150hps in the door of the flower box during the day:

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The 2 big chronics get moved to flower on Jan 30th and Feb 10th. ....

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I was afraid what another 3 days of veg would do considering how big all of these new tops were already. I moved her from veg to flower yesterday for her 15/12 transition day.

Veg box yesterday morning:





CH#10 transitioned to the front of the flower box:


A rapidly emptying veg box:

the t5 lamp or i think t5 lamp over the small plants should be closer shouldnt it?

great post.

mcpurple said:

the t5 lamp or i think t5 lamp over the small plants should be closer shouldnt it?

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Perhaps, I am just trying to find a good height I can use where I dont have to move them much/often and I can keep them directly on the heat mats. The seedlings under the T5 get a lot of indirect light from the MH as well. Last time I checked they were getting ~500 lumens at soil level under the T5 and more like 1,000 lumens for the small ones in the center under the left edge of the MH. I will double check the lumens this morning.

My Wembley is the only seedling that got a little bit stretchy so far, but I didnt bury it nearly enough when first transplanting. The stretch will be fixed when I top her.

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Thats a cool little light chart

i just try to get as much light possible to the plant in all stages of life, if you settle with minimum then you might just get minimum results. a t5 should be able to be within 5 inches of the tops. as long as theri getting enough light though it should be fine

I did decide to lower my lights as much as I could and raise up the babies under the T5's, as well as the 2 small ones vegging on the edge of the MH. I put a plastic coke 2-liter rack under each heating pad. I will post some pics later. The hood for the MH is within a couple inches of the cage in my 3.5 ga tub.

The mystery seed is supposedly a 'kush' fem seed (which could mean a number of things), so hopefully it will be indica dom. and short-flowering. It popped up enough this morning for me to remove the dark cover. Once I see some green leaves it will go into a #1 smart pot and I will probably soak a LSD seed.

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I did decide to lower my lights as much as I could and raise up the babies under the T5's, as well as the 2 small ones vegging on the edge of the MH. I put a plastic coke 2-liter rack under each heating pad. I will post some pics later. The hood for the MH is within a couple inches of the cage in my 3.5 ga tub.

The mystery seed is supposedly a 'kush' fem seed (which could mean a number of things), so hopefully it will be indica dom. and short-flowering. It popped up enough this morning for me to remove the dark cover. Once I see some green leaves it will go into a #1 smart pot and I will probably soak a LSD seed.

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sorry man, i didnt mean for it to sound like i was telling you what to do, i was just trying to help out a fellow grower( although your plants are doing great) i just thought id put my 2 cents in.

No worries, I kept it closer in the past for my first bagseed grow by picking up the smaller ones. I knew I should probably be doing it still, but was being a bit lazy and trying to see what I could get away with.